From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 21:54:15 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:54:15 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Netscape 4.73 under Solaris 2.6... problems with display... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BFCB53.24E0A750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am having an unusual problem with Netscape (4.73 full-load) under = Solaris 2.6, it installed fine, seems to run OK, but when I try and go down a long = page, much of the text is repeated/messed-up. Repeated in this case means that lines will be duplicated, making it = impossible to read the web page beyond the first screen full... Am I tempting the fates by going with the latest release of = Communicator (4.73) for Solaris? Thanks, Ken BTW - this is on a SPARCbook, but I don't think this problem is unique = to the laptop... ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BFCB53.24E0A750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
    I am having an = unusual problem=20 with Netscape (4.73 full-load) under Solaris 2.6,
it installed fine, seems to run OK, but = when I try=20 and go down a long page, much of
the text is = repeated/messed-up.
 
    Repeated in this = case means that=20 lines will be duplicated, making it impossible to
read the web page beyond the first = screen=20 full...
 
    Am I tempting the = fates by going=20 with the latest release of Communicator (4.73)
for Solaris?
 
Thanks,
 
Ken
 
BTW - this is on a SPARCbook, but I = don't think=20 this problem is unique to the laptop...
------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BFCB53.24E0A750-- From apotter at icsa.net Mon May 1 10:08:52 2000 From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: mrbill at mrbill.net said: > Bill (will trade left big toe for 4mb 30pin SIMMs so I can fire up > this 670...) Don't bother with the toecutters..... Call Chris Patterson at mce.com. Last time I checked, he had sun PN'd 4meggers for $5 each, and will probably deal for 32 at a time.... AL From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 1 12:33:09 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:33:09 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: Bill, I assume you are talking about this item: http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=28757 Their Interface converter box ($75), correct? That looks like a great item - it would allow me to put a Sun workstation on my cheap-o KVM switch ( < $150 for a 4x switch *with* 4 sets of cables included!)... Please post your results on the maillist, I for one am very interested... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > I *FINALLY* got one of the "Sible" PS/2 interface converter boxes > ordered from Sun last night; availability finally changed from "4 weeks" > to "ships next day". From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 1 13:11:29 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:11:29 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:33:09PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Bill, > I assume you are talking about this item: > http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=28757 > Their Interface converter box ($75), correct? That looks like a great > item - it would allow me to put a Sun workstation on my cheap-o KVM > switch ( < $150 for a 4x switch *with* 4 sets of cables included!)... > Please post your results on the maillist, I for one am very interested... > Thanks, > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net Yep. I've had one of these before; they work great. It allows you to have a PS/2 keyboard and mouse, OR a ps/2 keyboard and mouse AND a Sun mouse, plugged in all at the same time. I used mine before with a Northgate Omnikey keyboard and a Logitech Trackman Marble trackball. I beleive they're actually made by Kinesis, altho Kinesis wants $125, and its just one WITHOUT hte Sun logo. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From druaga at pmail.net Mon May 1 14:07:05 2000 From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:07:05 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: Hmm...actually Belkin has adapters for Sun for their KVM boxes but this would work just as well. And this one is much cheaper than the Belkin adapter. (http://www.cdw.com/shop/search/results.asp?key=belkin+sun+adapter) A fact I find highly acceptable. :-) I'll have to see if I can't get one in here to test. Mike Hebel -----Original Message----- From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Ken Hansen Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:33 To: rescue at sunhelp.org Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Bill, I assume you are talking about this item: http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=28757 Their Interface converter box ($75), correct? That looks like a great item - it would allow me to put a Sun workstation on my cheap-o KVM switch ( < $150 for a 4x switch *with* 4 sets of cables included!)... Please post your results on the maillist, I for one am very interested... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > I *FINALLY* got one of the "Sible" PS/2 interface converter boxes > ordered from Sun last night; availability finally changed from "4 weeks" > to "ships next day". _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 1 14:14:47 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:14:47 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Hansen [mailto:n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net] > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:33 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles > > > Bill, > I assume you are talking about this item: > > http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=28757 > > Their Interface converter box ($75), correct? That looks like a great > item - it would allow me to put a Sun workstation on my cheap-o KVM > switch ( < $150 for a 4x switch *with* 4 sets of cables included!)... Where are you getting a nice KVM switch for that price? Is it a real one, or just an analog switchbox? Greg From dbarile at interserv.com Mon May 1 16:44:15 2000 From: dbarile at interserv.com (Darryl Barile) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:44:15 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: Well after spending several hours (granted they are newbie hours) on the Sparc 1 I am still no closer to any solutions. I've changed the memory out, tried several different boot configs and still can't seem to get this thing up and running. I'm beginning to wonder if there a a problem with the drive or the SunOS install or perhaps a termination problem. Any comments or criticisms would be welcome. Anything but "Go back to PC's". Darryl From carsten.bartels at gmx.de Mon May 1 16:43:52 2000 From: carsten.bartels at gmx.de (Carsten Bartels) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:43:52 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Re: IDPROM problem with OPUStation PM 5000 Message-ID: > Don't worry about the original values so much. The HOSTID FAQ will > give you some pointers - but it couldn't hurt to seek out someone > with a working OPUStation and have them send you the correct HOSTID. > As far as the ethernet address goes, you can use just about anything > you want, see the NVRAM HOSTID FAQ for specific guidlines. Once you > have all the info, follow the step-by-step instructions and you'll be > ready to go. You might want to experiment with the dead NVRAM just > to be sure you get things right before plugging in the new one - but > it's really difficult to foul up. I've read the HOSTID FAQ. It describes how to reprogramm the NVRAM. I've tryed everything to get into the Command-Mode of the BIOS but it doesn't work. The system stops completely. No STOP-A or something else works. I also put the NVRAM from my working SS2 into the OPUStation. The OPUS displayed the right values (HOSTID, SERIAL No., Ethernet Address) i know from the SS2, but the IDPROM error messages appears also. I don't know what to do. Is the system dead? BTW: The board of the OPUSstation PM 5000 looks very similar to the SS2 board. The OPUSstation is equipped with a Weitek SPARC CPU @ 25MHz. -- Mit freundlichem Gruss Carsten Bartels ___________________________________________ http://home.arcor-online.de/carsten.bartels From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 1 21:39:19 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:39:19 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or Quicktime would also work) format? I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on the SunHELP historical-product archives.... Thanks. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 2 05:43:16 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 06:43:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: Just to avoid possible legal issues, you do have the right to display this, don't you? Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video > from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or > Quicktime would also work) format? > > I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product > announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on > the SunHELP historical-product archives.... > > Thanks. > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From paipai at tin.it Tue May 2 08:25:50 2000 From: paipai at tin.it (Paolo Di Francesco) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:25:50 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: > Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video > from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or > Quicktime would also work) format? > I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product > announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on > the SunHELP historical-product archives.... I can, but I am in Italy. Maybe too far? If you don't have any other voluteer, well contact me :-) -- Ciao Ciao _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ From macmanjim at powerpcpro.com Tue May 2 08:38:11 2000 From: macmanjim at powerpcpro.com (powerpcpro) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: yes. I have a G4 with an Aurora Fuse capture card. > From: "Paolo Di Francesco" > Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:25:50 +0100 > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? > >> Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video >> from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or >> Quicktime would also work) format? > >> I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product >> announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on >> the SunHELP historical-product archives.... > > > I can, but I am in Italy. Maybe too far? > > If you don't have any other voluteer, well contact me :-) > > > > -- > > Ciao Ciao > > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From druaga at pmail.net Tue May 2 08:16:37 2000 From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:16:37 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: How long is it exactly? I've got an Indy with Irix 5.3 (haven't upgraded it yet) but I'm not sure if I have the drive space. If it's not that long I can probably convert it and burn it on a CD. -----Original Message----- From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Bradford Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 21:39 To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org Cc: sunhelp at sunhelp.org; rescue at sunhelp.org; workstations at sunhelp.org Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or Quicktime would also work) format? I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on the SunHELP historical-product archives.... Thanks. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 08:33:13 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:33:13 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 06:43:16AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Just to avoid possible legal issues, you do have the right to display > this, don't you? > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net Going to clear it through my Sun contact before I post it. Of course. 8-) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kurt at csh.rit.edu Tue May 2 09:45:00 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: I'm looking at buying an IDE drive to replace a small 4 Gig drive in an Ultra 5 (if it makes a difference, the Ultra 5 is a 270Mhz, one of the first ones). Are there any issues with what Solaris will support? Can I grab a nice IBM drive? Any size? Will me running 2.6 make a difference? thanks for any help you guys can give me on this one... --Kurt From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 2 10:12:02 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: There should not be any issues. I put a WD in my Ultra 10, and had no issues. YMMV Nick On Tue, 2 May 2000, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > > I'm looking at buying an IDE drive to replace a small 4 Gig drive > in an Ultra 5 (if it makes a difference, the Ultra 5 is a 270Mhz, > one of the first ones). > > Are there any issues with what Solaris will support? Can I grab > a nice IBM drive? Any size? Will me running 2.6 make a difference? > > thanks for any help you guys can give me on this one... > > --Kurt > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 10:20:35 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:20:35 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:45:00AM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > I'm looking at buying an IDE drive to replace a small 4 Gig drive > in an Ultra 5 (if it makes a difference, the Ultra 5 is a 270Mhz, > one of the first ones). > Are there any issues with what Solaris will support? Can I grab > a nice IBM drive? Any size? Will me running 2.6 make a difference? > thanks for any help you guys can give me on this one... > --Kurt I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kurt at csh.rit.edu Tue May 2 10:46:01 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you > can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night > in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. > > Bill I wish... it's actually for a work machine, so I doubt they'll spring for the card. And the performance isn't that big a deal on this machine, but the space IS. So, no issues with slapping a 20 or 30 gig IDE drive in, eh? I thought I had remembered there being issues with drives larger than like 8 gig originally. --Kurt From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 2 11:45:16 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:45:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: Bill, Please a source (and price) for the card? I am half-way to buying the Educational Ultra 5 we discussed a few days ago... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:45:00AM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > > I'm looking at buying an IDE drive to replace a small 4 Gig drive > > in an Ultra 5 (if it makes a difference, the Ultra 5 is a 270Mhz, > > one of the first ones). > > Are there any issues with what Solaris will support? Can I grab > > a nice IBM drive? Any size? Will me running 2.6 make a difference? > > thanks for any help you guys can give me on this one... > > --Kurt > > I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you > can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night > in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 2 12:32:32 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: I noticed that bill got a SCSI card to work in his U10. This brings to mind an experiment I tried with my U5 **here's the specs** : Ultra 5 270MHz Ultra IIi 256MB RAM 4.3GB Seagate & 2.5GB WD 24X Goldstar CDROM running Solaris 8 Anyway I slaped a Adaptec 2940u SCSI controler in there with a quantum 9GB HardDisk restarted the box and no magic. What gives? Is adaptec not compatible with the U5? I even broke down and reset the eeprom to factory defaults and it still didn't find the card or the HardDisk. The plan behind this test was to see if the card worked and if it did I plan to purchase an external 4mm dat drive to preform routine backups. Also I noticed that that card is for sale on pricewatch for about 50 dollars inc. shipping! should I go for it and abandon the adaptec? Dan ----------------- Systems / WAN Admin E-Commerce Support Centers Inc. 1650A Gum Branch Rd. Jacksonville NC 28540 www.e-comsupport.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 12:34:16 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:34:16 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 11:46:01AM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > I wish... it's actually for a work machine, so I doubt they'll spring for > the card. And the performance isn't that big a deal on this machine, but > the space IS. So, no issues with slapping a 20 or 30 gig IDE drive in, eh? > I thought I had remembered there being issues with drives larger than like > 8 gig originally. > --Kurt As long as you've got the latest OpenBoot PROM upgrade (I think its 3.25), a bigger drive shouldnt be a problem. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 12:35:31 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:35:31 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 12:45:16PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Bill, > Please a source (and price) for the card? I am half-way to buying > the Educational Ultra 5 we discussed a few days ago... > Thanks, > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net I got mine secondhand, but Centrix International (www.centrix-intl.com) had them for around $70 a few weeks ago. BTW: *dont* get the Symbios 8725-based card they've currently got for $39 - it will NOT work in an U5/10; I tried. 8-( Bill > Bill Bradford wrote: > > I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you > > can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night > > in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. > > Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From druaga at pmail.net Tue May 2 13:01:18 2000 From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:01:18 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: [SNIP] >>Anyway I slaped a Adaptec 2940u SCSI controler in there with a quantum 9GB >>HardDisk restarted the box and no magic. What gives? Is adaptec not >>compatible with the U5? I even broke down and reset the eeprom to factory >>defaults and it still didn't find the card or the HardDisk. Adaptec cards don't work unless they're what's called the Open Firmware or OW version. I have one here that was in an Ultra 10. It seemed to work ok as far as drives were concerned but would not work properly for other things such as scanners. YMMV. Sincerely, Mike Hebel From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue May 2 13:03:42 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:03:42 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Debow Southwick [mailto:southwick at gibralter.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:33 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 > > I noticed that bill got a SCSI card to work in his U10. This brings to > mind an experiment I tried with my U5 **here's the specs** : > > Ultra 5 > 270MHz Ultra IIi > 256MB RAM > 4.3GB Seagate & 2.5GB WD > 24X Goldstar CDROM > running Solaris 8 > > Anyway I slaped a Adaptec 2940u SCSI controler in there with This question gets asked a LOT on these lists, NO that card won't work. The only adaptec cards that do work are the /OF models, and those do not have 64-bit drivers. Get that nice card that everbody else is using, and put the adaptec back in a PeeCee. Greg From druaga at pmail.net Tue May 2 13:03:44 2000 From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:03:44 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Oops! - SCSI on Ultra 5 Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFB436.D86C67C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry! The Adaptec card is the 2940 OF not OW. 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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFB436.D86C67C0-- From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 2 13:22:11 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: Alrighty then sorry to waste the bandwidth on this. As I stated the symbios card is for around 50 dollars. bill mentioned a compatiblity issue with those. here is the specs on the one I'm going to buy: SYM 8251S Ultra Wide SCSI 20Mbps, 32bit PCI, Original Symbios, Sun, Linux, NT, win98, Dos Symbios 53C825 Chipset BusMaster 50 & 68 pin Wide Work with all OS "Linux included" Is this the one to avoid? Dan ----------------- dsouthwick at e-comsupprt.com Systems / WAN Admin E-Commerce Support Centers Inc. 1650A Gum Branch Rd. Jacksonville NC 28540 (910) 455-6446 x3035 www.e-comsupport.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor On Tue, 2 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel Debow Southwick [mailto:southwick at gibralter.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:33 AM > > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > > Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 > > > > I noticed that bill got a SCSI card to work in his U10. This brings to > > mind an experiment I tried with my U5 **here's the specs** : > > > > Ultra 5 > > 270MHz Ultra IIi > > 256MB RAM > > 4.3GB Seagate & 2.5GB WD > > 24X Goldstar CDROM > > running Solaris 8 > > > > Anyway I slaped a Adaptec 2940u SCSI controler in there with > > This question gets asked a LOT on these lists, NO that card won't work. The > only adaptec cards that do work are the /OF models, and those do not have > 64-bit drivers. Get that nice card that everbody else is using, and put the > adaptec back in a PeeCee. > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 13:42:05 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:42:05 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 02:22:11PM -0400, Daniel Debow Southwick wrote: > Alrighty then sorry to waste the bandwidth on this. As I stated the > symbios card is for around 50 dollars. bill mentioned a compatiblity issue > with those. here is the specs on the one I'm going to buy: > SYM 8251S Ultra Wide SCSI > 20Mbps, 32bit PCI, > Original Symbios, Sun, Linux, NT, win98, Dos > Symbios 53C825 Chipset > BusMaster > 50 & 68 pin Wide > Work with all OS "Linux included" > Is this the one to avoid? > Dan YES, avoid that one; I have one sitting in my desk now because it wont work with the U5/10. The ONLY one that works with the U5/U10 (that I know of so far) is the Symbios 8751sp (NOT the 8251S). If you install the 8251S in a U5/U10, you'll be able to do "probe-scsi-all" from OpenBoot, but the glm0 will not attach or work with the card; its simply not compatible with Solaris/SPARC. Works under Solaris x86 just fine, but thats a different matter. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 2 13:56:32 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: Ok. I guess I'll build a ( shudder ) x86 unix box with that ( shudders again ) adaptec card and do back ups over the network. Thanks for all the great help. Dan ----------------- dsouthwick at e-comsupprt.com Systems / WAN Admin E-Commerce Support Centers Inc. 1650A Gum Branch Rd. Jacksonville NC 28540 (910) 455-6446 x3035 www.e-comsupport.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor On Tue, 2 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 02:22:11PM -0400, Daniel Debow Southwick wrote: > > Alrighty then sorry to waste the bandwidth on this. As I stated the > > symbios card is for around 50 dollars. bill mentioned a compatiblity issue > > with those. here is the specs on the one I'm going to buy: > > SYM 8251S Ultra Wide SCSI > > 20Mbps, 32bit PCI, > > Original Symbios, Sun, Linux, NT, win98, Dos > > Symbios 53C825 Chipset > > BusMaster > > 50 & 68 pin Wide > > Work with all OS "Linux included" > > Is this the one to avoid? > > Dan > > YES, avoid that one; I have one sitting in my desk now because it wont > work with the U5/10. The ONLY one that works with the U5/U10 (that I > know of so far) is the Symbios 8751sp (NOT the 8251S). > > If you install the 8251S in a U5/U10, you'll be able to do "probe-scsi-all" > from OpenBoot, but the glm0 will not attach or work with the card; its > simply not compatible with Solaris/SPARC. Works under Solaris x86 just > fine, but thats a different matter. > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 2 17:59:18 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:59:18 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI cards for Ultra5/10 workstations... Message-ID: I can't believe this thread (sorry everyone), but here is my best guess for a commonly available SCSI card for the Ultra workstations: Tekram DC-390F: Tekram DC-390F, Ultra Wide SCSI, Symbios 53c875 chipset, 32-bit PCI PnP, busmastering transfer protocol, up to 15 targets, IDC 50(M) & Mini DB68(F) internal connectors, Mini DB68(F) pin external connector, retail kit includes: 3-position Mini DB68(M) PVC insulated flat ribbon cable, 3-position IDC 50(F) PVC insulated flat ribbon cable, manuals and driver diskettes, 5-year warranty. (Taken from www.hypermicro.com - these cards apppear to be quite common) Per the Ultra5 Summary site mentioned earlier in the "uber" thread, the Symbios 53c875 cards should work. I want this card to work - for $75 + $8 2nd day shipping I would be *very* happy if this worked - any responses? The Ultra5 Summary site is at: http://www.grina.com/ultra5.html if you are curious. Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 12:45:16PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > > Bill, > > Please a source (and price) for the card? I am half-way to buying > > the Educational Ultra 5 we discussed a few days ago... > > Thanks, > > Ken > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > I got mine secondhand, but Centrix International (www.centrix-intl.com) had > them for around $70 a few weeks ago. BTW: *dont* get the Symbios 8725-based > card they've currently got for $39 - it will NOT work in an U5/10; I tried. > 8-( > > Bill > > > Bill Bradford wrote: > > > I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you > > > can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night > > > in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. > > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 2 18:06:56 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:06:56 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: My KVM is not an "analog" unit - it has some intelligence built-in, it switches based on key "chords" (ctrl-alt-shift, then [1-4] to choose port). It has scan and roll-over functions as well. It is from a company called IOGear, model G-CS14. I am quite happy with it for non- demanding applications (I have 2 PCs and a Laptop docking station on my desk, cable runs under 2 meters. All screens run at 1024x768 at 70+ Hz refresh, and I never have a problem... Many PC catalog outlets carry this part, they also make a 2 port for just over $100, and a PC/Mac package (2 port with a Mac adapter) for $149. You can also buy it from www.iogear.com IIRC. (I am not sure if you can cascade these units or not...) HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Gregory Leblanc wrote: > Where are you getting a nice KVM switch for that price? Is it a real one, > or just an analog switchbox? > Greg From james at foonly.com Tue May 2 18:28:02 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI cards for Ultra5/10 workstations... Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > I can't believe this thread (sorry everyone), but here is my best guess for a > commonly available SCSI card for the Ultra workstations: > > Tekram DC-390F: No, check the newsgroups. This is a particular card that is guaranteed not to work as it diverges from the Symbios reference design. The Diamond dual-UW cards evidently do work, FYI. -James From borisch.4 at osu.edu Tue May 2 22:17:06 2000 From: borisch.4 at osu.edu (Jeff Borisch) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:17:06 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: I hope this is more or less on topic. I am very interested in learing how to identify if a monitor that has a degraded picture is worth working on and trying to fix. This especially true with the fixed frequency stuff that can be hard to come by or workstations that are hard to get working with your garden variety svga screen. I have a NeXT meagpixel monitor that is exceptionally dim. For obvious reasons I want to get this working to play with its accompanying Cube. With the hood off I can see access holes to some pots. There are labels such as focus, horz cent, and the like. These are pretty obvious what they do. There is one called white point which I tweaked a bit and it made the picture a bit brighter. I was afraid to go further because of what iv'e heard about generating x-rays. For example, there is a pot labelled cutoff... cutoff what?! Regarding replacing caps and such, is there a good source of information regarding testing circuits and the simpler components like capacitors and transistors. I know enough how not to get myself killed. Breaking equipment is another story. best regards, jeffrey >The problem with these is that the monitor was on as long as the workstation >was on, so they've degraded with time. You can fix them by replacing caps >and other components, but taking them apart is a bitch. You had to run with >external disk to be standalone, but lots of folks either ran them diskless, >or as X-terminals. You can put either MB in either chassis, so if you have >an SLC with a good monitor, and an ELC with a crappy one, you can put the >ELC MB in the SLC and get a decent machine. > >Steve > From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Wed May 3 01:28:54 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:28:54 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] struggling opustation Message-ID: > I also put the NVRAM from my working SS2 into the OPUStation. The OPUS > displayed the right values (HOSTID, SERIAL No., Ethernet Address) i > know from the SS2, but the IDPROM error messages appears also. > > I don't know what to do. Is the system dead? > > BTW: The board of the OPUSstation PM 5000 looks very similar to the SS2 > board. The OPUSstation is equipped with a Weitek SPARC CPU @ 25MHz. > I don't know that it's dead yet. What were those errors again? Let's give this another go... Kurt From ab at infra.de Wed May 3 03:44:28 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:44:28 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: Hi, ...on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 11:17:06PM -0400, Jeff Borisch wrote: > I have a NeXT meagpixel monitor that is exceptionally dim. For obvious > reasons I want to get this working to play with its accompanying Cube. This is covered in the NeXT FAQ, unfortunately... http://www.peanuts.org/faq-serve/cache/192.html > With the hood off I can see access holes to some pots. There are labels > such as focus, horz cent, and the like. These are pretty obvious what > they do. There is one called white point which I tweaked a bit and it > made the picture a bit brighter. I was afraid to go further because of > what iv'e heard about generating x-rays. For example, there is a pot > labelled cutoff... cutoff what?! I don't think there will be serious radiation problems; AFAIK even real old monochrome monitors don't have problems to meet modern radiation standards. But if you have a monitor with a worn CRT cathode, there is probably not much you can do, except turning up the brightness until it dies completely... Alex. From jeff at sonicrim.com Wed May 3 09:07:17 2000 From: jeff at sonicrim.com (jeff borisch) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:07:17 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: on 5/3/2000 4:44 AM, Alexander Bochmann at ab at infra.de wrote: > > This is covered in the NeXT FAQ, unfortunately... > > http://www.peanuts.org/faq-serve/cache/192.html > Hey thanks for this link. there seems to be many fewer next fanatics than sun fanatics. This FAQ is Boss. (-: This group is Boss (-: Thanks, jeffrey PS I'm still working on the Mac As Serial Terminal issues ith my sparcs and will post my findings later. >> With the hood off I can see access holes to some pots. There are labels >> such as focus, horz cent, and the like. These are pretty obvious what >> they do. There is one called white point which I tweaked a bit and it >> made the picture a bit brighter. I was afraid to go further because of >> what iv'e heard about generating x-rays. For example, there is a pot >> labelled cutoff... cutoff what?! > > I don't think there will be serious radiation problems; AFAIK even > real old monochrome monitors don't have problems to meet modern > radiation standards. But if you have a monitor with a worn CRT > cathode, there is probably not much you can do, except turning > up the brightness until it dies completely... > > Alex. > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > -- From ab at infra.de Wed May 3 09:27:51 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:27:51 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, for quite a time, I have now been trying to compile the GNU ncurses on a sun3 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1... I have been trying with various configurations; different gcc versions (2.8.1 and 2.95.2), different binutils (2.8.1 and 2.9.1), and different versions of the ncurses lib (1.9.9g, 4.0 and 5.0), and it always breaks with a similar message: cd ../obj_s; gcc -I../ncurses -I. -DNDEBUG -I. -I../include -I/usr/local/include/ncurses -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMINFO=\"/usr/local/share/terminfo\" -O2 -D_REENTRANT -fpic -c ../ncurses/./tinfo/comp_scan.c /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s: Assembler messages: /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s:584: Error: operands mismatch -- statement `jbsr __nc_get_token,a1' ignored make[1]: *** [../obj_s/comp_scan.o] Error 1 Does gcc create incorrect assembler code here or do I have another problem? Any ideas? The same assembler error pops up, when I try to compile the Amanda network backup system, by the way... Alex. From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Wed May 3 10:52:47 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:52:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: All, I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. I initially thought this would be simple as the SunOS 5.7 kernel is generic between kernel architectures (sun4c, sun4m etc.). Not so as the boot program in /platform is only present for the kernel architecture of the machine it installed was originally on (i.e. my disc has sun4c present for the IPC, but lacks sun4m for the SS10). Easily solved, boot from CD and copy the /platform/sun4m stuff from CD to the system disk. Then I realised all the /devices entries are wrong! I'm getting errors about keyboard not present when booting now - I guess I need to boot from CD again and run drvconfig using the -r rootdir option. Is there a simple step-by-step way to move systems discs between architectures, or even machines? I guess if I move the system disc to a different sun4m machine (e.g. a SS5) all the device entries will be wrong again - iommu at obio 0xe0000000 on the SS10, at obio 0x10000000 on the SS5. It actually seems more difficult to do this with SunOS 5.x than it was with SunOS 4.x. Thanks for any help. Chris. From P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk Wed May 3 11:16:58 2000 From: P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.Osborne) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:16:58 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: It may be worth being really brave, by installing the disk booting 7 off of CD and telling it to do an upgrade but preserving filesystems.... --Paul On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:52:47PM +0100, Chris Powell wrote: > > All, > > I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want > to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance > now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. > > I initially thought this would be simple as the SunOS 5.7 kernel is > generic between kernel architectures (sun4c, sun4m etc.). Not so as > the boot program in /platform is only present for the kernel > architecture of the machine it installed was originally on (i.e. > my disc has sun4c present for the IPC, but lacks sun4m for the > SS10). Easily solved, boot from CD and copy the /platform/sun4m > stuff from CD to the system disk. Then I realised all the /devices > entries are wrong! I'm getting errors about keyboard not present > when booting now - I guess I need to boot from CD again and run > drvconfig using the -r rootdir option. > > Is there a simple step-by-step way to move systems discs between > architectures, or even machines? I guess if I move the system disc > to a different sun4m machine (e.g. a SS5) all the device entries > will be wrong again - iommu at obio 0xe0000000 on the SS10, > at obio 0x10000000 on the SS5. > > It actually seems more difficult to do this with SunOS 5.x than it > was with SunOS 4.x. > > Thanks for any help. > > > Chris. > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From martin at dsres.com Wed May 3 12:26:16 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:26:16 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Alexander Bochmann wrote: > /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s:584: Error: operands mismatch > -- statement `jbsr __nc_get_token,a1' ignored > Does gcc create incorrect assembler code here or do I have another > problem? That looks like incorrect assembler code. (a) the compiler should *never* generate any code that can't be assembled. (b) that instruction isn't valid on 680x0 assembly. Looks like the `,a1' is spurious (__nc_get_token is an absolute address, so no need for an address register). It may also be that it means `(__nc_get_token,a1)' (meaning __nc_get_token symbol plus contents of a1), in which case missing off the brackets is an error. This seems unlikely, unless the symbol is actually an array reference. Try getting an older version of gcc and trying with that. I never had any problems with 2.7.2, but 2.8.x seemed to break lots of things. I would offer to try to track down the bug, but I'm really snowed under with work and things atm. Sorry. --m From sammy at oh.verio.com Wed May 3 12:51:56 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Hi, > > for quite a time, I have now been trying to compile the GNU > ncurses on a sun3 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1... > > I have been trying with various configurations; different gcc > versions (2.8.1 and 2.95.2), different binutils (2.8.1 and > 2.9.1), and different versions of the ncurses lib (1.9.9g, > 4.0 and 5.0), and it always breaks with a similar message: > > cd ../obj_s; gcc -I../ncurses -I. -DNDEBUG -I. -I../include -I/usr/local/include/ncurses -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMINFO=\"/usr/local/share/terminfo\" -O2 -D_REENTRANT -fpic -c ../ncurses/./tinfo/comp_scan.c > /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s: Assembler messages: > /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s:584: Error: operands mismatch -- statement `jbsr __nc_get_token,a1' ignored > make[1]: *** [../obj_s/comp_scan.o] Error 1 > > Does gcc create incorrect assembler code here or do I have another > problem? > > Any ideas? Personally, I do all my builds with gcc 2.7.2.3 on my sun3... And I know for a fact that it generates proper code for GNU ncurses (though that was a linux-sun3 target). -- Sam "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From kurt at csh.rit.edu Wed May 3 13:11:17 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA drives for under $300. Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a $1400 price tag. I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the brackets necessary) --Kurt From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 3 13:44:23 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: On May 3, jeff borisch wrote: > Hey thanks for this link. there seems to be many fewer next fanatics than > sun fanatics. This FAQ is Boss. (-: I'm willing to bet a lot of folks around here use Sun machines at work...and I doubt that's the case for NeXT hardware. That probably accounts for the difference you're seeing. Sure, there are old Suns...but there are *only* old NeXTs, see what I mean? -Dave McGuire From ab at infra.de Wed May 3 13:44:27 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:44:27 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:26:16PM +0100, Martin Frost wrote: > Alexander Bochmann wrote: > > /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s:584: Error: operands mismatch > > -- statement `jbsr __nc_get_token,a1' ignored > That looks like incorrect assembler code. Ugh. In the .s file, it looks like this: L31: moveq #1,d0 cmpl d4,d0 jne L105 jbsr __nc_get_token,a1 movel d0,d3 > (a) the compiler should *never* generate any code that can't be assembled. > (b) that instruction isn't valid on 680x0 assembly. Looks like the `,a1' > is spurious (__nc_get_token is an absolute address, so no need for > an address register). > It may also be that it means `(__nc_get_token,a1)' (meaning > __nc_get_token symbol plus contents of a1), in which case missing When I compile that file with optimization turned off, I get an endless stream of jsbr something,a1 errors; with -O2 it occurs just that one time... :( > Try getting an older version of gcc and trying with that. I never had > any problems with 2.7.2, but 2.8.x seemed to break lots of things. Well, I used 2.8.1 with Linux/m68k on the Atari TT for some time, but then I didn't really compile much with it (Debian binary packages everywhere ;) ...). It seems I should really go back to 2.7.2.3 for that target... Thanks for your answer, Alex. From jeff at sonicrim.com Wed May 3 14:46:00 2000 From: jeff at sonicrim.com (jeff borisch) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: on 5/3/2000 2:44 PM, Dave McGuire at mcguire at neurotica.com wrote: > On May 3, jeff borisch wrote: >> Hey thanks for this link. there seems to be many fewer next fanatics than >> sun fanatics. This FAQ is Boss. (-: > > I'm willing to bet a lot of folks around here use Sun machines at > work...and I doubt that's the case for NeXT hardware. That probably > accounts for the difference you're seeing. Absolutely right-on point you make. More sun 'proponents', yes... I said 'fanatics' (-: best, jeffrey -- From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 3 15:03:37 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: On May 3, jeff borisch wrote: > > I'm willing to bet a lot of folks around here use Sun machines at > > work...and I doubt that's the case for NeXT hardware. That probably > > accounts for the difference you're seeing. > > Absolutely right-on point you make. > More sun 'proponents', yes... > I said 'fanatics' (-: Ahh, I missed that all-important word. Now I understand. ;-) -Dave McGuire From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed May 3 15:07:40 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:07:40 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Mosiejczuk [mailto:kurt at csh.rit.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:11 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use > as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA > drives for under $300. > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > $1400 price tag. > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > brackets necessary) Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion cubic feet per minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in the SS5, assuming that it doesn't cause the steel case to melt. The things to be aware of is that your root partition should be less than 2GB (less than 1 if you want SILO to work right, probably), and that an 18GB drive is probably going to be pretty hot, although I haven't used any for almost a year and a half, so I'm not sure about that. Greg From apotter at icsa.net Wed May 3 15:54:04 2000 From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:54:04 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: Greetings: > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > > $1400 price tag. > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > brackets necessary) > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion cubic feet per > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in the SS5..... Not quite true..... SCAs come in half height and low profile. The 4/5/20 chassis needs low profile, which is (he measures the dead gigger he's using for a paperweight) one inch high. I learned this the hard way with a cheapass fujitsu 9gigger from compgeeks.com. Fortunately, an sca <-> wide adaptor let it live in my dual cpu linux box and all was not lost. I would also be very wary of heat issues. Make this the only drive in the chassis if you can. AL From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed May 3 16:25:45 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:25:45 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: apotter at icsa.net [mailto:apotter at icsa.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:54 PM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > > Greetings: > > > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun > reseller who said we > > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that > big. With a > > > $1400 price tag. > > > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there > isn't a problem > > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > > brackets necessary) > > > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion > cubic feet per > > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in > the SS5..... > > Not quite true..... SCAs come in half height and low > profile. The 4/5/20 chassis needs low profile, which is (he > measures the dead gigger he's using for a paperweight) one inch high. > I learned this the hard way with a cheapass fujitsu 9gigger > from compgeeks.com. Fortunately, an sca <-> wide adaptor let > it live in my dual cpu linux box and all was not lost. You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA connector is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should have the connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately wouldn't work, there isn't enough space. > I would also be very wary of heat issues. Make this the only > drive in the chassis if you can. Yeah, with an 18GB drive, why would you even put two drives in there? Greg From apotter at icsa.net Wed May 3 16:50:17 2000 From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:50:17 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu said: > You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA > connector is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should > have the connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately > wouldn't work, there isn't enough space. The bail on the carrier wouldn't go down over the drive, so it was hack up an expensive carrier, or swap drives. I need the 9 in the other unit more anyway. AL From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 3 17:20:03 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:20:03 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: I have tried to put half height drives in the SS5/20 boxen, it never works, the top edge of the drive hits the upper drive connector on the backplane. I have tried Quantum, Seagate and IBM drives all the same problem. Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu said: > > You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA > > connector is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should > > have the connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately > > wouldn't work, there isn't enough space. > > The bail on the carrier wouldn't go down over the drive, so it was hack up an > expensive carrier, or swap drives. I need the 9 in the other unit more anyway. > > > > AL > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From nick at ns.snowman.net Wed May 3 18:01:32 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: 18Gig drives are getting better. Especially if you get a newer 7200 (or 5400 rpm, but I don't think they make any that slow) it may even put out less heat than a stock 2gig. (drive size dosen't affect heat all that much, mostly it's speed, and friction, speed is always going up, friction is always going down ) Nick On Wed, 3 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kurt Mosiejczuk [mailto:kurt at csh.rit.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:11 AM > > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > > Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > > > I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use > > as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA > > drives for under $300. > > > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > > $1400 price tag. > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > brackets necessary) > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion cubic feet per > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in the SS5, assuming > that it doesn't cause the steel case to melt. The things to be aware of is > that your root partition should be less than 2GB (less than 1 if you want > SILO to work right, probably), and that an 18GB drive is probably going to > be pretty hot, although I haven't used any for almost a year and a half, so > I'm not sure about that. > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From nick at ns.snowman.net Wed May 3 18:02:14 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: There is also .75 high sca now. I've never seen one, but several are listed. Nick On Wed, 3 May 2000 apotter at icsa.net wrote: > Greetings: > > > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > > > $1400 price tag. > > > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > > brackets necessary) > > > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion cubic feet per > > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in the SS5..... > > Not quite true..... SCAs come in half height and low profile. The 4/5/20 chassis needs low profile, which is (he measures the dead gigger he's using for a paperweight) one inch high. > > I learned this the hard way with a cheapass fujitsu 9gigger from compgeeks.com. Fortunately, an sca <-> wide adaptor let it live in my dual cpu linux box and all was not lost. > > I would also be very wary of heat issues. Make this the only drive in the chassis if you can. > > > > > AL > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From nick at ns.snowman.net Wed May 3 18:04:17 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: Well the last one I can answer . Because your developers refuse to remove or change their log files (which are now ~4gig of text a pop) . Nick On Wed, 3 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: apotter at icsa.net [mailto:apotter at icsa.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:54 PM > > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > > > > > Greetings: > > > > > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun > > reseller who said we > > > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that > > big. With a > > > > $1400 price tag. > > > > > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there > > isn't a problem > > > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > > > brackets necessary) > > > > > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion > > cubic feet per > > > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in > > the SS5..... > > > > Not quite true..... SCAs come in half height and low > > profile. The 4/5/20 chassis needs low profile, which is (he > > measures the dead gigger he's using for a paperweight) one inch high. > > I learned this the hard way with a cheapass fujitsu 9gigger > > from compgeeks.com. Fortunately, an sca <-> wide adaptor let > > it live in my dual cpu linux box and all was not lost. > > You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA connector > is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should have the > connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately wouldn't work, there > isn't enough space. > > > I would also be very wary of heat issues. Make this the only > > drive in the chassis if you can. > > Yeah, with an 18GB drive, why would you even put two drives in there? > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Wed May 3 17:50:16 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:50:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: I am concerend about heat, but we really need to understand how your system is used to give a real answer: Is it left on 24x7 or just for 4 - 8 hour demos? Are you planning on one drive or two? Are these half-height or low-profile? What is the speed of the drive - 5000 RPM, 7200 RPM or higher? What speed is the CPU in the SS5? What other SBUS cards are you running (incl. framebuffer)? The real question is this - how hot does your system get now, and how much hotter will it get after you add this drive? I have 2x4Gig HDs in my SS5/70, but it is a rather baren box (only a TGX frame bufffer, may be adding a SCSI/Ethernet card), but it is only left on occasionally. I did smoke test it by letting it run for 96+ hours and the air exiting the case seemed a little warm, not overly hot (IMHO)... But these are 5400 RPM drives. External cases are not that expensive, and I don't think your clients will find two pieces (SS5 and ext. drive) offensive/complex. One other thought - one 18 Gig HD is probably *much* better than 2x9 Gig HDs - the heat is a function of the motors, not the storage capacity... HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use > as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA > drives for under $300. > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > $1400 price tag. > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the brackets necessary) > > --Kurt > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From taren at c344818-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com Wed May 3 20:39:21 2000 From: taren at c344818-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (Taren) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the system can rebuild the correct devices. > > It may be worth being really brave, by installing the disk > booting 7 off of CD and telling it to do an upgrade but > preserving filesystems.... > > --Paul > > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:52:47PM +0100, Chris Powell wrote: > > > > All, > > > > I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want > > to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance > > now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. > > > > I initially thought this would be simple as the SunOS 5.7 kernel is > > generic between kernel architectures (sun4c, sun4m etc.). Not so as > > the boot program in /platform is only present for the kernel > > architecture of the machine it installed was originally on (i.e. > > my disc has sun4c present for the IPC, but lacks sun4m for the > > SS10). Easily solved, boot from CD and copy the /platform/sun4m > > stuff from CD to the system disk. Then I realised all the /devices > > entries are wrong! I'm getting errors about keyboard not present > > when booting now - I guess I need to boot from CD again and run > > drvconfig using the -r rootdir option. > > > > Is there a simple step-by-step way to move systems discs between > > architectures, or even machines? I guess if I move the system disc > > to a different sun4m machine (e.g. a SS5) all the device entries > > will be wrong again - iommu at obio 0xe0000000 on the SS10, > > at obio 0x10000000 on the SS5. > > > > It actually seems more difficult to do this with SunOS 5.x than it > > was with SunOS 4.x. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > Chris. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From paul at atgi.net Wed May 3 22:10:47 2000 From: paul at atgi.net (Paul Theodoropoulos) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:10:47 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: Yes and no. If you are adding/removing external scsi devices on a running system - such as a cdrom drive , or a new tape drive, or what-have-you - you don't have to reboot. You can simply run the triad of drvconfig && devlinks && disks or for tape devices, drvconfig && devlinks && tapes that'll configure the /etc/path_to_inst file, create the appropriate device entries and links, and you should be able to rock and roll without a reboot. If you've added or changed the configuration info for a driver, such as the sd disk drive or st tape driver, you may need to force a refresh on the loadable kernel module by unloading the active instance - root % modinfo | grep scsi 20 1017f2bc 7af2 - 1 scsi (SCSI Bus Utility Routines) 71 1023bafc 12b28 32 1 sd (SCSI Disk Driver 1.299) 75 1024c67c cc65 50 1 glm (GLM SCSI HBA Driver 1.129.) 95 102a961c 110a6 33 1 st (SCSI tape Driver 1.191) in this case, if I was trying a new tape driver, I'd run root % modunload -i 95 The module will then be reload with the new configuration/device info after the device is first accessed. Now, all that granted, when you're talking about moving a boot disk from one architecture system to another, it's a whole nuther ball of wax. boot -r will not necessarily do the right thing, particularly with the crucial /etc/path_to_inst file, which may have entirely incorrect instance entries for the new hardware. What may work is to rename /etc/path_to_inst to, say, /etc/Xpath_to_inst (or /etc/path_to_inst.old, whatever you like really), then do a boot -ra. The 'a' flag forces the system to ask you what to do each during each step of the boot process. In this case, you'd accept the default for everything, and be sure that when it asks you if you want to rebuild the /etc/path_to_inst file, that you answer 'y'. That'll likely do the trick. Sorry for the verbosity! At 06:39 PM 5/3/00, you wrote: >Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to >run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the >system can rebuild the correct devices. > > > > > It may be worth being really brave, by installing the disk > > booting 7 off of CD and telling it to do an upgrade but > > preserving filesystems.... > > > > --Paul > > > > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:52:47PM +0100, Chris Powell wrote: > > > > > > All, > > > > > > I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want > > > to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance > > > now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. > > > > > > I initially thought this would be simple as the SunOS 5.7 kernel is > > > generic between kernel architectures (sun4c, sun4m etc.). Not so as > > > the boot program in /platform is only present for the kernel > > > architecture of the machine it installed was originally on (i.e. > > > my disc has sun4c present for the IPC, but lacks sun4m for the > > > SS10). Easily solved, boot from CD and copy the /platform/sun4m > > > stuff from CD to the system disk. Then I realised all the /devices > > > entries are wrong! I'm getting errors about keyboard not present > > > when booting now - I guess I need to boot from CD again and run > > > drvconfig using the -r rootdir option. > > > > > > Is there a simple step-by-step way to move systems discs between > > > architectures, or even machines? I guess if I move the system disc > > > to a different sun4m machine (e.g. a SS5) all the device entries > > > will be wrong again - iommu at obio 0xe0000000 on the SS10, > > > at obio 0x10000000 on the SS5. > > > > > > It actually seems more difficult to do this with SunOS 5.x than it > > > was with SunOS 4.x. > > > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > > > > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Theodoropoulos | paul at atgi.net | Senior Unix Systems Administrator Internet Services Div. | Advanced TelCom Group Inc. | Santa Rosa, CA US From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 4 02:10:47 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:10:47 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:39:21PM -0700, Taren wrote: > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > system can rebuild the correct devices. You also have to use "installboot" to install the correct bootblock for the new system on the drive. Bill > > It may be worth being really brave, by installing the disk > > booting 7 off of CD and telling it to do an upgrade but > > preserving filesystems.... > > --Paul > > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:52:47PM +0100, Chris Powell wrote: > > > All, > > > I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want > > > to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance > > > now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 02:15:33 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:15:33 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: Hi, ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:39:21PM -0700, Taren wrote: > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > system can rebuild the correct devices. Wasn't there also something like touch /reconfigure; reboot ? At work, we moved a boot disk fom a Sparc 1 to a Sparc 5 last year; I'll go and look whether we have documented that somewehre... Alex. From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Thu May 4 02:45:13 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 03:45:13 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: touch /reconfigure triggers the same process a boot -r command will, as with most thing Unix, there is more than one way to do the same thing... HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Hi, > > ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:39:21PM -0700, Taren wrote: > > > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > > system can rebuild the correct devices. > > Wasn't there also something like touch /reconfigure; reboot ? > > At work, we moved a boot disk fom a Sparc 1 to a Sparc 5 last > year; I'll go and look whether we have documented that somewehre... > > Alex. > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 02:51:39 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:51:39 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 10:07:17AM -0400, jeff borisch wrote: > there seems to be many fewer next fanatics than sun fanatics. Well, the NeXT users that are left must probably be fanatics, sort of; but there were never that many compared to sun users. (Although, recently, I repaired a NeXT Cube that is still the mailserver for a department at a german university.) You know there are Y2K fixes for NeXTStep 3.3 and OpenStep on Nextanswers (support.apple.com, I think, nowadays)? Alex. From brt at osk.sema.se Thu May 4 03:39:47 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:39:47 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: apotter at icsa.net wrote: > > > You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA > > connector is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should > > have the connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately > > wouldn't work, there isn't enough space. > > The bail on the carrier wouldn't go down over the drive, so it was hack up an > expensive carrier, or swap drives. I need the 9 in the other unit more anyway. Simply get rid of that handle.. the drive should fit nicely anyway. If you're still worried the drive will "pop away", secure it with some "plastic hardware hack"... should work like a charm. /Regards, Bjorn From brt at osk.sema.se Thu May 4 03:48:40 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:48:40 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > > I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use > as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA > drives for under $300. > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > $1400 price tag. > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the brackets necessary) Sounds like you're getting a brand new drive for that price, which leads me to the fact that this 18G drive is a low-profile model, which would fit just fine in a SS5. I know our IBM Ultrastar 18ES drives are all low-profile (one inch) thick, but the again the "early" Quantum Atlas IV 18G and 36G (currently relabeled to RZ1xx-xx by Compaq) are all Half-Height. The heat shouldn't be a problem on this pecker, even if it's a 18G drive. Technology has been pushing the limits down on friction, motors and other things, so this drive probably won't be much hotter than any other (newer) drive in the same size... (comparing to *ptwiee* IDE-ATA drives) Ofcourse the HH (Half-Height) drives tend to get hot, very hot, as with all first generation harddrives. So, check out that drive, especially look up the model number of the drive and check for the manufacturers data on it. Should wipe out any doubts available. However, I haven't taken any Solaris issue into consideration here, so you'd have to check that out for yourself. :-) /Regards, Bjorn From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 06:35:28 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:35:28 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 01:51:56PM -0400, Sam Creasey wrote: > Personally, I do all my builds with gcc 2.7.2.3 on my sun3... And I know > for a fact that it generates proper code for GNU ncurses (though that was > a linux-sun3 target). # gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/m68k-sun-sunos4.1.1/2.7.2.3/specs gcc version 2.7.2.3 But still: cd ../obj_s; gcc -I../ncurses -I. -DNDEBUG -I. -I../include -I/usr/local/include/ncurses -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMINFO=\"/usr/local/share/terminfo\" -O2 -D_REENTRANT -fpic -c ../ncurses/./base/lib_set_term.c /usr/tmp/cca15102.s: Assembler messages: /usr/tmp/cca15102.s:50: Error: operands mismatch -- statement `jbsr __nc_free_keytry,a1' ignored It's in another source file now, but the problem seems to be the same. Can there be a problem with just the m68k-sun-sunos4.1.1 target, or is it more likely I have some systematic error here (although I wouldn't know what that could be right now...)? Alex. From martin at dsres.com Thu May 4 08:24:24 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:24:24 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Can there be a problem with just the m68k-sun-sunos4.1.1 target, or > is it more likely I have some systematic error here (although I wouldn't > know what that could be right now...)? You say you are using GNU binutils. Did you configure gcc with --use-gnu-as and --use-gnu-ld ? --m From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Thu May 4 11:04:26 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:04:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000 18:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Taren wrote: > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > system can rebuild the correct devices. Oh yes, I'd forgotten about boot-flags other than -s! On Wed, 03 May 2000 20:10:47 -0700, Paul Theodoropoulos wrote: > Yes and no. If you are adding/removing external scsi devices on a running > system - such as a cdrom drive , or a new tape drive, or what-have-you - > you don't have to reboot. You can simply run the triad of > > drvconfig && devlinks && disks > > or for tape devices, > > drvconfig && devlinks && tapes > > that'll configure the /etc/path_to_inst file, create the appropriate device > entries and links, and you should be able to rock and roll without a > reboot. If you've added or changed the configuration info for a driver, > such as the sd disk drive or st tape driver, you may need to force a > refresh on the loadable kernel module by unloading the active instance - This and the boot -r trick looks like it'll do the job splendidly. I was tinkering yesterday evening by using drvconfig -r /a/devices (after booting from CDROM and mounting the root partition on /a) to create the correct device files. This worked OK, except it didn't update the all important (as I now realise) /etc/path_to_inst file (and moaned that it couldn't do so). I couldn't figure out how to force path_to_inst to get updated, so I used sed to change all the hardware addresses over to the SS10 :) Oh well, if things were always push-button easy, they wouldn't be half as interesting! Thanks. Chris. From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 13:02:31 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:02:31 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: ...on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 02:24:24PM +0100, Martin Frost wrote: > > Can there be a problem with just the m68k-sun-sunos4.1.1 target, or > > is it more likely I have some systematic error here > You say you are using GNU binutils. > Did you configure gcc with --use-gnu-as and --use-gnu-ld ? I did try different combinations (I think I made the gnu binutils after it didn't work without)... For the 2.7.2.3 gcc I didn't use these flags, because the readme sais that they don't have any effect on this target. I think I had 2.95.2 and 2.8.1 with and without --use-gnu*. Alex. P.S., with 2.7.2.3 the following code is generated that fails: __nc_free_keytry: link a6,#0 movel a5,sp at - movel a2,sp at - movel #__GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_, a5 lea pc@(0,a5:l),a5 movel a6@(8),a2 tstl a2 jeq L3 movel a2@,sp at - jbsr __nc_free_keytry,a1 movel a2@(4),sp at - jbsr __nc_free_keytry,a1 movel a2,sp at - movel a5@(_free:w),a0 jsr a0@ From drjolt at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu May 4 13:58:21 2000 From: drjolt at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:58:21 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: Quoting <200005041604.RAA19603 at brian.psc> by Chris Powell : > This and the boot -r trick looks like it'll do the job splendidly. > I was tinkering yesterday evening by using drvconfig -r /a/devices > (after booting from CDROM and mounting the root partition on /a) > to create the correct device files. This worked OK, except it didn't > update the all important (as I now realise) /etc/path_to_inst file > (and moaned that it couldn't do so). I couldn't figure out how to > force path_to_inst to get updated, so I used sed to change all the > hardware addresses over to the SS10 :) > Oh well, if things were always push-button easy, they wouldn't be > half as interesting! An alternative might be to use something like the following, which has got me out of a couple of messy situations [1]. 1. Copy the two files /etc/path_to_inst and /etc/path_to_inst.old to /var/tmp and remove the originals. 2. Boot with "boot -ar", accepting the default parameters, and answering "yes" to regenerate the path_to_inst file. 3. Shutdown to an OK prompt (init 0) and boot from CDROM with the "boot cdrom -s" command. 4. Mount the root filesystem from the primary disk onto /a 5. Change into the /dev directory on the CD and copy the device links across to the root file system "cd /dev | find . -print | cpio -pdvnum /a/dev" [1] Like reconfiguring an Ultra 10 with mirrored disks so that each disk was on a different IDE channel - disks on the same channel both become inaccessible if the master fails. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From martin at dsres.com Thu May 4 14:03:17 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:03:17 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Alexander Bochmann wrote: > P.S., with 2.7.2.3 the following code is generated that fails: [...] That's definitely wrong. There is no way that A1 could be legally used at that point, because it's never been initialised, and gcc doesn't use register args on 680x0. What does the function __nc_free_keytry() look like in C? What does the RTL for the function look like? (run the compiler with -dr) --m From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 17:01:03 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:01:03 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, ...on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 08:03:17PM +0100, Martin Frost wrote: > Alexander Bochmann wrote: > > P.S., with 2.7.2.3 the following code is generated that fails: > What does the function __nc_free_keytry() look like in C? I thought you had no time ;] I'll send you a mail with the data off the list; probably gets a bit lenghty... Alex. From mdeen at xs4all.nl Thu May 4 17:31:28 2000 From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:31:28 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Connector on SuperSparc modules Message-ID: I am just installing a second SM71 in my Sparc 20 and I noticed that both modules have a 2-pin connector on the board (top left if the mbus connector is at bottom, pointing down). It looks the same as the receptive plug on the LED assembly in 411 cases. Does anyone know wat it is for? I'm hoping for an activity LED. Flashing LEDs for no reason are cool ;-) Maarten p.s.: the second module runs fine, the machine feels notably faster. -- Maarten Deen +31 (0)77 3076879 mdeen at xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Fri May 5 10:39:34 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:39:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000 02:10:47 -0500, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:39:21PM -0700, Taren wrote: > > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > > system can rebuild the correct devices. > > You also have to use "installboot" to install the correct bootblock for > the new system on the drive. Yup, this was something I did figure. You also need to copy the new platform dependent ufsboot file to /platform/sun4m/ufsboot (as I was moving from sun4c /platform/sun4c/ufsboot was present) as well as installing the bootblk from /usr/platform/sun4m/lib/fs/ufs. A bit more experimenting with boot -r and boot -a still didn't get a fully working system. I was ending up with CPU panics or /usr being mounted read-only or not mounted at all (eek!). When the machine was not mounting /usr, it was saying 'boot with the -b option' - isn't this an old SunOS 4.x boot option? It's not on the SunOS 5.x kernel(1M) manual page! It seems as if removing /etc/path_to_inst and doing a boot -ra doesn't fully configure the machine from scratch. The kernel seems to try and use /dev and /devices if they are present, even if you want them rebuilt. Removing everything under /dev and /devices doesn't help as the machine then won't boot. My steps to move an IPC system disc to a SS10 (I think!): 1. BACK THE DRIVE UP! 2. Boot from CD. Mount the root partition of the drive on /a and install the /platform/sun4m and /usr/platform/sun4m hierarchies and machine type (SUNW,....) links. Use 'installboot' to install the boot block. 3. Remove everything under /a/dev and /a/devices. 4. Tar /dev and /devices (i.e. the devices directories of your CD booted system). Untar them in /a/dev and /a/devices. 5. Remove /a/etc/path_to_inst 6. Halt the system, and reboot with -ravs (rebuild, ask, verbose, single-user) kernel flags. Hit return for everything EXCEPT when it asks to recreate /etc/path_to_inst (answer y). I certainly wouldn't guarantee this working every time (hence the need for a backup), but it worked for me (so far!). I guess Sun don't support moving disks between machine types without reinstalling Solaris! Thanks to everyone who replied to my original query. Chris. From ab at infra.de Fri May 5 17:34:35 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:34:35 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, I think I have found something... ...on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 08:03:17PM +0100, Martin Frost wrote: > That's definitely wrong. There is no way that A1 could be legally > used at that point, because it's never been initialised, and gcc On a sudden inspiration, I have searched the gcc config files for "jbsr", and found the following comment in the machine description file for m68k (gcc-2.7.2.3/config/m68k/m68k.md): ;; When outputting MIT syntax (e.g. on Suns), we add a bogus extra ;; operand to the jbsr statement to indicate that this call should ;; go through the PLT (why? because this is the way that Sun does it). Possibly the newer gnu binutils have "forgotten" about this feature on the m68k-sun-sunos4 target...? Alex. From twmaster at earthlink.net Sun May 7 02:19:13 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 03:19:13 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] More free 1 MB 30 Pin SIMM's Message-ID: Hi gang, I have more 1 MB SIMM's to give out yet again, approx. 90 pieces, first come first served, please don't be a pig, share!! Also 5 or so Maxtor 213 MB OEM Sun HD's, same deal first come first to grab. All I ask is pay for the postage, or if you are a qualifying non-profit who needs the parts let me know, I am sure I can help with the shipping. Cheers, Mike N From mdeen at xs4all.nl Sun May 7 10:12:46 2000 From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:12:46 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Calculating memory in use Message-ID: Hi, I just know this has been asked before, but can't find it in the list archives (ok, maybe it has been asked on a newsgroup), but is there a way to calculate the amount of memory that my programs use? I'm not interested in portion in paged-in or paged-out memory, just the grand total of all programs in memory. Could it be the sum of the SZ column in the long output of ps? Cheers, Maarten -- Maarten Deen +31 (0)77 3076879 mdeen at xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen From liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Sun May 7 15:56:35 2000 From: liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Liam Stewart) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: Hi all, I've come into possession of two old Suns: a 3/50 and an SLC. I've got some knowledge of Unix (primarily Linux), but this is the first opportunity that I've had to really play around with Suns. My goal with these two computers is to turn them into (hopefully) useful pieces of equipment (they're sitting in my basement right now doing nothing). The 3/50 has no tape drive. I wanted to do an installation of NetBSD onto it or turn it into an X-terminal, but i've run into a little problem. I've hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? As for the SLC, I don't have anything except the monitor part (no keyboard or anything). Is it possible to turn this guy into an X-terminal or something similar? What kind of Sun keyboards will work with the SLC? Hoping to save these guys from the dumpster, Liam -- Liam Stewart E-Mail: liam at ualberta.ca Forty-two -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy" From paul at partitura.com Sun May 7 21:02:55 2000 From: paul at partitura.com (Paul Phillips) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:02:55 -0600 Subject: [SunRescue] GDM20E20 what is this little button? Message-ID: I've got a Sun GDM20E20 monitor. On the very left end of the controls at the bottom of the monitor is a small recessed button that is about 1/4 inch square. Under it are three dots. It would have to be depressed with a pen or pencil. If someone has this monitor -- What does this button do? Also, the next button over seems to have three functions, but I don't know what they are. Thanks for any information. Paul Phillips paul at partitura.com From mrbill at mrbill.net Sun May 7 21:15:10 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:15:10 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 02:56:35PM -0600, Liam Stewart wrote: > Hi all, > I've come into possession of two old Suns: a 3/50 and an SLC. I've got > some knowledge of Unix (primarily Linux), but this is the first > opportunity that I've had to really play around with Suns. My goal with > these two computers is to turn them into (hopefully) useful pieces of > equipment (they're sitting in my basement right now doing nothing). > The 3/50 has no tape drive. I wanted to do an installation of NetBSD onto > it or turn it into an X-terminal, but i've run into a little problem. I've > hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; > there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, > and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware > in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? Its not worth fixing; for around $20-25, you can pick up a barebones SPARCstation 1 thats much faster. > As for the SLC, I don't have anything except the monitor part (no keyboard > or anything). Is it possible to turn this guy into an X-terminal or > something similar? What kind of Sun keyboards will work with the SLC? Any Sun Type 4/5/6 keyboard will work with the SLC just fine; all you need for a complete system is to plug in external SCSI HD and CD-ROM. The SLC is basically a SPARCstation 1+. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From james at foonly.com Sun May 7 23:49:13 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] GDM20E20 what is this little button? Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Paul Phillips wrote: > I've got a Sun GDM20E20 monitor. > > On the very left end of the controls at the bottom of the monitor is a > small recessed button that is about 1/4 inch square. Under it are three > dots. > > It would have to be depressed with a pen or pencil. > > If someone has this monitor -- What does this button do? Resets monitor settings to factory defaults. > Also, the next button over seems to have three functions, but I don't know > what they are. Top one (with the 3 dots in a box) is color temperature and balance. Middle one is moire correction (disabled by default). Bottom one is the settings "key", it prevents changes from being made if enabled. -James From twmaster at earthlink.net Mon May 8 00:06:03 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 01:06:03 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB: SCA 4.3 GB Drives Message-ID: Kinda says it, best price, need 4 or so. Mike N From mdeen at xs4all.nl Mon May 8 02:13:14 2000 From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:13:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: Liam Stewart: > hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; > there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, > and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware > in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good even by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. Have you tried to hook it up to thinwire using the BNC connector? Maarten From sammy at oh.verio.com Mon May 8 07:02:12 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Maarten Deen wrote: > Liam Stewart: > > > hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; > > there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, > > and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware > > in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? > > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good even > by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > > Have you tried to hook it up to thinwire using the BNC connector? Erm, what drivers/OS are you assuming? FTP'ing a file to my linux-running sun3 shows: 8640054 bytes received in 14.2 secs (6e+02 Kbytes/sec) Though, admittedly, that's without the disk write. Packet loss has only been a problem when my roommate's crappy ne2k used to bleat packets while he was playing StarCraft.... -- Sam "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From martin at dsres.com Mon May 8 07:29:41 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:29:41 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: Sam Creasey wrote: > > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good > > even by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > FTP'ing a file to my linux-running sun3 shows: > 8640054 bytes received in 14.2 secs (6e+02 Kbytes/sec) I seem to remember a discussion on the Linux/sun3 mailing list that there may be a bad capacitor somewhere in the onboard 10base-2 transceiver, which can dry out after a long period, causing spurious packet loss. Suggested fix was to use an external transceiver. On Linux/sun3, however, the ethernet driver *far* outperforms the SCSI driver. I believe it's still true that NFS is faster than local disks. ;) --m From sammy at oh.verio.com Mon May 8 07:45:00 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Martin Frost wrote: > Sam Creasey wrote: > > > > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good > > > even by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > > > FTP'ing a file to my linux-running sun3 shows: > > 8640054 bytes received in 14.2 secs (6e+02 Kbytes/sec) > > I seem to remember a discussion on the Linux/sun3 mailing list that > there may be a bad capacitor somewhere in the onboard 10base-2 > transceiver, which can dry out after a long period, causing spurious > packet loss. Suggested fix was to use an external transceiver. > > On Linux/sun3, however, the ethernet driver *far* outperforms the > SCSI driver. I believe it's still true that NFS is faster than local > disks. ;) Oh, god yes. :) NFS is faster than *dma* scsi by a factor of 2-3x. "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 8 07:41:15 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:41:15 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB: SCA 4.3 GB Drives Message-ID: Here is a good 2 Gig price, if yocan use refurbs... http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST32105WC As you might guess, these are Seagate ST32105WC drives which are 1" high SCA drives for $29/each. Egghead usually has some low-price SCA drives as well, for example: http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049167/02805914.htm An IBM 9 Gig 1" high SCA drive (new) for $159... HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Mike Nicewonger wrote: > Kinda says it, best price, need 4 or so. > > Mike N > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mdeen at xs4all.nl Mon May 8 07:57:54 2000 From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:57:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: Sam Creasey: > On Mon, 8 May 2000, Maarten Deen wrote: > > > Liam Stewart: > > > > > hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; > > > there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, > > > and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware > > > in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? > > > > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good even > > by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > > > > Have you tried to hook it up to thinwire using the BNC connector? > > Erm, what drivers/OS are you assuming? > > FTP'ing a file to my linux-running sun3 shows: > 8640054 bytes received in 14.2 secs (6e+02 Kbytes/sec) Hmm, in my memory I thought the hardware was bad. Could be sun's ie driver though. Maarten From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 8 07:56:51 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:56:51 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB: SCA 4.3 GB Drives Message-ID: www.centrix-intl.com is also a good place to look... Ken Hansen wrote: > Here is a good 2 Gig price, if yocan use refurbs... > > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST32105WC > > As you might guess, these are Seagate ST32105WC drives which are 1" high > > SCA drives for $29/each. > > Egghead usually has some low-price SCA drives as well, for example: > > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049167/02805914.htm > > An IBM 9 Gig 1" high SCA drive (new) for $159... > > HTH, > > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > Mike Nicewonger wrote: > > > Kinda says it, best price, need 4 or so. > > > > Mike N > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From shatle at vue.com Mon May 8 09:34:27 2000 From: shatle at vue.com (Hatle, Steven J.) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:34:27 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IBM 7011 Powerstation 220 Message-ID: Greetings All, I picked up the above workstation (along with an HP 300, another IBM Power series box and 4 Tandy Model 100's) in a dumpster dive at the local Nat. Weather service office. It's the first one of these I've run across. I've done some Usenet searching, but my findings have been inconclusive. . . does this use PS/2 keyboards and mice, or do I need some IBM specific thing? Also, the MicroChannel video card in the thing has 3 outputs- RGB with no separate sync. I have an IBM monitor that came with my RT/11 that has RGB inputs (model 5081, if I remember) but firing up the 220 produces only 1-2 flashes on the screen- otherwise it stays black. What type of monitor can I use? The machine appears to run, FWIW, and I'll probably put together a cable for a serial console and go from there, but pointers to the above and perhaps a source for the proper AIX would be appreciated. I do have the key. Thanks! Steve ---------------------------------------------- Steve Hatle NCS/VUE shatle at vue.com ---------------------------------------------- From davis at skink.net Mon May 8 10:05:45 2000 From: davis at skink.net (John F. Davis) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:05:45 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IBM 7011 Powerstation 220 Message-ID: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:34:27AM -0500, Hatle, Steven J. wrote: > Greetings All, > > I picked up the above workstation (along with an HP 300, another IBM Power > series box and 4 Tandy Model 100's) in a dumpster dive at the local Nat. > Weather service office. It's the first one of these I've run across. I think I have that same model. I paid $40 for mine. I was disappointed to find out that Linux for the PPC doesn't work on mine. If you have an AIX boot image, I would like to play with it. For what's worth, I used a sun monitor to watch it boot. John > > I've done some Usenet searching, but my findings have been inconclusive. . > . does this use PS/2 keyboards and mice, or do I need some IBM specific > thing? > > Also, the MicroChannel video card in the thing has 3 outputs- RGB with no > separate sync. I have an IBM monitor that came with my RT/11 that has RGB > inputs (model 5081, if I remember) but firing up the 220 produces only 1-2 > flashes on the screen- otherwise it stays black. What type of monitor can I > use? > > The machine appears to run, FWIW, and I'll probably put together a cable for > a serial console and go from there, but pointers to the above and perhaps a > source for the proper AIX would be appreciated. I do have the key. > > Thanks! > > Steve > > ---------------------------------------------- > Steve Hatle > NCS/VUE > shatle at vue.com > ---------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 8 11:15:00 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:15:00 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Free 64mb RAM for U5/10 Message-ID: Due to circumstances, I'll have 64mb (2 x 32mb) of RAM for an Ultra 5/10 available soon.. I'm in a generous mood, so if you've got an U5/10, need RAM, and have a good reason why I should give it to YOU instead of someone else, let me know. 8-) (I've got 256mb coming from a hardware trade, so I dont need the 32mb DIMMs anymore..) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From Kirwan_Marty at prc.com Mon May 8 12:53:49 2000 From: Kirwan_Marty at prc.com (Kirwan Marty) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:53:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] I'm the proverbial Bull in a China Sparc Station Message-ID: Hello, I was recently destroying, I mean transferring some internals of one Sparc 2 to another. I was lulled into thinking I knew what I was doing till I pulled out a RAM expansion card. Not a SIMM, a RAM expansion card. Sort of like the old memory expansion cards you used to be able to place into a PC to get higher memory above 640k. Not really paying attention to what I was doing I removed the card and heard a noise that shouldn't have been there. This Ram expansion card had a cellophane-like ribbon cable attached that connected the side of the card to an 8-pin connector on the motherboard next to the power supply. The ribbon has a number on it, 530-1814-02. In finer print is another number 270-182902 REV 01. Does anyone have any idea where I might find a new cable? Or even what I should call it when I ask someone? Thanks, Marty Destroyer of All Things Fragile :-) From martin at dsres.com Mon May 8 13:33:11 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:33:11 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] I'm the proverbial Bull in a China Sparc Station Message-ID: Kirwan Marty wrote: > Not really paying attention to what I was > doing I removed the card and heard a noise that shouldn't have been there. > This Ram expansion card had a cellophane-like ribbon cable attached that > connected the side of the card to an 8-pin connector on the motherboard > next to the power supply. The ribbon has a number on it, 530-1814-02. > In finer print is another number 270-182902 REV 01. Does anyone have any > idea where I might find a new cable? You won't be able to find another cable, unless you can find someone with a broken board and an intact cable. SS2 memory boards are so old now that you probably can't even get the part from Sun. If there are only eight wires, maybe you could solder a bit of normal 8-core ribbon onto the board. It's useless with the cable damaged, so you've got nothing to lose. --m From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 8 15:02:57 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] IBM 7011 Powerstation 220 Message-ID: > I've done some Usenet searching, but my findings have been inconclusive. . > . does this use PS/2 keyboards and mice, or do I need some IBM specific > thing? A PS/2 keyboard will work with it, but won't correctly allow keyboard remapping for an install, from what I know, although others think it will work fine. The RS6000 keyboard is a little different from the standard PS/2 keyboard. Once it is up and running, the PS/2 keyboard seems to work fine. I have used both, but only could install off the real RS6000 keyboard, which has a speaker in the underside. The PS/2 keyboard I could not get to remap into RS6000 mode. > Also, the MicroChannel video card in the thing has 3 outputs- RGB with no > separate sync. I have an IBM monitor that came with my RT/11 that has RGB > inputs (model 5081, if I remember) but firing up the 220 produces only 1-2 > flashes on the screen- otherwise it stays black. What type of monitor can I > use? There are some jumpers on the internal video card (you have one behind the HD, plus a mca video card?????). The standard video card has a jumper that needs to be set for the scan rate/monitor used. I don't remember offhand how that is set, but I could open mine up and see. I don't offhand know anything about mca video boards in the beast. Use the vga monitor output on the video card behind the hd, if you have it, and you will better mileage. If you don't have that board, I dunno what to tell you to get the mca one up. > The machine appears to run, FWIW, and I'll probably put together a cable for > a serial console and go from there, but pointers to the above and perhaps a > source for the proper AIX would be appreciated. I do have the key. The key is good, and if you can boot it in service mode, single user, you can probably change the root passwd to suit. Otherwise some boot floppies will be needed in service mode to do that. Note how far it gets in the number on the idiot panel behind the floppy cover. There is a whole series of boot/test/etc numbers it goes through to boot. The led codes can be useful to tell you exactly where it is at in booting, and if any problems occur. AIX loads from tape or cd, although the only one I have is an early 3.1 tape. Supposedly some 4.x versions run on it, but there is a point at which those don't run on it. Pull the keyboard and monitor, and maybe also the video board, to get serial output forced, although if you have a keyboard and can get it up into monitor, you can change the output to go out the serial port, by just monitoring the led sequence and at some point keying some input. I forget the details of doing that though, since any vga monitor will work with it if the jumper is set correctly on the video board. Offhand, I dunno what your mca video board is for. I have not seen them in any of the dozen or so machines I have scrapped from surplus, to make one good box. AIX 3.2.5 is supposed to work best on it, with y2k patches available from IBM, somewhere. The IBM folks said 4.3.x would run on it, but I don't think they know what they are talking about on the 7011. One internal IBM person said that a 7011 would barely run a stripped down 4.3.3. Others have told me that video support for the 7011 was dropped from 4.3.2 and up, or somewhere around that numbering. Caveat.... and good luck..... That is all I can remember, offhand. Bob From wlewis at mailbag.com Mon May 8 16:12:34 2000 From: wlewis at mailbag.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:12:34 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB for my 3/80 Message-ID: In my continuing quest to put my 3/80 back in service I find I'm looking for a few things. If anyone has any of these things, please let me know. 1) Floppy drive bracket (which brings up the question, will a PC floppy work? Or do I need a special one for a Sun? ) 2) Bracket for a second internal hard drive. 3) Type 4 optical mouse pad 4) CDROM with 4.1.1 for Sun3x? (Did they make any? Would someone be willing to burn me one if I cover the costs?) 5) Lastly, I'm looking for someone who would burn me a 3.0.3 prom for the 3/80. I have some 4mb SIMMs that I'd like to be able to use in this machine, and the prom currently in it (2.9.2 IIRC) can't deal with them. I don't know the proper prom chip to buy, so if someone could tell me that information I'd be grateful. Thanks in advance, William -- Live without fear; your Creator loves you | William Barnett-Lewis as a mother. Go in peace to follow the good | mailto://wlewis at mailbag.com road and may God's blessing be with | you always. | St. Claire | From jg at FALSE.NET Mon May 8 20:31:28 2000 From: jg at FALSE.NET (josh grubman) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] working next system for sale/trade in the dc area Message-ID: a friend of mine is selling/trading the following system: nextstation turbo color (33 mhz '040) 16 megs ram, ~400 meg internal narrow scsi disk 17" fimi display soundbox, non-adb keyboard & mouse nextstep 3.3 is loaded, but i'm certain you'll want to reinstall. the system was in use for approximately two years and it's in need of a fresh installation. everything works and is nice to look at. contact nikki at false.net if interested. you'll need to come pick the machine up. -josh --- if you don't ask, i won't upset you. punkrock.net * sarcastic.net * false.net From tom at yarrish.com Mon May 8 21:31:03 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:31:03 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: --=====_9578394636334=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings all, I've inherited a Sparcstation IPX, and I want to install the SPARC version= of Debian (2.1) on it. This is partially due to the fact that the person= I received it from has no idea what the root password is, and when I boot= up the system, it won't mount any drives (I haven't looked into that part= yet). One thing I was wondering is if the order of the devices in the SCSI chain= matters. Here are the devices I have: Main unit with a floppy drive (I'm assuming an internal hard drive as well)= Second external hard drive SCSI ID 2 External CDROM drive with caddy SCSI ID 3 External Tape Drive (not hooked up yet) SCSI ID 4 A unit that looks like a tape drive without the drive door SCSI ID 5 Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen: Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 File and args: Illegal Instruction Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode) > (so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt) Then I get: Rebooting with command: oot cdrom Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 Boot: oot Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2) copen: bad vn_open boot failed root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 Boot: I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device. If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Tom --=====_9578394636334=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings all,
I've inherited a Sparcstation IPX, and I want to install the SPARC version of Debian (2.1) on it.  This is partially due to the fact that the person I received it from has no idea what the root password is, and when I boot up the system, it won't mount any drives (I haven't looked into that part yet).
One thing I was wondering is if the order of the devices in the SCSI chain matters.  Here are the devices I have:
 
Main unit with a floppy drive (I'm assuming an internal hard drive as well)
Second external hard drive SCSI ID 2
External CDROM drive with caddy SCSI ID 3
External Tape Drive (not hooked up yet) SCSI ID 4
A unit that looks like a tape drive without the drive door SCSI ID 5
 
Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen:
Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0    File and args:
Illegal Instruction
Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode)
>
(so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt)
 
Then I get:
Rebooting with command: oot cdrom
Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0    fstype 4.2
root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0    fstype 4.2
Boot: oot
Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2)
copen: bad vn_open
boot failed
root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0    fstype 4.2
Boot:
I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device.
 
If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it.
 
Thanks,
Tom
 
--=====_9578394636334=_-- From driley at kconline.com Mon May 8 22:03:46 2000 From: driley at kconline.com (Dale Riley) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:03:46 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff Message-ID: Hi, I hope this isn't spam... I've got an SS2 that is non working (no video card), it has 64meg ram and a 19" monitor. I picked it up with several others. Now I have to move 2000 miles and I dont want to drag it along. does anyone want it? free. I also have a 8 gig raid tower ((4) 2 gig drives) and a couple spare 2 gig drives not in a case. I'f I cant give this stuff away it goes out with the trash. All I ask is that you pick up the actual cost of shipping (however you want it shipped). I realize that this stuff may not be worth the cost of shipping but if anyone wants it........................ Dale From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 8 22:23:34 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:23:34 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Please don't send HTML email, some mail clients don't like it, and it takes up far more space than is worthwhile in my mailbox. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Yarrish [mailto:tom at yarrish.com] > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 7:31 PM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX > > Greetings all, > I've inherited a Sparcstation IPX, and I want to install the > SPARC version of Debian (2.1) on it. This is partially due > to the fact that the person I received it from has no idea > what the root password is, and when I boot up the system, it > won't mount any drives (I haven't looked into that part yet). > One thing I was wondering is if the order of the devices in > the SCSI chain matters. Here are the devices I have: > > Main unit with a floppy drive (I'm assuming an internal hard > drive as well) > Second external hard drive SCSI ID 2 That's as good a place as any. > External CDROM drive with caddy SCSI ID 3 That's not a good place for it. The internal disk on this machine is probably either ID 1 or ID 3, I can't remember what the "default" was. The "default" ID for CDROM drives is 6. This is important, because that's where it expects to find the CDROM drive when it's going to boot. > External Tape Drive (not hooked up yet) SCSI ID 4 I think this is the default, but I don't have any tape drives, so who knows. :) > A unit that looks like a tape drive without the drive door SCSI ID 5 This could be another external HD, I'm not sure. Check the case for identifying marks, or try to open it up. If it's a 411 case, look at the archives for this list for instructions. > Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen: > Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 File and args: > Illegal Instruction That says (to me, anyway) that it's trying to boot from SCSI ID 3, with no parameters passed to the kernel, and it's failing. Uh, not sure what Illegal Instruction means. It could be a problem with 2 disks thinking that they're both ID3. > Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode) > > > (so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt) That won't help, because you're in the "old" command mode. The syntax for the old mode is more like b (0,6,0) to point it to SCSI ID 6 (that syntax may be wrong, check the SHR on www.sunhelp.org). Try typing n and then boot cdrom, once you've moved the CD to ID 6. I suppose that you could try it with the CD where it is now, but I doubt that they previous owner knew enough to change the name "cdrom" to point to ID 3 instead of 6. > > Then I get: > Rebooting with command: oot cdrom > Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > Boot: oot > Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2) > copen: bad vn_open > boot failed > root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > Boot: > I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device. > > If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it. I think it's just mad because you're not giving it commands that it understands. Try going into the new command mode, and then try 'ok boot cdrom' again. Later, Grego From liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Mon May 8 23:32:26 2000 From: liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Liam Stewart) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > Any Sun Type 4/5/6 keyboard will work with the SLC just fine; all you need > for a complete system is to plug in external SCSI HD and CD-ROM. The SLC > is basically a SPARCstation 1+. Thanks, Bill. This is the excuse I need to get a Type 6 keyboard :) I've been wanting on for my PC, but haven't found a completely working adapter as of yet. I've just found a guide on setting up SPARCs as Xterminals. I'll give that a shot and see what I can do. I might grab the 3/50's external SCSI HD later on and give a Linux install a try, but an Xterminal might be fine based on the specs that I've seen of the SLC. Liam -- Liam Stewart E-Mail: liam at ualberta.ca Web: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~liam Forty-two -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy" From liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Mon May 8 23:33:25 2000 From: liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Liam Stewart) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Maarten Deen wrote: > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good even > by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > > Have you tried to hook it up to thinwire using the BNC connector? Nope, not yet. I'll try that as soon as I can find one. I never thought of trying the other connector. Silly me. Thanks :) Liam -- Liam Stewart E-Mail: liam at ualberta.ca Web: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~liam Forty-two -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy" From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 8 23:54:21 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:54:21 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Move the CD-ROM to SCSI ID 6 (standard for a Sun cdrom) and then try "boot sd(0,6,2)" instead of "boot cdrom" - you've got an old openboot ROM. Bill On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:31:03PM -0500, Tom Yarrish wrote: > Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen: > Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 File and args: > Illegal Instruction > Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode) > > > (so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt) > Then I get: > Rebooting with command: oot cdrom > Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > Boot: oot > Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2) > copen: bad vn_open > boot failed > root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > Boot: > I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device. > If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it. > Thanks, > Tom -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From twmaster at earthlink.net Tue May 9 01:10:18 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 02:10:18 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Drive problem with SS20 Message-ID: Hi all, I just put a new PROM in an SS20 to upgrade to SM-71's, after restarting the machine it says bad boot block.... Anyway it won't boot, so I tried to re-install the OS, that blew up! AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! (this machine is pissing me off!!!) SO next I tried to check the disk over by using the tools in format, no dice! Did something get broken in the OBP? or did I just happen to hit that lucky moment when my disk went to byte heaven? Enquiring minds really wanna know! Mike "I don't need this today" N From hyena at interport.net Tue May 9 04:52:09 2000 From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 02:52:09 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: Can anyone figure out if this is the final version of SunOS or just one close to the final one? (I remember that there were a LOT of 4.1.X SunOSs) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322990230 Thanks, Chris From james at foonly.com Tue May 9 02:01:36 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2000, Chris Drelich wrote: > Can anyone figure out if this is the final version of SunOS or just one close > to the final one? (I remember that there were a LOT of 4.1.X SunOSs) > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322990230 > Thanks, > Chris Solaris 1.1 = SunOS 4.1.3A. The latest (4.1.4) would be Solaris 1.1.2. SunOS 4 for sun3 has been made freely downloadable, maybe someone at Sun would be open to the same for Sparc? -James From P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk Tue May 9 03:08:44 2000 From: P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.Osborne) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:08:44 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:52:09AM -0700, Chris Drelich wrote: > Can anyone figure out if this is the final version of SunOS or just one close > to the final one? (I remember that there were a LOT of 4.1.X SunOSs) > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322990230 > Thanks, > Chris The last release of that generation for Sparc that I have in my media cupboard is: 4.1.3u1 which apparently is Y2K upgradable. --Paul From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 9 05:38:39 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 06:38:39 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Free 64mb RAM for U5/10 Message-ID: I have a question about U5/10 RAM - I thought I saw somewhere that it was "optimal" to have 4 of the same size SDIMMs installed, i.e. 4x32 Meg, 4x64 Meg, because that allows the hardware to map the RAM in a particularly speedy way. Is this true? COuld anyone provide a better explaination than that? On a related topic - I guess I will be getting the Ultra 5 from Sun, since I just "won" a $200 (incl. S/H) SunPCi card (K6-2/400 w/64 Meg RAM) at one of Sun's auction partners ( http://www.teksell.com ). That seemed a good deal to me. Thanks for any advice, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > Due to circumstances, I'll have 64mb (2 x 32mb) of RAM for an Ultra 5/10 > available soon.. I'm in a generous mood, so if you've got an U5/10, need > RAM, and have a good reason why I should give it to YOU instead of someone > else, let me know. 8-) From jon at jonworld.com Tue May 9 05:55:58 2000 From: jon at jonworld.com (Jonathan Katz) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Free 64mb RAM for U5/10 Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: :I have a question about U5/10 RAM - I thought I saw somewhere that it was :"optimal" to have 4 of the same size SDIMMs installed, i.e. 4x32 Meg, 4x64 Meg, :because that allows the hardware to map the RAM in a particularly speedy way. :Is this true? COuld anyone provide a better explaination than that? The term is called 'interleaving' and the more consistant you have the RAM the better. I don't know about the desktops, but that 4 sounds right. That would allow for 'one-way' interleaving-- interleaving on a single bank. On servers (e3k and up) you do 8 or 16 chips on a processor/IO board at the same time and make sure you have the same amount (of the same type) of RAM on the other IO/processor boards. That allows for interleaving between the boards which can make things speedy. On the E450s there are 4 banks for 4 chips each. You can do 2-way or 4-way interleaving-- 4 way is when all 4 banks are interleaved and 2-way is when one of the two banks is interleaved. I hope that helps! -- -Jon Jonathan Katz = J. Random BOFH = http://jonworld.com = jon at jonworld.com Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347 "I ... scaled these city walls only to be with you, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for." -- Bono From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 9 06:55:23 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:55:23 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Free 64mb RAM for U5/10 Message-ID: Thanks - that helps me understand the issues involved. I assume that by having one-way interleaving my (anticipated) U5 would perform better than a simialry equipped system with, say, two-way interleaving (two dis-similar banks of RAM, say 2x64 Meg and 2x32 Meg), right? The system I will be getting will have 2x64 Meg RAM, and while more RAM would be nice (like the RAM Bill is making available), I suspect that I would soon want 256 Meg RAM, then I would find myself in the same position Bill is is, 2x32 Meg sitting on the shelf idle. That is not to say I wouldn't be interested in Bill's 2x32 Meg RAM for U5/10s if he were to offer them (I'd pay shipping + a couple DVDs from your wishlist), of course... But if I am going to pay retail for my own RAM, I'd prefer to go for optimal speed w 4x64 Meg RAM. Bill - is the RAM still available? Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net (aka khansen at njcc.com) Jonathan Katz wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > :I have a question about U5/10 RAM - I thought I saw somewhere that it was > :"optimal" to have 4 of the same size SDIMMs installed, i.e. 4x32 Meg, 4x64 Meg, > :because that allows the hardware to map the RAM in a particularly speedy way. > :Is this true? COuld anyone provide a better explaination than that? > > The term is called 'interleaving' and the more consistant you have the RAM > the better. > > I don't know about the desktops, but that 4 sounds right. That would allow > for 'one-way' interleaving-- interleaving on a single bank. On servers (e3k > and up) you do 8 or 16 chips on a processor/IO board at the same time > and make sure you have the same amount (of the same type) of RAM on the > other IO/processor boards. That allows for interleaving between the boards > which can make things speedy. From Ed.Mitchell at centigram.com Tue May 9 08:37:23 2000 From: Ed.Mitchell at centigram.com (Ed.Mitchell at centigram.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:37:23 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff Message-ID: Hey d00d... Where ya at? If it's feasible, I'd rescue all of it, minus the monitor...one more of those and the wife officially disowns me! Ed From: Dale Riley on 05/09/2000 03:03 AM GMT Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org To: sparc-list at redhat.com, rescue at sunhelp.org, packrats at sunhelp.org cc: (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram) Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff Hi, I hope this isn't spam... I've got an SS2 that is non working (no video card), it has 64meg ram and a 19" monitor. I picked it up with several others. Now I have to move 2000 miles and I dont want to drag it along. does anyone want it? free. I also have a 8 gig raid tower ((4) 2 gig drives) and a couple spare 2 gig drives not in a case. I'f I cant give this stuff away it goes out with the trash. All I ask is that you pick up the actual cost of shipping (however you want it shipped). I realize that this stuff may not be worth the cost of shipping but if anyone wants it........................ Dale _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From tom at yarrish.com Tue May 9 08:38:12 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:38:12 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Sorry about the HTML, the windows client I was using had it turned on when I thought it was turned off. Thanks for the help, Tom (P.S. - THIS client shouldn't send HTML) -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Leblanc To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org' Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: RE: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX >Please don't send HTML email, some mail clients don't like it, and it takes >up far more space than is worthwhile in my mailbox. :-) From mcguire at neurotica.com Tue May 9 14:18:20 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: On May 9, James Lockwood wrote: > Solaris 1.1 = SunOS 4.1.3A. The latest (4.1.4) would be Solaris 1.1.2. > SunOS 4 for sun3 has been made freely downloadable, maybe someone at Sun > would be open to the same for Sparc? Doubtful, at least not anytime soon...there are far too many people still running it commercially for sun to consider it "dead", regardless of how much they'd like to. -Dave McGuire From james at foonly.com Tue May 9 14:45:20 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2000, Dave McGuire wrote: > On May 9, James Lockwood wrote: > > Solaris 1.1 = SunOS 4.1.3A. The latest (4.1.4) would be Solaris 1.1.2. > > SunOS 4 for sun3 has been made freely downloadable, maybe someone at Sun > > would be open to the same for Sparc? > > Doubtful, at least not anytime soon...there are far too many people > still running it commercially for sun to consider it "dead", > regardless of how much they'd like to. Sun already considers it "dead" for the most part, the only patches that are being made available for it are for show-stopping problems. The same treatment that is being given to Solaris 2 license-wise would be welcome. They're not making any money off of new software sales, you can't even buy SunOS 4 from Sun. Online:Disksuite would also be extremely useful, the 2GB partition limit gets old fast. -James From martin at dsres.com Tue May 9 15:29:49 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:29:49 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: James Lockwood wrote: > Sun already considers it "dead" for the most part, the only patches that > are being made available for it are for show-stopping problems. The same > treatment that is being given to Solaris 2 license-wise would be welcome. > They're not making any money off of new software sales, you can't even buy > SunOS 4 from Sun. I'd also like them to do a similar thing for 2.5.1. It just seems so much more solid than any more recent version (only just ordered 8, though). Mind you, the full set of patches would be several CDs in their own right... What would be the best, though, would be for them to do what DEC did with Ultrix, and release the full source for SunOS 4 to the Unix Preservation Society, so anyone with a 32V source licence could get source. I'm not sure how much of the 10th Edition/SysV stuff in SunOS 4 was done by Sun, though. If that was AT&T's, then there would be problems. Has anyone ever asked them about things like this? Does anyone have any useful contacts? --m From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Tue May 9 18:18:58 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:18:58 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the Sun 2 article? -- Paul Khoury Tech Support pkhoury3 at earthlink.net From martin at dsres.com Tue May 9 19:12:37 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:12:37 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > Sun 2 article? Works fine for me. --m From tom at yarrish.com Tue May 9 20:21:01 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:21:01 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: (Hopefully the HTML will be turned off this time) Okay, I've switched the SCSI ID of the CDROM to 6, and the machine boots up to a different prompt. During the startup it tries to mount /dev/sd3gon /usr, but errors out with a No such device or address. Then it says fsck: No such file or directory - Unknown error in reboot fsck. Then I get a big warning message about how the file systems have not been remounted read/write and I have to run fsck and then boot into single user mode. Then I get a # prompt, in which I can basically do nothing. Now there's nothing on this system I need to keep, I'm going to wipe out the drives anyway, but I want to boot of the CDROM to install Debian. It looks like it sees all the devices I have connected (I'm assuming that esp0 refers to external scsi peripheral or something). Again I'd appreciate any help. Thanks ahead of time, Tom *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/8/2000 at 11:54 PM Bill Bradford wrote: >Move the CD-ROM to SCSI ID 6 (standard for a Sun cdrom) and then >try "boot sd(0,6,2)" instead of "boot cdrom" - you've got an old >openboot ROM. > >Bill > >On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:31:03PM -0500, Tom Yarrish wrote: >> Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen: >> Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 File and args: >> Illegal Instruction >> Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode) >> > >> (so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt) >> Then I get: >> Rebooting with command: oot cdrom >> Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 >> root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 >> Boot: oot >> Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2) >> copen: bad vn_open >> boot failed >> root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 >> Boot: >> I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device. >> If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it. >> Thanks, >> Tom > >-- >+--------------------+-------------------+ >| Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | >+--------------------+-------------------+ >| mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | >+--------------------+-------------------+ >_______________________________________________ >Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From martin at dsres.com Tue May 9 20:59:10 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:59:10 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Tom Yarrish wrote: > Okay, I've switched the SCSI ID of the CDROM to 6, and the machine > boots up to a different prompt. With `b' or with `b sd(0,6,2)' ? > During the startup it tries to mount /dev/sd3gon /usr, but errors out > with a No such device or address. Sounds like you're booting off the hard disk, but it was originally configured with external disks as well, which are either missing or have the wrong SCSI IDs. If you're going to wipe everything, don't worry about this. > Then it says fsck: No such file or directory - Unknown error in reboot > fsck. Then I get a big warning message about how the file systems have > not been remounted read/write and I have to run fsck and then boot into > single user mode. Then I get a # prompt, in which I can basically do > nothing. This is all just it booting into SunOS, but with important disks missing (because they were originally external or suchlike). > Now there's nothing on this system I need to keep, I'm going to wipe > out the drives anyway, but I want to boot of the CDROM to install Debian. > It looks like it sees all the devices I have connected (I'm assuming that > esp0 refers to external scsi peripheral or something). esp0 is the first SCSI controller. If you want to see if it's found all the devices, get it to the `b for boot, ...' prompt, and type `n'. That will get you to an `ok' prompt. Then type `probe-scsi-all', which will print out a list of all the SCSI devices found. >From the `ok' prompt you may find that `boot cdrom' will work. Otherwise, do a `b sd(0,6,2)' from the `b for boot, ...' prompt, as Bill suggested. --m From tom at yarrish.com Tue May 9 21:31:58 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:31:58 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Okay, so the question becomes, how do I get it to that prompt where I can type "b". If I do it at the # prompt, I get a b: not found. Basically right now it's not booting the same as before. I'm guessing if I put the SCSI ID for the CDROM back to 3, I'll get the prompt I want, but if the SCSI ID should be on 6, then it seems like that point is moot. Thanks again, Tom *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/10/00 at 2:59 AM Martin Frost wrote: >Tom Yarrish wrote: > >> Okay, I've switched the SCSI ID of the CDROM to 6, and the machine >> boots up to a different prompt. > >With `b' or with `b sd(0,6,2)' ? > >> During the startup it tries to mount /dev/sd3gon /usr, but errors out >> with a No such device or address. > >Sounds like you're booting off the hard disk, but it was originally >configured with external disks as well, which are either missing or >have the wrong SCSI IDs. If you're going to wipe everything, don't >worry about this. > >> Then it says fsck: No such file or directory - Unknown error in reboot >> fsck. Then I get a big warning message about how the file systems have >> not been remounted read/write and I have to run fsck and then boot into >> single user mode. Then I get a # prompt, in which I can basically do >> nothing. > >This is all just it booting into SunOS, but with important disks missing >(because they were originally external or suchlike). > >> Now there's nothing on this system I need to keep, I'm going to wipe >> out the drives anyway, but I want to boot of the CDROM to install Debian. >> It looks like it sees all the devices I have connected (I'm assuming that >> esp0 refers to external scsi peripheral or something). > >esp0 is the first SCSI controller. > >If you want to see if it's found all the devices, get it to the >`b for boot, ...' prompt, and type `n'. That will get you to an >`ok' prompt. Then type `probe-scsi-all', which will print out >a list of all the SCSI devices found. > >>From the `ok' prompt you may find that `boot cdrom' will work. >Otherwise, do a `b sd(0,6,2)' from the `b for boot, ...' prompt, >as Bill suggested. > >--m >_______________________________________________ >Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From martin at dsres.com Tue May 9 21:43:09 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:43:09 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Tom Yarrish wrote: > Okay, so the question becomes, how do I get it to that prompt where I > can type "b". If you're using it with a real keyboard and monitor, type L1-A. (The L1 key may be labelled `Stop' if you have a recent keyboard.) If you're using a serial console, send it a break. (Consult your terminal or terminal emulator's documentation.) You can do this at any point, unless the machine has crashed very hard (rare). In general, it's not a good idea to do it when the OS is running, but since the worst that can happen is that you lose data from the disks, and you're going to wipe them anyway, just do it. ;) It also goes to that prompt if there is a complete failure to boot the kernel, which is why you saw it before. --m From tom at yarrish.com Tue May 9 22:08:58 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 22:08:58 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: To all who helped, Thanks a lot, I got the CD booting and I'm running the Debian install now. Again I appreciate the help. Thanks, Tom *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/10/00 at 3:43 AM Martin Frost wrote: >Tom Yarrish wrote: > >> Okay, so the question becomes, how do I get it to that prompt where I >> can type "b". > >If you're using it with a real keyboard and monitor, type L1-A. >(The L1 key may be labelled `Stop' if you have a recent keyboard.) > >If you're using a serial console, send it a break. (Consult your >terminal or terminal emulator's documentation.) > >You can do this at any point, unless the machine has crashed very >hard (rare). In general, it's not a good idea to do it when the OS >is running, but since the worst that can happen is that you lose >data from the disks, and you're going to wipe them anyway, just do it. ;) > >It also goes to that prompt if there is a complete failure to boot >the kernel, which is why you saw it before. > >--m >_______________________________________________ >Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From ido at physics.utexas.edu Tue May 9 23:47:35 2000 From: ido at physics.utexas.edu (Ido Dubrawsky) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:47:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] I'm the proverbial Bull in a China Sparc Station Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Martin Frost wrote: > Kirwan Marty wrote: > > > Not really paying attention to what I was > > doing I removed the card and heard a noise that shouldn't have been there. > > This Ram expansion card had a cellophane-like ribbon cable attached that > > connected the side of the card to an 8-pin connector on the motherboard > > next to the power supply. The ribbon has a number on it, 530-1814-02. > > In finer print is another number 270-182902 REV 01. Does anyone have any > > idea where I might find a new cable? > > You won't be able to find another cable, unless you can find someone > with a broken board and an intact cable. SS2 memory boards are so old > now that you probably can't even get the part from Sun. > > If there are only eight wires, maybe you could solder a bit of normal > 8-core ribbon onto the board. It's useless with the cable damaged, so > you've got nothing to lose. > The boards are very rare...I know of a guy here in Austin who has a bunch of them...his store is called Mr. Notebook and he's on 24th st...I think his web page is www.mrnotebook.com. Can't tell you more than that...when I got my 32MB card from him (about a year ago, I got it for ~$100...Rave Computer wanted like $300 for it...if they had it...and other resellers of old Suns were just as bad). I'd try soldering an 8-core ribbon cable onto the board first since, as mentioned above, you've got nothing to lose... Good Luck, Ido -- Ido Dubrawsky Team Lead, UNIX and Network Systems E-mail: ido at globeset.com Infrastructure Systems/Facilties Globeset.com Austin, TX From dbarile at interserv.com Wed May 10 00:37:44 2000 From: dbarile at interserv.com (Darryl Barile) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:37:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB Sparcstation 1 "foot" Message-ID: Hi!! I'm looking for the little purple foot (one of four) that attaches to the bottom back side of my Sun Sparc 1. I bought the machine without it and it looks so sad sitting there on three feet. Thanks Darryl From paul at atgi.net Wed May 10 01:27:14 2000 From: paul at atgi.net (Paul Theodoropoulos) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:27:14 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] /etc/path_to_inst Message-ID: I knew I had forgotten some details regarding /etc/path_to_inst WRT moving a boot disk from one architecture to another. Following is an old saved post, which covers what I left out. >From: Casper.Dik at Holland.Sun.Com (Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,aus.computers.sun,alt.sys.sun >Subject: Re: SS-LX to SS-20 upgrade - how to modify devices, etc. + Q on CPU's >Date: 1 Nov 1998 13:43:18 GMT >Organization: Sun Microsystems, Netherlands >Lines: 25 >Message-ID: >References: <71fb79$mgk$1 at lios.apana.org.au> ><71fkj3$mra$1 at lios.apana.org.au> >NNTP-Posting-Host: room101.holland.sun.com >Mail-Copies-To: never >Xref: news.ncal.verio.com comp.sys.sun.hardware:68612 >aus.computers.sun:4270 alt.sys.sun:13038 > >[[ PLEASE DON'T SEND ME EMAIL COPIES OF POSTINGS ]] > >cdewick at lios.apana.org.au (Craig Dewick) writes: > > >I know that I can do that with SunOS 4.x, however I'm running SunOS 5.6 (aka > >Solaris 2.6), so the problem is a more difficult one to solve. I know > >someone here in Sydney that has done it, but I can't for the life of me find > >where I saved her email about how to do it! > >The biggest problem is when you have / and /usr and/or /var split over >multiple >fielsystems. Singel user boot (w/ -r) will work, but you can't mount >any filesystems because the device tree is shot. You can't regenerate the >device tree unless you can mount /usr (and you may require /var also) > >echo '#path_to_inst_bootstrap_1" > /etc/path_to_inst > >followed by a "boot -r" may get you somewhere; >but if you can't mount /usr, you're toast. > >Casper >-- >Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related >to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. >Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may >be fiction rather than truth. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Theodoropoulos | paul at atgi.net | Senior Unix Systems Administrator Internet Services Div. | Advanced TelCom Group Inc. | Santa Rosa, CA US From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 10 01:55:44 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:55:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB Sparcstation 1 "foot" Message-ID: Darryl Barile wrote: > Hi!! > > I'm looking for the little purple foot (one of four) that attaches to the > bottom > back side of my Sun Sparc 1. I bought the machine without it and it looks so > sad > sitting there on three feet. > > Thanks > Darryl > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue Which foot? I have one. Mik e N From pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk Wed May 10 04:40:55 2000 From: pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk (Peter Joules) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:40:55 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: At 01:12 10/05/2000 +0100, you wrote: >Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > Sun 2 article? > >Works fine for me. What Sun 2 article - am I missing something as I have a Sun 2. -- Regards Pete From brt at osk.sema.se Wed May 10 06:13:22 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:13:22 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Peter Joules wrote: > > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > > Sun 2 article? > > > >Works fine for me. > > What Sun 2 article - am I missing something as I have a Sun 2. Same here. For some reason that thread never arrived to me... (makes me wonder what else I've missed over the years) /Regards, Bjorn From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 10 07:17:04 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:17:04 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Read the new news announcements on the sunhelp.org page. 8-) I've got a scanned copy of a sun-2 review from '84. bill On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:13:22PM +0200, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote: > Peter Joules wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > > > Sun 2 article? > > > > > >Works fine for me. > > > > What Sun 2 article - am I missing something as I have a Sun 2. > > Same here. > For some reason that thread never arrived to me... > (makes me wonder what else I've missed over the years) > > /Regards, Bjorn > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Wed May 10 08:11:47 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: > Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > Sun 2 article? > > Works fine for me. Did I miss something? What article on Sun 2's? URL please? Thanks Bob From martin at dsres.com Wed May 10 08:18:32 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:18:32 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: BSD Bob wrote: > Did I miss something? What article on Sun 2's? URL please? http://www.sunhelp.org/archive/misc-info/sun2-review/ Fourth thing down on the SunHelp main page. --m From brt at osk.sema.se Wed May 10 08:23:19 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:23:19 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Bill Bradford wrote: > > Read the new news announcements on the sunhelp.org page. 8-) I've got a > scanned copy of a sun-2 review from '84. I just looked at that one right now. Cool. :-) Although, that doesn't explain the fact that I got a reply from Peter Joules, regarding a message I haven't seen on the mailinglist. Is there mail that never arrive to the listmembers? Lost in bit-space? > On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:13:22PM +0200, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote: > > Peter Joules wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > > > > Sun 2 article? > > > > > > > >Works fine for me. > > > > > > What Sun 2 article - am I missing something as I have a Sun 2. > > > > Same here. > > For some reason that thread never arrived to me... > > (makes me wonder what else I've missed over the years) From pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk Wed May 10 08:47:41 2000 From: pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk (Peter Joules) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:47:41 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: At 07:17 10/05/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Read the new news announcements on the sunhelp.org page. 8-) I've got a >scanned copy of a sun-2 review from '84. Ah.. I suppose I should read the website more often instead of just the list(s) ;-). Sorry Bill. -- Regards Pete From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 10 09:21:06 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:21:06 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Disk caddies/disks for RSM214 sparcstorage array Message-ID: Anybody know where I can get disk caddies (or even possibly disk caddies w/1gig disks installed) for a Sun RSM214 disk array? Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 10 17:53:22 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:53:22 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Ultra 1/140 (the SUNHELP box!) Message-ID: Dont worry, SUNHELP isnt shutting down. 8-) However, I *am* upgrading to a newer, faster server (UltraSPARC IIi-based, 300mhz) from our current Ultra 1/140 system which was donated by Marathon International a year ago. I'm purchasing the new system from them, but I need to sell the U1/140 to help cover the costs of the new machine. So, here's the system config: UltraSPARC 1/140 128mb RAM 4.2gig SCSI disk (I forget if its a Seagate or what, it comes up in "format" as a SUN 4.2GIG) Plextor 12x SCSI tray-loading CD-ROM drive (to be installed) CG3 or CG6 (whichever I can find, to be installed) video card Type 5 keyboard and mechanical mouse, set This system has been the SunHELP.ORG web server for just about a year now, but its time to put something faster up. So, if you're interested in owning a "piece of history" (hey, who am I kidding..) let me know, and make a reasonable offer. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From paul at partitura.com Wed May 10 20:03:35 2000 From: paul at partitura.com (Paul Phillips) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:03:35 -0600 Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra memory Message-ID: Hi, Bill - Did I lose out on that Ultra 5 memory to some other worthy soul? Paul Phillips ___________________________________________________ Paul Phillips Director of Orchestral Activities, Meadows School of the Arts Southern Methodist University "You must sing every note you play, sing even through the rests!" Arturo Toscanini From drjolt at redbrick.dcu.ie Wed May 10 20:45:47 2000 From: drjolt at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:45:47 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: Quoting <3918753D.CBB97FA2 at dsres.com> by Martin Frost : > James Lockwood wrote: > > > Sun already considers it "dead" for the most part, the only patches that > > are being made available for it are for show-stopping problems. The same > > treatment that is being given to Solaris 2 license-wise would be welcome. > > They're not making any money off of new software sales, you can't even buy > > SunOS 4 from Sun. > > I'd also like them to do a similar thing for 2.5.1. It just seems so > much more solid than any more recent version (only just ordered 8, > though). Mind you, the full set of patches would be several CDs in > their own right... ...and besides, 2.5.1, like any other version of solaris, is only as good as your patch set - I can well remember panicing a 2.5.1 machine which was a fileserver for an entire building with the setup_install_server shell script (hsfs bug) 8) -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 10 20:52:31 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:52:31 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IRIX 6.5 media Message-ID: Anybody have a set of IRIX 6.5 or 6.2 media they can copy for me? My 6.5 set got damaged 8-( Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Wed May 10 22:08:41 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:08:41 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Ultra 1/140 (the SUNHELP box!) Message-ID: Asking price? (he said, after buying a Sun PCi card for an Ultra5) Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > Dont worry, SUNHELP isnt shutting down. 8-) > > However, I *am* upgrading to a newer, faster > server (UltraSPARC IIi-based, 300mhz) from our > current Ultra 1/140 system which was donated by > Marathon International a year ago. > > I'm purchasing the new system from them, but > I need to sell the U1/140 to help cover the costs > of the new machine. > > So, here's the system config: > > UltraSPARC 1/140 > 128mb RAM > 4.2gig SCSI disk (I forget if its a Seagate or what, it comes up in > "format" as a SUN 4.2GIG) > Plextor 12x SCSI tray-loading CD-ROM drive (to be installed) > CG3 or CG6 (whichever I can find, to be installed) video card > Type 5 keyboard and mechanical mouse, set > > This system has been the SunHELP.ORG web server for just about a > year now, but its time to put something faster up. So, if you're > interested in owning a "piece of history" (hey, who am I kidding..) > let me know, and make a reasonable offer. > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Thu May 11 03:11:23 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 01:11:23 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCstation 10/20 or Ultra? Message-ID: Since I just got my nice tax refund, I'm in the market now for a cheap ($1-$320) SS10/20. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was browsing on eBay, particulary for local sellers, but was wondering if anyone here had any suggestions? I'd probably want at least an SM51 and 64MB of RAM, and a framebuffer. Don't want any storage devices, keyboard/mouse, or monitor. And what are basic Ultra 1's going for now (besides the former sunhelp.org server)? Thanks, Paul From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 11 05:19:14 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 05:19:14 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Calling Reagen Ward Message-ID: Reagen - you out there? My mail to you has bounced lately. Give me a holler. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Thu May 11 10:31:40 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:31:40 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCstation 10/20 or Ultra? Message-ID: Paul Khoury wrote: > > Since I just got my nice tax refund, I'm in the market now for a cheap > ($1-$320) SS10/20. Does anyone have any suggestions? > I was browsing on eBay, particulary for local sellers, but was wondering > if anyone here had any suggestions? I'd probably want at least an > SM51 and 64MB of RAM, and a framebuffer. > Don't want any storage devices, keyboard/mouse, or monitor. > MemoryX is expensive (relatively) but they have good stuff. Everything is "a la carte" for SS20s at MemoryX, which may work out for your. If all you need is th abre unit and a processor, give them a look. Also check out the retailer's section on the sunhelp site - lots of good deals to be found there if you do some investigating. Kurt From bobk at sinister.com Thu May 11 10:49:46 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: I have an Integrix S20V SVGA card for Sbus that I would like to trade for a similar sun 13w3 card, or sell. Don't try to trade me cg3 or cg6 stuff, I've got enough of those already and know they suck ;) I am also in need of a case & power supply for a sparcstation 5. If anyone has one for sale/trade, let me know. bob keyes damned yankee http://subgenius.org From james at foonly.com Thu May 11 12:50:12 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2000, bobk wrote: > I have an Integrix S20V SVGA card for Sbus that I would like to trade for > a similar sun 13w3 card, or sell. Don't try to trade me cg3 or cg6 stuff, > I've got enough of those already and know they suck ;) >From what I remember, the S20V is an 8bpp unit of moderate speed. The TGX+ cg6 is the fastest sbus framebuffer ever produced, so I fail to see why the cg6 family would "suck". Support for 24-bpp sbus framebuffers is dismal, and most are quite slow. If 8bpp is acceptable then the cg6 is the way to go. -James From twmaster at earthlink.net Thu May 11 12:57:00 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:57:00 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCstation 10/20 or Ultra? Message-ID: I have 10/20's and ultra 1's in stock, what be your pleasure? Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt Huhn To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SPARCstation 10/20 or Ultra? > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > Since I just got my nice tax refund, I'm in the market now for a cheap > > ($1-$320) SS10/20. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > I was browsing on eBay, particulary for local sellers, but was wondering > > if anyone here had any suggestions? I'd probably want at least an > > SM51 and 64MB of RAM, and a framebuffer. > > Don't want any storage devices, keyboard/mouse, or monitor. > > > > > MemoryX is expensive (relatively) but they have good stuff. > Everything is "a la carte" for SS20s at MemoryX, which may work out > for your. If all you need is th abre unit and a processor, give them > a look. Also check out the retailer's section on the sunhelp site - > lots of good deals to be found there if you do some investigating. > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From twmaster at earthlink.net Thu May 11 13:23:44 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:23:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: > On Thu, 11 May 2000, bobk wrote: > I have an Integrix S20V SVGA card for Sbus that I would like to trade for > a similar sun 13w3 card, or sell. Don't try to trade me cg3 or cg6 stuff, > I've got enough of those already and know they suck ;) CG6's suck? The Integrix is nothing better than a fast CG6. If you can find someone to trade you a 24 bit framebuffer for that let me know I have some to trade too.... Mike N From bobk at sinister.com Thu May 11 14:58:02 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: OK folks, MEA CULPA: I had a bunch of email from people about my post, essentially saying I was on crack because I was saying the cg6 was crap when I didn't have anything better to trade with. Well, I had been told that the Integrix S20V was a 24 bit card! Some digging (no thanks to the manufacturer) indicated that it is only an 8 bit card. I had thought I could trade the S20V for a nice ZX. I guess that will be a bit hard. I'd just like to get something a little bit better than 8 bit graphics. Netscape looks like total crud in 8 bits. From erico at bendcable.com Thu May 11 15:22:51 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:22:51 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: Yeah, you might want a ZX, or if you have a SS5 I'd find an S24, those are good, but only work in the AFX? slot of a Sparc5. If you have a 10/20 you might shoot for SX graphics. All these options will give you 24 bit color, albeit slow. Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobk" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card > OK folks, MEA CULPA: > > I had a bunch of email from people about my post, essentially saying I was > on crack because I was saying the cg6 was crap when I didn't have anything > better to trade with. Well, I had been told that the Integrix S20V was a > 24 bit card! Some digging (no thanks to the manufacturer) indicated that > it is only an 8 bit card. > > I had thought I could trade the S20V for a nice ZX. I guess that will be a > bit hard. I'd just like to get something a little bit better than 8 bit > graphics. Netscape looks like total crud in 8 bits. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 11 16:30:43 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:30:43 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 03:58:02PM -0400, bobk wrote: > I had thought I could trade the S20V for a nice ZX. Wait a minute. Did you just use "nice" and "ZX" in the same sentence? ZX is only okay as a "if you absolutely POSITIVELY HAVE TO HAVE 24bit and dont care about speed" card.... its at least twice as slow as a S24/SX, and about 4-5x as slow as a cg6. When running in full TrueColor mode, you can watch your desktop redraw. Plus, no support after 2.6. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From james at foonly.com Thu May 11 17:10:54 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2000, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > Yeah, you might want a ZX, or if you have a SS5 I'd find an S24, those are > good, but > only work in the AFX? slot of a Sparc5. If you have a 10/20 you might shoot > for SX graphics. > > All these options will give you 24 bit color, albeit slow. Of those 3, the SX is easily the fastest. Next is the S24 and shortly behind is the ZX. My SS20/SX feels about 80% as fast as it did with a TGX. Not bad considering it's got 4 times as much data to push across the bus. I used to use a SS2/GT as an Xterminal, and with that you could watch the pixels being drawn on the screen. -James From randall at csonline.net Thu May 11 18:37:27 2000 From: randall at csonline.net (Eric Randall) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:37:27 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Anyone want a VME Memory Expansion Board out of a 690MP? Message-ID: I've got a Sun VME memory board number 501-1901. It has 64 30 pin slots and is double width. I don't know if it works or really how to test it. No simms are on it. It came out of a 690MP. I don't know its value but will trade for any number of Sun things. You can let me know what you think is fair. Some of the things I'm thinking of trading for are: - a 411 disk case (44 watt ps) full front, good working. - a ST12400N disk - good working. - a cg6(GX) sbus card, single slot (it can SUCK, but it has to work). - some Sun ball caps (you know, with suede-like bill and lettering that you can hardly read...cool). Or make some suggestions. Thanks. Eric Randall -- Nay, but the idea may be like the day which is one and the same in many places at once, and yet continuous with itself; in this way each idea may be one; and the same in all at the same time. -Socrates From scohen at acxiom.com Fri May 12 08:10:23 2000 From: scohen at acxiom.com (scohen - Stephen Cohen) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:10:23 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: Can anything be done to/for an IPX to enhance its graphics processing? It has an on-board CG6, I believe. I've run a very simple, seat-of-the-pants test on my IPX. For example, Netscape, when run with the display redirected over to my NT workstation (running exceed), is much faster. I understand that the CPU cycles to work the screens are the responsibility of the NT and that the NT, at 300Mhz, is far more powerful than my Weitek PowerUp 80Mhz IPX. But how much work is needed simply to manage a GUI? Regards, Steve From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Fri May 12 12:04:55 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:04:55 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: There *may* be something you can do... A few questions: What are you using built-in CG6 (assumed)? A TurboGX+ would be a faster add-in card, as it allows "double buffering" (I assume this means it shows one screen while drawing next). What OS are you using? Solaris can take advantage of built-in hardware acceleration, Linux can not - the same may be true for other *free* OSs. What hardware do you have - is RAM maxed out (64 Meg I think, without add-in RAM card)? Stock CPU? Old HD? Faster components areound the CPU will free the CPU to perform better, hopefully speeding up graphics. What other processes are running on this box - do they have to be runnig on this box? An IPX is much slower than a SCSI- based P75 PC running Linux or other Free *OS*, you should only run what is needed. A Weitek processor is nice, but it still performs I/O with the system at 40 Mhz, not 80 Mhz. CPU-bound code will be improved, but I/O-bound code will see minimal/no improvement in my opinion. And for most folks, the cost of a Weitek CPU is too high when compared with other SPARC systems. An upgrade to a Sun4M machine would probably be more beneficial (i.e. Axil 220, low-end SS/5, etc.). The Weitek processor you have is responsible for *everything* on the screen, while the WinNT box has an advanced set of drivers allowing it to off-load many graphic requests to the video card. What would it take to have SPARC Linux use hardware acceleration, like a TurboGX+ card? I would love to see that happen - is it just impossible (i.e. Sun won't release needed info), or not worth it (as in it would be a great effort to code for such a "classic" framebuffer)? HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net scohen - Stephen Cohen wrote: > Can anything be done to/for an IPX to enhance its graphics processing? It > has an on-board CG6, I believe. > > I've run a very simple, seat-of-the-pants test on my IPX. For example, > Netscape, when run with the display redirected over to my NT workstation > (running exceed), is much faster. I understand that the CPU cycles to work > the screens are the responsibility of the NT and that the NT, at 300Mhz, is > far more powerful than my Weitek PowerUp 80Mhz IPX. But how much work is > needed simply to manage a GUI? > > Regards, > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From james at foonly.com Fri May 12 12:36:58 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > What OS are you using? Solaris can take advantage of built-in > hardware acceleration, Linux can not - the same may be true > for other *free* OSs. This is not quite true. Graphics acceleration is a function of the X server, and the OG X11 cg6 drivers perform quite well. > What would it take to have SPARC Linux use hardware acceleration, > like a TurboGX+ card? I would love to see that happen - is it just > impossible (i.e. Sun won't release needed info), or not worth it (as in > it would be a great effort to code for such a "classic" framebuffer)? The cg6 had a very open spec and drivers for it have been in the mainstream X server for quite a long time. The extra acceleration features provided by the TGX+ are largely transparent and should kick in automatically. Many, many people were using MIT X11 under SunOS 4 with cg6 cards. It's cards with relatively small production runs (cg12, leo, etc) that are the real problem driver-wise. -James From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Fri May 12 14:53:43 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:53:43 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2000 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT), bobk wrote: > >I had thought I could trade the S20V for a nice ZX. I guess that will be a >bit hard. I'd just like to get something a little bit better than 8 bit >graphics. Netscape looks like total crud in 8 bits. > Unfortunately. And when Netscape actually runs for that matter. I'm using Outlook Express 5 for email on my SPARC, because I haven't had the time for the last month to configure another mail client, and Netscape is too buggy. Also, was support for the ZX stopped after 2.6, or maybe I'm thinking of something else? Is the ZX aka the Leo? Paul From mj at energetic.uct.ac.za Sat May 13 14:48:19 2000 From: mj at energetic.uct.ac.za (Michael-John Turner) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:48:19 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Tatung Mariner 4i Message-ID: Hi all I've just acquired an old Tatung Mariner 4i, a SPARC-based machine, and need a bit of help finding more info on it. It's rather odd in a number of ways: - kernel arch is mars4sprat (app arch is sun4) - it has an ISA Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller to which the boot disk (A FH Seagate) and PC-style 3.5" drive are connected - it uses a standard PC-style DIN keyboard connector (albeit with a custom Tatung keyboard with a Sun-style layout) - it has a PC-style large desktop case Inside, it has 8x30pin SIMM slots on the motherboard, 2 or 3 ISA slots (I'm not near the machine ATM so I can't confirm) and what I think are 2 SBus slots. There's what I think is a cgtwelve in one of those and a memory expansion board in the other (the latter has 16x30 pin SIMM slots, 8 of which are currently occupied). AFAICS, the only other ports are 2 serial and one for the optical mouse Here's the dmesg output: SunOS Release 4.1.2 (RolfKernel.v1.0) #2: Thu Jul 31 14:40:30 GMT+0200 1997 Copyright (c) 1990-1992, Tatung Company Portions Copyright (c) 1983-1990, Sun Microsystems, Inc. cpu = mariner4i mem = 16384K (0x1000000) avail mem = 13918208 Ethernet address = 0:80:3f:10:2:a5 aha0: Using default addr 0x330 aha0: atio8 0x82000330 pri 3 atirq 14 atdma 5 aha0: firmware revision A005 aha0 at atio8 0xffffffff scsibus0 at aha0 slave 56 sd0 at aha0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: fdc0 at atio8 0x820003f2 pri 2 atirq 6 fd0 at fdc0 slave 0 zs0 at obio 0x84400000 pri 6 atkbd0 at obio 0x82000060 pri 6 le0 at obio 0x85000000 pri 5 cgthree0 at vidmem 0x8e000000 pri 8 iostop0 at obmem 0x84c00000 pri 7 atirq 11 lkupbdev: returning 0 root on sd0a fstype 4.2 swap on sd0b fstype spec size 33390K dump on sd0b fstype spec size 33376K Has anyone ever seen one of these? Can they run standard SunOS 4.1.x? -mj -- Michael-John Turner | http://www.edr.uct.ac.za/~mj/ mj at debian.org | Open Source in WC ZA - http://www.clug.org.za/ mj at phantom.eri.uct.ac.za | GPG/PGP key via mail, WWW or finger @phantom From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat May 13 18:45:53 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:45:53 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN stuff (wireless) Message-ID: I just picked up two original Proxim RangeLAN/ISA cards and a still-new-in-box Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA card (complete with manual and drivers for win 3.1!). Anybody know if these are still of any use today? Would be nice if I would use them for Internet sharing (e.g., 486 laptop on the back porch connecting to a 486 gateway wiht a proxim card and a normal ethernet card, in here...etc) I can get 3-4 more of the ISA cards for RIDICULOUSLY low prices, btw. bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From shall1 at columbus.rr.com Sat May 13 20:08:17 2000 From: shall1 at columbus.rr.com (Sheldon T. Hall) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:08:17 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN stuff (wireless) Message-ID: On Saturday, May 13, 2000 7:45 PM, Bill Bradford wrote: > I just picked up two original Proxim RangeLAN/ISA cards and a still-new-in-box > Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA card (complete with manual and drivers for win 3.1!). > > Anybody know if these are still of any use today? Would be nice if I would > use them for Internet sharing (e.g., 486 laptop on the back porch connecting > to a 486 gateway wiht a proxim card and a normal ethernet card, in here...etc) > > I can get 3-4 more of the ISA cards for RIDICULOUSLY low prices, btw. I've never heard of those cards, but if they come with (or you can find) a "packet driver," you can use them with IPRoute, a clever DOS-based router/NAT thing that will run on a single-floppy '386 or better. -Shel From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Sat May 13 23:22:11 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:22:11 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN stuff (wireless) Message-ID: Bill Bradford wrote: > > I just picked up two original Proxim RangeLAN/ISA cards and a still-new-in-box > Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA card (complete with manual and drivers for win 3.1!). > > Anybody know if these are still of any use today? Would be nice if I would > use them for Internet sharing (e.g., 486 laptop on the back porch connecting > to a 486 gateway wiht a proxim card and a normal ethernet card, in here...etc) > > I can get 3-4 more of the ISA cards for RIDICULOUSLY low prices, btw. > > bill > >From what I know, these cards are not on the list of Windows95/98/NT hardware. However, since at least the PCMCIA card has Win3.1 drivers, they might just be. I'm fairly certain NT and Win95 won't support them, but Win98 might. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that other OSs won't support them. Kurt From mrbill at mrbill.net Sun May 14 19:30:15 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:30:15 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] [non-sun] need suggestions Message-ID: Okay, here's the situation. A few weeks back, I emailed for suggestions on how to hook up a DVD player that only had A/V direct out, to my TV that only had RF/Antenna in. Here's what I ended up doing: ----------- ___________ ___________________________ ________ |dvd player|-->--| RF |-->--|sat receiver|sat receiver|-->--|TV ANT| |A/V out | |modulator| |antenna in |RF out | | IN | ------------ ----------- --------------------------- -------- However, yesterday, I replaced the satelite receiver with a digital cable box. Digital cable box has A/V out, svideo out, dolby digital sound out, cable in, and RF/TV antenna out. I figure the easiest way to do this is to find a good A/V A/B switch that lets me pick between two A/V (composite plugs) sources, and hook the output of that to the RF modulator, which then goes to the TV antenna in. (run direct A/V out from both the dvd player and cable box). Any other suggestions, other than just dropping the $$$ on a TV with RF *and* A/V in? 8-) bill +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From dbarile at interserv.com Sun May 14 19:57:39 2000 From: dbarile at interserv.com (Darryl Barile) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:57:39 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] "Strange" video input card Message-ID: "Hi Again" I've come across a 'strange' (meaning I haven't seen it before) video input card out of a Sparc 5. It's part number is 501-2232. Its an Sbus card with two 'video in" port, and a single 'S-video in" port. There is also the label 'Sun Video" on the card along with a green led. Obviously this is a video capture card of some sort. A look through the FAQs and Sun docs makes some mention of the software and it's operation. However there isn't (or I haven't seen) a good concise description of the card's specs and capabilities. If any one could point me in the correct direction I'd appreciated it. I'd also appreciate any pointers to sites where I could search by part number. I've tried at Sun but I generally don't get any hits. I'm sure there is a place for this. Would the Field Engineer's CDROM be the place to find this?? Thanks Darryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Nicewonger To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] WTB Sparcstation 1 "foot" > Darryl Barile wrote: > > > Hi!! > > > > I'm looking for the little purple foot (one of four) that attaches to the > > bottom > > back side of my Sun Sparc 1. I bought the machine without it and it looks so > > sad > > sitting there on three feet. > > > > Thanks > > Darryl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > Which foot? > > I have one. > > Mik e N > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From jeisch at boku.net Sun May 14 19:50:55 2000 From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:50:55 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anyone need this? (for NT, yeah, I know.) Message-ID: Hi All, I have a copy of Intel LANDesk Manegement Suite 6.3 for NT and Netware. 10 node licenses. Still shrinkwraped. Someone can have it for the cost of shipping, but if you want to give me money or hardware for it, I'd be thrilled. Especially if you have any wide SCSI hard drives.... -Jonathan From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Mon May 15 00:38:59 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:38:59 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Termcap entries Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get termcap entries for Wyse 60, VT320, etc? Obviously, Solaris' termcap file is quite dated. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Khoury Tech Support pkhoury3 at earthlink.net From hyena at interport.net Mon May 15 05:02:23 2000 From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:02:23 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun Tapes Message-ID: Im not sure if this is useful to anyone or even legal to distribute, but I just recieved the following tape ... 1.3.1 Sun(tm) FORTRAN Sun-3(tm) Sun-4(tm) Sun386i(tm) SUNBIN 1/4" TAPE (tar format, QIC24), 1 of 1 Part Number: 700-2452-11 Rev. A Is it legal to copy this tape image and upload it like the other Sun3 stuff? Is it even useful to anyone? Chris From james at foonly.com Mon May 15 02:17:04 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Termcap entries Message-ID: On Sun, 14 May 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get termcap entries for Wyse 60, VT320, etc? > Obviously, Solaris' termcap file is quite dated. Solaris normally uses terminfo, termcap is only there for backwards compatibility. At least 15 different types of Wyse terminals have entries as well as countless variations. man terminfo for more details. Look in /usr/local/share/terminfo for the files. -James From pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk Mon May 15 05:40:28 2000 From: pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk (Peter Joules) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:40:28 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun Tapes Message-ID: At 03:02 15/05/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Im not sure if this is useful to anyone or even legal to distribute, but I >just >recieved the following tape ... > >1.3.1 Sun(tm) FORTRAN >Sun-3(tm) Sun-4(tm) Sun386i(tm) SUNBIN >1/4" TAPE (tar format, QIC24), 1 of 1 >Part Number: 700-2452-11 Rev. A Subject to the legalities of publishing it I would certainly be interested in downloading a copy. I have never used FORTRAN but it would be nice to play with it on my 386i. -- Regards Pete From james at foonly.com Mon May 15 05:59:19 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] "Strange" video input card Message-ID: On Sun, 14 May 2000, Darryl Barile wrote: > However there isn't (or I haven't seen) a good concise description of the > card's specs and > capabilities. NTSC or PAL, and it's reasonably fast. Actual frame capture rate will depend on how much CPU you have in your system. > I'd also appreciate any pointers to sites where I could search by part > number. I've tried at Sun but I > generally don't get any hits. I'm sure there is a place for this. Would the > Field Engineer's CDROM > be the place to find this?? One of many. A good way to start is simply to search for the p/n across the web (Altavista/Google/etc) and Dejanews, usually one of those resources will turn something up. -James From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 15 07:10:39 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:10:39 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: Good to hear - I remembered that the acceleration for SPARC framebuffers was poorly sipported, but now that I think about it, I have not looked into it for quite a while. I am happy to be corrected, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net James Lockwood wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > What OS are you using? Solaris can take advantage of built-in > > hardware acceleration, Linux can not - the same may be true > > for other *free* OSs. > > This is not quite true. Graphics acceleration is a function of the X > server, and the OG X11 cg6 drivers perform quite well. > > > What would it take to have SPARC Linux use hardware acceleration, > > like a TurboGX+ card? I would love to see that happen - is it just > > impossible (i.e. Sun won't release needed info), or not worth it (as in > > it would be a great effort to code for such a "classic" framebuffer)? > > The cg6 had a very open spec and drivers for it have been in the > mainstream X server for quite a long time. The extra acceleration > features provided by the TGX+ are largely transparent and should kick in > automatically. Many, many people were using MIT X11 under SunOS 4 with > cg6 cards. > > It's cards with relatively small production runs (cg12, leo, etc) that are > the real problem driver-wise. From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 15 07:17:16 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:17:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Tatung Mariner 4i Message-ID: What an odd and interesting box - ISA and SBUS on the same board!? Please let us know as you learn about your new box... (You may want to put together a simple page with whatever info you find and giving it to Bill, as he was talking about adding a Sun-compatible hardware page to SunHelp.org)... Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Michael-John Turner wrote: > Hi all > > I've just acquired an old Tatung Mariner 4i, a SPARC-based machine, and > need a bit of help finding more info on it. It's rather odd in a number > of ways: > - kernel arch is mars4sprat (app arch is sun4) > - it has an ISA Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller to which the boot disk (A FH > Seagate) and PC-style 3.5" drive are connected > - it uses a standard PC-style DIN keyboard connector (albeit with a custom > Tatung keyboard with a Sun-style layout) > - it has a PC-style large desktop case > > Inside, it has 8x30pin SIMM slots on the motherboard, 2 or 3 ISA slots (I'm > not near the machine ATM so I can't confirm) and what I think are 2 SBus > slots. There's what I think is a cgtwelve in one of those and a memory > expansion board in the other (the latter has 16x30 pin SIMM slots, 8 of > which are currently occupied). AFAICS, the only other ports are 2 serial > and one for the optical mouse > > Here's the dmesg output: > > SunOS Release 4.1.2 (RolfKernel.v1.0) #2: Thu Jul 31 14:40:30 GMT+0200 1997 > Copyright (c) 1990-1992, Tatung Company > Portions Copyright (c) 1983-1990, Sun Microsystems, Inc. > cpu = mariner4i > mem = 16384K (0x1000000) > avail mem = 13918208 > Ethernet address = 0:80:3f:10:2:a5 > aha0: Using default addr 0x330 > aha0: atio8 0x82000330 pri 3 atirq 14 atdma 5 > aha0: firmware revision A005 > aha0 at atio8 0xffffffff > scsibus0 at aha0 slave 56 > sd0 at aha0 target 0 lun 0 > sd0: > fdc0 at atio8 0x820003f2 pri 2 atirq 6 > fd0 at fdc0 slave 0 > zs0 at obio 0x84400000 pri 6 > atkbd0 at obio 0x82000060 pri 6 > le0 at obio 0x85000000 pri 5 > cgthree0 at vidmem 0x8e000000 pri 8 > iostop0 at obmem 0x84c00000 pri 7 atirq 11 > lkupbdev: returning 0 > root on sd0a fstype 4.2 > swap on sd0b fstype spec size 33390K > dump on sd0b fstype spec size 33376K > > Has anyone ever seen one of these? Can they run standard SunOS 4.1.x? > > -mj > -- > Michael-John Turner | http://www.edr.uct.ac.za/~mj/ > mj at debian.org | Open Source in WC ZA - http://www.clug.org.za/ > mj at phantom.eri.uct.ac.za | GPG/PGP key via mail, WWW or finger @phantom > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From james at foonly.com Mon May 15 07:33:35 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 05:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Mon, 15 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > Good to hear - I remembered that the acceleration for SPARC framebuffers > was poorly sipported, but now that I think about it, I have not looked into > it for quite a while. I am happy to be corrected, I suspect that what you've heard has been that Linux _console_ was/is lacking in accelerated support. The MIT X11 server contained accelerated cg6 code before Linux was ever released for x86, let alone for SPARC. -James From josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us Mon May 15 09:14:50 2000 From: josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us (Josh Kuperman) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:14:50 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] esp0: Gross error sreg=51 Message-ID: We received a donation of four Sparc 10s. I found two matching CPUs so I bought more memory and a 9G scsi drive and figured I'd make a really powerful server machine. I'm running Debian Linux and I am having some odd problems. Some may be with the Multiprocessor Kernel I don't really know how to tell. So I'm taking things one at a time. One problem I have repeatedly is "esp0: Gross error sreg=51", which I believe has something to do with the SCSI bus. I was told that this is most likely caused by a hardware problem, SCSI termination, improperly formatting the hard drive, improperly set jumpers on drive or mother board, and that this list was the best place to ask for help with such things. -- Josh Kuperman josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 15 09:58:02 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:58:02 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] esp0: Gross error sreg=51 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Kuperman [mailto:josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:15 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] esp0: Gross error sreg=51 > > We received a donation of four Sparc 10s. I found two matching CPUs so > I bought more memory and a 9G scsi drive and figured I'd make a really > powerful server machine. > > I'm running Debian Linux and I am having some odd problems. Some may > be with the Multiprocessor Kernel I don't really know how to tell. So > I'm taking things one at a time. One problem I have repeatedly is > "esp0: Gross error sreg=51", which I believe has something to do with > the SCSI bus. Yeah, esp0 is the first SCSI bus. How do you have the SCSI devices configured on this machine? Any external disks? Any internal disks? A cdrom? > I was told that this is most likely caused by a hardware problem, SCSI > termination, improperly formatting the hard drive, improperly set > jumpers on drive or mother board, and that this list was the best > place to ask for help with such things. Now who told you a silly thing like that? :-) Grego From pwz at pghfamily.net Mon May 15 12:40:48 2000 From: pwz at pghfamily.net (pwz ii) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:40:48 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Drivers for Tech Source SBus video card Message-ID: Picked up som parts and pieces over the week end. In the box was a Tech-Source SBus frame buffer. The model/serial numbe info is missing from the card based on the description of a switch for adjustable resolutions and the keyboard connection on the card, I'd say it was GXTRA card. Any Ideas where I can get drivers for this puppy ? Looks like you can set up an extra terminal off your sparc with it. Any info for it would be handy. Thanks pwz ii From drouse at arlington.newsargus.com Mon May 15 12:53:43 2000 From: drouse at arlington.newsargus.com (David Rouse) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Drivers for Tech Source SBus video card Message-ID: > Picked up som parts and pieces over the week end. > > In the box was a Tech-Source SBus frame buffer. > The model/serial numbe info is missing from the card > based on the description of a switch for adjustable resolutions > and the keyboard connection on the card, I'd say it was > GXTRA card. Any Ideas where I can get drivers for this > puppy ? Looks like you can set up an extra terminal > off your sparc with it. Any info for it would be handy. Try the web site: www.techsource.com. They were pretty helpful when I contacted them and I see a 'Download' section on the main page. -- David Rouse Network Manager Goldsboro News-Argus From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 15 13:37:24 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:37:24 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN wireless ethernet available Message-ID: I've got two original Proxim RangeLAN/ISA wireless ethernet cards as well as a new-in-box Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA card, available for sale/trade for anything nifty and electronic. I've got all the DOS/NDIS/ODI/Novell and Windows 3.x drivers for the cards; they *do not* work under Windows 95 and above. Contact me if interested. bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kris at hiwaay.net Mon May 15 13:46:04 2000 From: kris at hiwaay.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:46:04 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Stubborn Seagate 9.1gb Barracuda -- won't format. Help! Message-ID: Stefan Hames wrote: > > > > >If it's vibrating, it sounds likely to be a bad drive. > >Do you know what the ID is set to? > > > >Make sure it's not on ID 7. > > Hmmm. I thought that Sun SCA drives got their ID from the backplane > on SparcStation 5s. As far as I remember there are no jumpers > installed . I'm not at my office; I'll check when I go in. However, > it seems have an id of 3 set, which is as it should be for the first > drive on the backplane, I think. > > >Sounds like it's not initializing correctly, thus it's reporting it's not > >ready. IIRC, a Seagate Barricuda will refuse the format command unless it's SCSI ID has been set to zero. Something to thing about when setting up your servers.... root:barricuda: {9} camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass0,da0) at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass1,da1) at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass2,cd0) at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass3,cd1) at scbus0 target 8 lun 0 (pass4,da2) ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." From mj at energetic.uct.ac.za Mon May 15 14:11:19 2000 From: mj at energetic.uct.ac.za (Michael-John Turner) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:11:19 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Tatung Mariner 4i Message-ID: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:17:16AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > What an odd and interesting box - ISA and SBUS on the same board!? > > Please let us know as you learn about your new box... (You may want to > put together a simple page with whatever info you find and giving it to > Bill, as he was talking about adding a Sun-compatible hardware page to > SunHelp.org)... Yes, it is a _very_ odd machine. I'll borrow a digicam shortly and put some pics online so everyone can marvel in its weirdness :) -mj -- Michael-John Turner | http://www.edr.uct.ac.za/~mj/ mj at debian.org | Open Source in WC ZA - http://www.clug.org.za/ mj at phantom.eri.uct.ac.za | GPG/PGP key via mail, WWW or finger @phantom From josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us Mon May 15 14:26:16 2000 From: josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us (Josh Kuperman) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:26:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] esp0: Gross error sreg=51 Message-ID: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 07:58:02AM -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Josh Kuperman [mailto:josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us] > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:15 AM [snip] > > > > I'm running Debian Linux and I am having some odd problems. Some may > > be with the Multiprocessor Kernel I don't really know how to tell. So > > I'm taking things one at a time. One problem I have repeatedly is > > "esp0: Gross error sreg=51", which I believe has something to do with > > the SCSI bus. > > Yeah, esp0 is the first SCSI bus. How do you have the SCSI devices > configured on this machine? Any external disks? Any internal disks? A > cdrom? It is a Seagate ST39216N in the middle drive bay - drive bay 0. I left it as SCSI disk 0. All of the jumpers are as it came. After reading your response I thought perhaps my problem was the lack of a drive attached to the corner drive bay so I put one of the old ST1480N (I'm not sure of the actual number) drives that was originally in one of the machines in. Just in case that was needed for the drive to be properly terminated - of course it was set to be disk3 (or should I say target 3.) The only options that can be changed with jumpers that might be relevant are the target ID, single-ended only, or termination power. I don't think any of them should be needed on an SS10. (I could be wrong -- again.) The only truly odd thing I've noticed, other than the error is that from the OpenBoot program (i.e. after stop-a) when I type probe-scsi or probe-scsi-all the info for the Seagate ST39216N contains a form-feed that gets picked up so I can't see the output. Any other devices display normally. -- Josh Kuperman josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 15 15:28:22 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:28:22 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Stubborn Seagate 9.1gb Barracuda -- won't format. Help! Message-ID: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:46:04PM -0500, Kris Kirby wrote: > IIRC, a Seagate Barricuda will refuse the format command unless it's > SCSI ID has been set to zero. Something to thing about when setting up > your servers.... > root:barricuda: {9} camcontrol devlist > at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass0,da0) > at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass1,da1) > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass2,cd0) > at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass3,cd1) > at scbus0 target 8 lun 0 (pass4,da2) You mean SCSI id, or LUN? I've never had a problem formatting a Barracuda drive at *any* SCSI ID.... (unless it conflicted with something already on the chain, of course). My kingdom, my kingdom, for some ST15150Ns... -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kris at hiwaay.net Mon May 15 14:51:15 2000 From: kris at hiwaay.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:51:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Stubborn Seagate 9.1gb Barracuda -- won't format. Help! Message-ID: > You mean SCSI id, or LUN? I've never had a problem formatting a Barracuda > drive at *any* SCSI ID.... (unless it conflicted with something already on > the chain, of course). I mean ID, not lun. My example was to show that I have no devices on id 0. That's intentional. It would *really* suck to get rooted and have your hard drive formatted instead of rm -rf'd. > My kingdom, my kingdom, for some ST15150Ns... Yuck. I prefer ST34's. I live in the wrong part of the world to need heat. ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." From ankh at canuck.gen.nz Tue May 16 00:17:45 2000 From: ankh at canuck.gen.nz (J. S. Connell) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 01:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN stuff (wireless) Message-ID: On Sat, 13 May 2000, Kurt Huhn wrote: > From what I know, these cards are not on the list of Windows95/98/NT > hardware. However, since at least the PCMCIA card has Win3.1 > drivers, they might just be. I'm fairly certain NT and Win95 won't > support them, but Win98 might. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that other > OSs won't support them. I've used them under both Windows 95 and Linux. An ISP I once worked for was attempting to use diskless Linux boxes as routers for a wireless network that never got off the ground, and I did all the Linux work. They're okay, but on the slow side - the WaveLAN is a much better choice. IIRC Proxim never officially released Linux drivers - they were done by a Proxim employee on his own time, and binary-only. Proxim themselves (of course) supplied drivers for various OSes with the cards. --Jeff From kurt at csh.rit.edu Tue May 16 14:08:43 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: I have permission to post this from my co-worker now.... :) www.teksell.com My co-worker just got an Ultra 2 w 2 300Mhz CPUs (4M cache) 256MB RAM, Creator 2D, 2G hard drive and a 21" inch color monitor for $3075 It's an auction type site... and apparently this Ultra 2 was new... I'm jealous of him, wish I had $3000 for an Ultra 2 :) --Kurt -- From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 16 14:28:09 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:28:09 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 03:08:43PM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > I have permission to post this from my co-worker now.... :) > www.teksell.com > My co-worker just got an Ultra 2 w 2 300Mhz CPUs (4M cache) > 256MB RAM, Creator 2D, 2G hard drive and a 21" inch color > monitor for $3075 > It's an auction type site... and apparently this Ultra 2 was new... > I'm jealous of him, wish I had $3000 for an Ultra 2 :) > --Kurt Sun is now auctioning off workstations on eBay and TekSell . . . Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 16 15:39:44 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] seagate 4.5gig SCA disks cheap Message-ID: www.scsistuff.com has Seagate ST15150WC - 4.5 gig Barracuda 1.6" high, 7200 rpm U/W for 59$ a couple ppl mentioned intrest in these. Anyone know of a nice case for 1.6inch sca drives? Nick From pwz at pghfamily.net Tue May 16 16:46:05 2000 From: pwz at pghfamily.net (pwz ii) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:46:05 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Drivers for Tech Source SBus video card Message-ID: I had found the site before I posted to the list. They list downloads for the PCI products but not for these GXTRA cards in the download sections. I have sent them a e-mail query about the drivers, but haven't recieved a response as of yet. Thanks pwz ii ********************************************* Try the web site: www.techsource.com. They were pretty helpful when I contacted them and I see a 'Download' section on the main page. -- David Rouse Network Manager Goldsboro News-Argus From james at foonly.com Tue May 16 18:18:07 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Drivers for Tech Source SBus video card Message-ID: On Tue, 16 May 2000, pwz ii wrote: > I had found the site before I posted to the list. They list downloads for > the PCI > products but not for these GXTRA cards in the download sections. > I have sent them a e-mail query about the drivers, but haven't recieved a > response as of yet. >From what I remember, the GXTRA is just a GX (cg6) with 2 serial ports onboard for using a secondary keyboard and mouse. You can use it as-is with the Sun X server, or download the doubleX package to use the extra kb/mouse ports for a different seat. doubleX also works with normal serial ports if you build a simple cable, it's an easy way to add extra users to one powerful machine. An Ultra 450 with enough RAM can support 5-6 interactive seats without breaking a sweat most of the time (using a terminal server for extra ports). -James From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed May 17 00:41:59 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:41:59 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Solbourne S4000 Message-ID: Anybody know anything much about this machine? I may be having a friend bring one down for me. It's supposedly a "Sun4" compatible, but that could really mean just about anything. I'm looking at http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~dowdy/Solbourne/, and http://www.nts.gssc.com/solbourne.html, as references, but, as they say, the more the merrier. Later, Greg |---------------------------------------------------| | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try | | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to | | continue. | | < Ok > | |---------------------------------------------------| (sigline nicked from Jayan M on comp.os.linux.misc) From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 17 02:30:04 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 02:30:04 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules Message-ID: I've got three SM100 CPU modules (Ross, dual 40mhz, no-cache, SPARC, most commonly found on 4/6x0MP systems): Sun Part # 370-1388 Serial #s: 40 01 9235 -08 REV G 40 01 9203 -07 REV A 40 01 9229 -07 REV C Will trade for anything useful or some 4mb 30pin parity SIMMs, or a combination of 4mb and 1mb 30pin parity SIMMs - I just want to get the 4/670MP to boot. 8-) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 17 02:49:05 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 03:49:05 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] HAL Computer (Fujitsu?) Message-ID: Hi All, I was at one of my favorite used computer dealers the other day and saw an odd box, said HAL series 300 on it, best info I can find says it is some kind of SPARC. What is it? It has S-Bus slots. What does it run for OS? Experiences, opinions? Thanks, Mike N From james at foonly.com Wed May 17 02:59:46 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: [Packrats] HAL Computer (Fujitsu?) Message-ID: On Wed, 17 May 2000, Mike Nicewonger wrote: > Hi All, > > I was at one of my favorite used computer dealers the other day and saw an > odd box, said HAL series 300 on it, best info I can find says it is some > kind of SPARC. What is it? It has S-Bus slots. What does it run for OS? > Experiences, opinions? Neat box. HAL was originally independant and eventually became an autonomous division of Fujitsu. The HALstations were the first 64-bit SPARC machines ever produced, but since they predated the UltraSparc (sparcv9) HAL extended sparcv8 in different ways. No VIS, etc. Their chip design was known as SPARC64. They ran a modified version of Solaris 2.4 (called HalOS) originally, I believe that HAL went as far as 2.5.1 for the SPARC64 machines. Normal Solaris will not run on these systems, HalOS was full 64-bit from the start and beat Sun to the punch in this by nearly 4 years. The 300 was the original line, circa 1995. The 330 was a 100MHz SPARC64 box, the 350 was 118MHz. Both had a split 128/128 I/D L1 cache and no L2 cache. Scott Metcalf, the former CEO of HAL, is now CEO of the company I work for. Great guy. -James From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 17 03:18:35 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 04:18:35 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Re: [Packrats] HAL Computer (Fujitsu?) Message-ID: >UltraSparc (sparcv9) HAL extended sparcv8 in different ways. Just to clarify, is the sparcv9 the ultra sparc? Mike N From james at foonly.com Wed May 17 03:24:25 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff!!! (southern california) Message-ID: Just in case anyone in the L.A. area is interested: * * * FREE * * * Partially working GDM-20D10 monitor, picture is visible but garbled Fully functional Zenith 20" grayscale, 1280x1024x76Hz Fully functional IBM 5081/19 monitors, 19" trinitron, 1280x1024 @ 60Hz or 1152x900 @ 66Hz, sync on green (qty 3). Almost free: Sun GDM-1662B premium trinitrons (16", 1152x900 @ 76Hz) terrific picture (qty 2). SparcStation ELC, 64MB RAM, clear and bright (best one I've ever seen) 2GB and 3GB Seagate Elite differential hard drives (5.25" FH). Exide 2000VA true sinewave UPS, almost new batteries, "quirky". Nudata 8-port Sun console switch, 13W3 and keyboard ports. Fully automatic, keyboard activated, no loss in picture quality. Will consider any and all offers, especially trades for telnettable terminal servers. Got to clean up and prepare for the move to the bay area in a few months. I really don't want to ship any of this (except the switch and the drives). Mail me off-list. BTW, anyone know any calculator collectors? I'm on the lookout for a Natsemi/Novus "Mathematician", circa 1976 (red LEDs, 9V). Lost mine years ago and I've been wanting another since. -James From james at foonly.com Wed May 17 03:27:36 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: [Packrats] HAL Computer (Fujitsu?) Message-ID: On Wed, 17 May 2000, Mike Nicewonger wrote: > >UltraSparc (sparcv9) HAL extended sparcv8 in different ways. > > Just to clarify, is the sparcv9 the ultra sparc? UltraSparc is Sun's implementation of sparcv9. The v9 spec didn't exist when SPARC64 was implemented, so it's off by itself. Fujitsu has since implemented v9, but the UltraSparc name is (tm) Sun. -James (MaxiSparc) From erico at bendcable.com Wed May 17 03:58:26 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:58:26 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules Message-ID: I was looking through some older sunrescue archives and I found something that SM100 cpu's wouldn't work on versions of Solaris higher then 2.6, and that they were very slow, slower then most uni-processor mbus modules. I recently almost made a deal to buy 3 of these SM100 modules for $200, and I backed out at the last minute after finding this information. This information is correct isn't it? Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradford" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:30 AM Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules > I've got three SM100 CPU modules (Ross, dual 40mhz, no-cache, SPARC, most > commonly found on 4/6x0MP systems): > > Sun Part # 370-1388 > > Serial #s: > 40 01 9235 -08 REV G > 40 01 9203 -07 REV A > 40 01 9229 -07 REV C > > Will trade for anything useful or some 4mb 30pin parity SIMMs, or > a combination of 4mb and 1mb 30pin parity SIMMs - I just want to > get the 4/670MP to boot. 8-) > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From erico at bendcable.com Wed May 17 04:01:48 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 02:01:48 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunHelp Site Message-ID: I'm not sure if I should post this here but... I noticed that the link to Solaris 2.x PC Card FAQ does not work, and at auctions.workstations.org the links off the main page to the various equipment catagories times out, but it might just be my internet connection, it's been acting funny. Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 17 06:57:08 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:57:08 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules Message-ID: On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:58:26AM -0700, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > I was looking through some older sunrescue archives and I found something > that SM100 cpu's wouldn't work on versions of Solaris higher then 2.6, > and that they were very slow, slower then most uni-processor mbus modules. > I recently almost made a deal to buy 3 of these SM100 modules for $200, > and I backed out at the last minute after finding this information. This > information is correct isn't it? Yep. The SM100 was one of the first (if not the first.. James?) mbus CPU modules. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From jeisch at boku.net Wed May 17 07:09:47 2000 From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:09:47 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff!!! (southern california) Message-ID: Hi James. I'd like the switch, so I don't have to keep on buying monitors when someone gives me a computer. I don't have the money for them. anyway, what's it worth? I'll see if I can find the money. -Jonathan James Lockwood wrote: > > Just in case anyone in the L.A. area is interested: > > * * * FREE * * * > > Partially working GDM-20D10 monitor, picture is visible but garbled > > Fully functional Zenith 20" grayscale, 1280x1024x76Hz > > Fully functional IBM 5081/19 monitors, 19" trinitron, 1280x1024 @ 60Hz or > 1152x900 @ 66Hz, sync on green (qty 3). > > Almost free: > > Sun GDM-1662B premium trinitrons (16", 1152x900 @ 76Hz) terrific picture > (qty 2). > > SparcStation ELC, 64MB RAM, clear and bright (best one I've ever seen) > > 2GB and 3GB Seagate Elite differential hard drives (5.25" FH). > > Exide 2000VA true sinewave UPS, almost new batteries, "quirky". > > Nudata 8-port Sun console switch, 13W3 and keyboard ports. Fully > automatic, keyboard activated, no loss in picture quality. Will consider > any and all offers, especially trades for telnettable terminal servers. > > Got to clean up and prepare for the move to the bay area in a few months. > I really don't want to ship any of this (except the switch and the > drives). > > Mail me off-list. > > BTW, anyone know any calculator collectors? I'm on the lookout for a > Natsemi/Novus "Mathematician", circa 1976 (red LEDs, 9V). Lost mine years > ago and I've been wanting another since. > > -James > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Thu May 18 11:32:49 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:32:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: I got my Sun PCi card (AMD 400 Mhz CPU, 64 Meg RAM) for $200 incl. free shipping for my (soon) to be purchased Ultra5 Educational Special at $1295. It is interesting to watch these units, sometimes the bids top $300, sometimes there are no bidders. I am happy with that price (at $200 that is just about $50 more than the CPU/RAM would cost "in the wild")... Just another data point... Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradford" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 03:08:43PM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > > I have permission to post this from my co-worker now.... :) > > www.teksell.com > > My co-worker just got an Ultra 2 w 2 300Mhz CPUs (4M cache) > > 256MB RAM, Creator 2D, 2G hard drive and a 21" inch color > > monitor for $3075 > > It's an auction type site... and apparently this Ultra 2 was new... > > I'm jealous of him, wish I had $3000 for an Ultra 2 :) > > --Kurt > > Sun is now auctioning off workstations on eBay and TekSell . . . From AlistairMacDonald at economist.com Wed May 17 11:57:23 2000 From: AlistairMacDonald at economist.com (Alistair MacDonald) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:57:23 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Solbourne S4000 Message-ID: Well, I've got one .... I can tell you that I haven't managed to boot OpenBSD or NetBSD from the floppy images, although some of their pages imply that the more compatible solbournes should boot. (I think this is one of the more compatible ones! The other 3 solbournes I have definately aren't!) If you do get it then I'd appreciate a copy of any installation tapes, or a tar of the FS because mine had a disk corruption and the installation tape appears to be dead just around the point where it installes the S4000 specific code. Aside from that, OS/MP appears to be very compatible with SunOS4. They used the 2 big machines I own at the University I used to work for, for 8 years and I don't recall a problem with any binaries in the period I was there. Alistair >>> Gregory Leblanc 05/17/00 06:41am >>> Anybody know anything much about this machine? I may be having a friend bring one down for me. It's supposedly a "Sun4" compatible, but that could really mean just about anything. I'm looking at http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~dowdy/Solbourne/, and http://www.nts.gssc.com/solbourne.html, as references, but, as they say, the more the merrier. Later, Greg |---------------------------------------------------| | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try | | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to | | continue. | | < Ok > | |---------------------------------------------------| (sigline nicked from Jayan M on comp.os.linux.misc) _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Thu May 18 12:45:57 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:45:57 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: Ok, I have to ask - how *great* is this system? Should I be concerned about being based on SBUS? I amplanning on getting an Ultra5 for $1295, but that has a 17" monitor (not 21"), 128 Meg RAM (not 256 Meg), and 1x360 Mhz CPU w/tiny cache vs. 2x300 Mhz w/LARGE cache. And, I would expect *each* 300 Mhz CPU w/2 Meg cache to perform about as well as a 360 Mhz CPU w/256K cache - correct? I don't *need* this speed, but if I were to add-on to my Ultra5, it would start to approach this price ($1295 + $225 for 128 Meg RAM + SCSI + larger monitor) and you are approaching $2300 - consider the bump in speed and maybe it makes sense to pay a little credit card debt... I am drawn to the Ultra 2, but am I asking for a more aggressive depreciation rate vs. an Ultra5 workstation (Which will be worth more in 12 mos.?)... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Mosiejczuk" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:08 PM Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > I have permission to post this from my co-worker now.... :) > > www.teksell.com > > My co-worker just got an Ultra 2 w 2 300Mhz CPUs (4M cache) > 256MB RAM, Creator 2D, 2G hard drive and a 21" inch color > monitor for $3075 > > It's an auction type site... and apparently this Ultra 2 was new... > > I'm jealous of him, wish I had $3000 for an Ultra 2 :) > > --Kurt > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From a222 at redrose.net Wed May 17 12:58:18 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:58:18 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: Hello, What a great resource! I just found out about this list and read thru the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. I recently got a 1000, which has two disk trays that slide into the lower XDBus slots. I am trying to figure out how to configure them. How are the SCSI IDs assigned? When I connect them to the SCSI slot in either first system board or the second system board, I get error messages from the esp (SCSI controller) when I boot. Any help, suggestions, greatly appreciated. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From james at foonly.com Wed May 17 13:16:12 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: On Thu, 18 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > Ok, I have to ask - how *great* is this system? Should I be concerned > about being based on SBUS? I amplanning on getting an Ultra5 for $1295, > but that has a 17" monitor (not 21"), 128 Meg RAM (not 256 Meg), and > 1x360 Mhz CPU w/tiny cache vs. 2x300 Mhz w/LARGE cache. And, Ultra 2 is IMHO the best sbus based desktop ever built. Really nice construction. > I would expect *each* 300 Mhz CPU w/2 Meg cache to perform about as > well as a 360 Mhz CPU w/256K cache - correct? The 300's will outperform the 360, especially in floating point. Memory bandwidth is also better on the 300's (main memory bus is 100MHz vs. 90MHz). > I don't *need* this speed, but if I were to add-on to my Ultra5, it would > start > to approach this price ($1295 + $225 for 128 Meg RAM + SCSI + larger > monitor) and you are approaching $2300 - consider the bump in speed and > maybe it makes sense to pay a little credit card debt... > > I am drawn to the Ultra 2, but am I asking for a more aggressive > depreciation > rate vs. an Ultra5 workstation (Which will be worth more in 12 mos.?)... U5's are everywhere and will depreciate rapidly (not quite as rapidly as PC's though). U2's will likely go down much more slowly, there's still a lot of sbus technology out there and people want to hang onto them. Sort of like the SS20 vs. the SS5, the 20 was top of the line and even though it was older it held onto a lot of value. Keep in mind that many U2's were $10k+ when new. Though usually sbus is slower than PCI, the Creator in the U2 will outperform the PGX24 in the U5 by a wide margin. For interactive use the U2 will be a screamer. That said, if you really don't need the extra speed the U5 is not a bad machine. -James From GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL Wed May 17 13:54:34 2000 From: GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL (Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:54:34 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: The actual error messages might be instructive... DG -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Giagnocavo [mailto:a222 at redrose.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:58 PM To: rescue at sunhelp.org Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Hello, What a great resource! I just found out about this list and read thru the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. I recently got a 1000, which has two disk trays that slide into the lower XDBus slots. I am trying to figure out how to configure them. How are the SCSI IDs assigned? When I connect them to the SCSI slot in either first system board or the second system board, I get error messages from the esp (SCSI controller) when I boot. Any help, suggestions, greatly appreciated. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From a222 at redrose.net Wed May 17 14:47:40 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:47:40 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: > The actual error messages might be instructive... > > DG OK, here is some more information: I have two drive trays. I only connected one, after placing ONE drive in the tray (all others were removed). probe-scsi-all gives: /io-unit at f,e1200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/esp at 1,80000 Target 2 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30548 /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 Target 0 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 Target 1 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 Target 2 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 Target 3 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 Target 5 Unit 0 Removable Tape EXABYTE EXB-8505SMBANSH20793 06644396 Target 6 Unit 0 Removable Read Only Device SONY CDU 561 SUNMSCD1.9K (I had to type this in, since I am using a Wyse 60 terminal on the Sun.) I have been trying to understand this output. Do I have 3 different SCSI interfaces on this system? Of just two, but one can handle 14 devices instead of 7? Or what? Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 17 17:31:48 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:31:48 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: In the front of that machine, behind the face cover and next to the open drive bays, there is mounting space for up to 4 3 1/2" hard disks, so I would bet they are connected to that bus. As for the other busses I dunno. Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Giagnocavo To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... > > The actual error messages might be instructive... > > > > DG > > OK, here is some more information: > > I have two drive trays. I only connected one, after placing ONE drive in > the tray (all others were removed). > > probe-scsi-all gives: > > /io-unit at f,e1200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 > > /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/esp at 1,80000 > Target 2 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30548 > > /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 > Target 0 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 1 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 2 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 3 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 5 > Unit 0 Removable Tape EXABYTE EXB-8505SMBANSH20793 06644396 > Target 6 > Unit 0 Removable Read Only Device SONY CDU 561 SUNMSCD1.9K > > (I had to type this in, since I am using a Wyse 60 terminal on the Sun.) > > I have been trying to understand this output. > > Do I have 3 different SCSI interfaces on this system? Of just two, but one > can handle 14 devices instead of 7? Or what? > > Cordially > > Patrick Giagnocavo > a222 at redrose.net > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Thu May 18 20:18:34 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:18:34 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: James, As always, thanks a ton - I appreciate your informed and reasoned response, and suspect I may go for the U2 machine: I failed to realize how expensive a 21" monitor really is! The best I can find for a reasonable Mfg. 21" PC monitor is $750 +/-, so add that cost to another 128 Meg of RAM and the Ultra5 is now a $2300 machine. Toss in a SCSI adapter (to boost performance) and you are now over $2500. The cost difference between the U5 (with it's faster depreciation rate) and the U2 (with it's dual CPUs, better graphics, and vastly improved performance based on fundamental design issues) and it approaches a no-brainer. If I go for this "whopper" of a system, I will have to purge *all* my other Sun SPARC bits (LX, SS5/70, SS10, etc. - but not the SPARCBook! ;^) to try and make up the cost. At my old company we bought an Ultra 2 when they first came out (?) about 3 - 4 years ago, and we spent a bundle on it... Ran a major software project on it (telcom, used several HSSI cards, lots of disks (heavy Oracle use) and I don't really think we stressed the system that much...) Shoot, guess my mind is made up, and now I got this Sun PCi card for a machine I probably will not get (Ultra5)... I guess I'll eBay it and hope to get my money back... But one thing is for sure - this will be a killer system! (I've even got SBUS SCSI and 4 port ethernet I could throw in the machine to make it fun...) Thanks again, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > Ok, I have to ask - how *great* is this system? Should I be concerned > > about being based on SBUS? I amplanning on getting an Ultra5 for $1295, > > but that has a 17" monitor (not 21"), 128 Meg RAM (not 256 Meg), and > > 1x360 Mhz CPU w/tiny cache vs. 2x300 Mhz w/LARGE cache. And, > > Ultra 2 is IMHO the best sbus based desktop ever built. Really nice > construction. > > > I would expect *each* 300 Mhz CPU w/2 Meg cache to perform about as > > well as a 360 Mhz CPU w/256K cache - correct? > > The 300's will outperform the 360, especially in floating point. Memory > bandwidth is also better on the 300's (main memory bus is 100MHz vs. > 90MHz). > > > I don't *need* this speed, but if I were to add-on to my Ultra5, it would > > start > > to approach this price ($1295 + $225 for 128 Meg RAM + SCSI + larger > > monitor) and you are approaching $2300 - consider the bump in speed and > > maybe it makes sense to pay a little credit card debt... > > > > I am drawn to the Ultra 2, but am I asking for a more aggressive > > depreciation > > rate vs. an Ultra5 workstation (Which will be worth more in 12 mos.?)... > > U5's are everywhere and will depreciate rapidly (not quite as rapidly as > PC's though). U2's will likely go down much more slowly, there's still a > lot of sbus technology out there and people want to hang onto them. Sort > of like the SS20 vs. the SS5, the 20 was top of the line and even though > it was older it held onto a lot of value. Keep in mind that many U2's > were $10k+ when new. > > Though usually sbus is slower than PCI, the Creator in the U2 will > outperform the PGX24 in the U5 by a wide margin. For interactive use the > U2 will be a screamer. > > That said, if you really don't need the extra speed the U5 is not a bad > machine. > > -James > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 17 20:57:38 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:57:38 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody got SGI Indigo2 parts? Message-ID: I got a Teal Indigo2 Extreme today, 128mb/2gig, with what was supposedly a bad power supply. I swapped out the PS with one that worked last time I tried it (admittedly, a year or so ago), and the system is still dead as a doornail when I try to power up - anybody have an I2 motherboard / PS / case they'll let go cheaply? I've already got cpu/ram/framebuffer/HD/etc; hopefully none of the other parts are fried. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From woods at weird.com Wed May 17 21:02:08 2000 From: woods at weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: > > > www.teksell.com Personally I'm not going to go anywhere near them the way they've currently got things set up -- they want *WAY* too much information for a registration and they require it before you can even browse!!!! -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From hyena at interport.net Thu May 18 01:10:06 2000 From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:10:06 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Free Sun 4/600 in California Message-ID: David Passmore (dpassmor at sneakers.org) has a Sun 4/600 up for grabs in Sunnyvale, CA. He said he was going to throw it out if not picked up. I figured none of us wants to see this happen, so I decided to post this here. I have no more info on this box, email David, not me, and be nice. ;) Chris Specs: 4/600 board, no processor, memory expansion board, combined 160MB. 12-slot rackmount VME chassis. Only condition, if you take the boards you have to take the chassis too. From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 17 23:24:57 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:24:57 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] old-style SPARCstorage Array prices? Message-ID: Anybody know what the going rate for one of the old-style SPARCstorage Arrays, with controller card and fiberoptic cable, is? I'm talking about the kind that normally came full of 30 1gig HDs... Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Fri May 19 05:30:38 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:30:38 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: >From their privacy policy: Our site's registration form requires users to give us contact information (like their name and email address) and demographic information (like their zip code, company size and IT budget). The customer's contact information is used to contact the visitor when necessary. Demographic and profile data is also collected at our site for the purpose of studying and refining our marketing efforts. I have no problem giving them the above information, and if such information requests keep the size of the bidding pool down, so much the better for me... They don't ask any questions that any "free to qualified buyers" trade publication asks for on a magazine subscription request - and there is no requirement that you be any more honest here ;^) Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg A. Woods" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > > > > www.teksell.com > > Personally I'm not going to go anywhere near them the way they've > currently got things set up -- they want *WAY* too much information for > a registration and they require it before you can even browse!!!! > > -- > Greg A. Woods > > +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP > Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Thu May 18 07:41:05 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:41:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCplug Message-ID: Hi All, I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. At the back of the main unit are three connectors. One is a 68-way micro-D connector for the flying lead to the ISA connections card. Another is a 50-way micro-D connector (SCSI?). The last looks like a 3/80 or SS1 motherboard power connector. There appears to be space in the base of the main unit for a low profile hard disk. There is no obvious way of connecting to it though (no 50-way IDC header plug). Am I missing a cable to take the SCSI from the main unit to an internal disk and to a external connector on an ISA back plate? Am I also missing a power cable assembly or can I just plug a SS1 power supply in? Will the SPARCplug take SuperSPARC MBus modules? Anyone with one of these critters? Chris. From woods at weird.com Thu May 18 08:47:44 2000 From: woods at weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: [ On Friday, May 19, 2000 at 06:30:38 (-0400), Ken Hansen wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > > Our site's registration form requires users to give us contact > information (like their name and email address) and demographic information > (like their zip code, company size and IT budget). The customer's contact > information is used to contact the visitor when necessary. Demographic and > profile data is also collected at our site for the purpose of studying and > refining our marketing efforts. yeah, but have you actually looked at the form and counted the number of "required" fields!?!?!? they REQUIRE a FAX number!!!!! anarchistic fools! > They don't ask any questions that any "free to qualified buyers" trade > publication asks for > on a magazine subscription request - and there is no requirement that you be > any more > honest here ;^) That's what I ended up doing, of course, but it still didn't work. Even when I supplied fake numbers (AREA-555-1212 comes to mind ;-) their form failed with some really stupid CGI error (i.e. not the page that says please go back and fill in the missing field(s)).... -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From ttaylor at techie.com Thu May 18 09:07:50 2000 From: ttaylor at techie.com (Trevor Taylor) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SGI bootable CD-ROM Message-ID: I looking to get a CD-ROM that will boot a SGI and install the OS. What I'm wondering is will the SUN/SGI bootable cd-rom drives that I see on E-bay (Most in 411 case) plug right into my SGI Indy? Or is there some kind of adapter I can use? Any advice would be great. Thanks, Trevor Taylor ____________________________________________________________ "One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/M d+@ s+: a?(---) C+++(++) UL++(+++)>++++ P+>+++ L++(+++)>++++ E- W++ N++ !o K- w(---) O- M-- V- PS--(---) PE Y+ PGP++ t+ 5?(---) X+ R(+) tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e(+)>++++ h*>++ r++ !y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ If you want to decode this code please go to http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ Or if you want to learn more about this code go to http://www.geekcode.com/.codes/geek3.1.html ____________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Thu May 18 09:16:50 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:16:50 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCplug Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Powell [mailto:Chris_Powell at mitel.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:41 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCplug > > Hi All, > > I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit > fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz > HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two > audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI > or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. Probably AUI, but I'm just guessing. > At the back of the main unit are three connectors. One is a 68-way > micro-D connector for the flying lead to the ISA connections card. > Another is a 50-way micro-D connector (SCSI?). Sounds like a good guess to me. > The last looks like > a 3/80 or SS1 motherboard power connector. > > There appears to be space in the base of the main unit for a low > profile hard disk. There is no obvious way of connecting to it > though (no 50-way IDC header plug). Are there any extra pin headers on the board anyplace? > Am I missing a cable to take the SCSI from the main unit to an > internal disk and to a external connector on an ISA back plate? > Am I also missing a power cable assembly or can I just plug a > SS1 power supply in? Will the SPARCplug take SuperSPARC MBus > modules? I'm not sure. Got a DC or know where anybody has some pictures of these? I don't think it would be worthwhile to put a SuperSPARC module in there, even if you could. The SM81 is the only CPU that would be faster than an HS125, and the speed difference wouldn't be that huge, I don't think. > Anyone with one of these critters? Not me, unless you want to give that one away... Greg From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Thu May 18 09:32:36 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun Tapes Message-ID: > recieved the following tape ... > > 1.3.1 Sun(tm) FORTRAN > Sun-3(tm) Sun-4(tm) Sun386i(tm) SUNBIN > 1/4" TAPE (tar format, QIC24), 1 of 1 > Part Number: 700-2452-11 Rev. A Pass it along to the sun3 archive keeper. It should probably be archived rather than become vaporware. Bob From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Thu May 18 09:50:12 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:50:12 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SGI bootable CD-ROM Message-ID: I have used a Sun part numbered CD-ROM (in 411 case) to boot my Indy with no special adapters. You need a cable, but other than that they attach directly. In the Indy, there isn't a capability to put a CD-ROM drive in the chassis without major modification. Kurt ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Taylor To: Sun Rescue Mailing list Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 10:07 AM Subject: [SunRescue] SGI bootable CD-ROM > I looking to get a CD-ROM that will boot a SGI and install the OS. What I'm > wondering is will the SUN/SGI bootable cd-rom drives that I see on E-bay > (Most in 411 case) plug right into my SGI Indy? Or is there some kind of > adapter I can use? Any advice would be great. > > Thanks, > Trevor Taylor > > ____________________________________________________________ > > "One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad > "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GCS/M d+@ s+: a?(---) C+++(++) UL++(+++)>++++ P+>+++ > L++(+++)>++++ E- W++ N++ !o K- w(---) O- M-- V- PS--(---) PE > Y+ PGP++ t+ 5?(---) X+ R(+) tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e(+)>++++ > h*>++ r++ !y+ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > If you want to decode this code please go to > http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ > > Or if you want to learn more about this code go to > http://www.geekcode.com/.codes/geek3.1.html > ____________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From koch at pz.pirmasens.de Thu May 18 18:04:28 2000 From: koch at pz.pirmasens.de (Peter Koch) Date: Thu, 18 May 00 18:04:28 MES Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules Message-ID: Hi! >Yep. The SM100 was one of the first (if not the first.. James?) mbus CPU >modules. Yes, i think so. Yesterday i had two of them in a SS10 and they worked! But the 40 MHz SuperSparc of the SM-40 is WAY faster than the 40 MHz Cypress CPU. I'd think even the 33 MHz SM-21 will beat the SM-100. But under SunOS 4.1.4, you can have 4 (in Words: FOUR) of them. So depending on the workload, 4 Cypress CPUs can be faster than a single SuperSparc CPU. Another thing: I have a bunch of 1 MB SIMMs for Sun 3/60 or Sun 3/80 here. I won't ship them over the pond, but i'm willing to give them to people in the european community fro free. All are tested, with parity, 70-100ns, 9 chip types. Tell me the serial# and ethernet address of your 3/60 or 3/80 and i'll send them to you! Tschuess Peter From twmaster at earthlink.net Thu May 18 19:18:36 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:18:36 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Need a horizaontal Creator 3D like yesterday. Message-ID: Hi all, I need a horizontal 3D creator card for a U1 like right now, lemme know if you have one or who would have the best deal on one, used preferably. I also need 32 and/or 64 MB memory for ss20, U1 and 2 etc. Cheers, Mike N From a222 at redrose.net Thu May 18 19:43:07 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:43:07 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Need a horizaontal Creator 3D like yesterday. Message-ID: > Hi all, I need a horizontal 3D creator card for a U1 like right now, lemme > know if you have one or who would have the best deal on one, used > preferably. > > I also need 32 and/or 64 MB memory for ss20, U1 and 2 etc. > > Cheers, > > Mike N You might want to check with Greg Douglas @ www.reputable.com. I think he has a Creator 3D plus some components in stock. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From a222 at redrose.net Thu May 18 19:52:52 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:52:52 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 problem solved... Message-ID: Hello, I thought I would post my experiences to the list, as they might prove helpful to someone in the future. I have a SS1000, dual CPU, 900MB RAM, with 2 disk cards to go in the lower XDBus slots. the front tray has tape, CDROM, and 4 500MB drives. In my configuration, there are 3 different SCSI adapters present. The right way to handle this is to realize that the first on-board SCSI adapter is the one that goes to the front tray. On my system, that is the built-in SCSI on the first board (one at the very "top" of the chassis). Thus, that chain is full and you shouldn't try to put any more devices on it (4 disks + 1 tape + 1 CDROM + 1 SCSI adapter = 7 device IDs, the maximum). Instead, plug one cable from one of the other available adapters into the disk cards SCSI in port and put a terminator on the SCSI out port. Ignore the third unlabeled SCSI connector on the disk card - I don't know what it does and the docs don't tell me either. Then plug another cable going from the third available adapter into the second disk card, terminating on the SCSI out port as well. Now, boot the system and go into the PROM. Type "probe-scsi-all" and make sure that all the devices are seen. You're done, right? No. In order to get Solaris (2.6 at least) to "see" the new SCSI devices, you need to "touch /reconfigure" as root. Then, do a cold reboot of the system (ie cycle power). Then, the new drives will be seen and you can make filesystems, etc on them. Hope this helps someone else. It was a pain for me to puzzle this out. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From mvergall at double-barrel.be Thu May 18 20:49:07 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:49:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 problem solved... Message-ID: The thing you can do under solaris is when you are in the prom monitor type "boot -r" and it will automatically configure the devices for you so there is no need to do a "touch /reconfigure" and cycle the power. Hope this helps. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Thu, 18 May 2000, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > > In order to get Solaris (2.6 at least) to "see" the new SCSI devices, you > need to "touch /reconfigure" as root. Then, do a cold reboot of the system > (ie cycle power). > > Then, the new drives will be seen and you can make filesystems, etc on them. > > Hope this helps someone else. It was a pain for me to puzzle this out. > > Cordially > > Patrick Giagnocavo > a222 at redrose.net > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 18 22:45:45 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:45:45 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 Message-ID: I'm still looking for a SS1000 if anyone has one for sale.. -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From erico at bendcable.com Fri May 19 00:48:06 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:48:06 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] External case w/4MM tape unit Message-ID: Hi everyone, I recently aquired a Sun 411 case with a 4MM tape backup drive. I hooked it up to my trusty SSLX running the newest install of NetBSD. The dmesg output looks good for this device and reports: st0 at scsibus0 targ 5 lun 0: SCSI2 1/sequential removable st0: density code 0x8c, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled Now I just need to see if it works correctly. I have a few 2/4GB tapes laying around and I would like to see if this thing actually works. What I need to know is how do I check to see what size this tape drive is, how do I format new tapes, how do I read/write to this tape, etc... Do I need some specialized tape backup software or can I just mount the device and pretend it's a disk? If anyone can give me a lead on where to find information on this, or can just give me a few hints it would be great. Thanks in advance.... Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN From twmaster at earthlink.net Fri May 19 01:20:55 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:20:55 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 Message-ID: Bill, I have an SS1000 for sale, I have 3 so time to clean out a bit. What config are you looking for? Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bradford To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:45 PM Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 > I'm still looking for a SS1000 if anyone has one for sale.. > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From twmaster at earthlink.net Fri May 19 01:39:54 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:39:54 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 Message-ID: Doh!! That was supposed to go private! Stupid me. MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Nicewonger To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 > Bill, > > I have an SS1000 for sale, I have 3 so time to clean out a bit. What config > are you looking for? > > Mike N > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bradford > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:45 PM > Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 > > > > I'm still looking for a SS1000 if anyone has one for sale.. > > > > -- > > +--------------------+-------------------+ > > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > > +--------------------+-------------------+ > > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > > +--------------------+-------------------+ > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Fri May 19 03:14:21 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:14:21 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] External case w/4MM tape unit Message-ID: On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 10:48:06PM -0700, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > Hi everyone, > I recently aquired a Sun 411 case with a 4MM tape backup drive. I hooked > it up to my trusty SSLX running the newest install of NetBSD. The dmesg > output > looks good for this device and reports: > st0 at scsibus0 targ 5 lun 0: SCSI2 > 1/sequential removable > st0: density code 0x8c, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled > Now I just need to see if it works correctly. I have a few 2/4GB tapes > laying around > and I would like to see if this thing actually works. What I need to know is > how do I > check to see what size this tape drive is, how do I format new tapes, how do > I read/write > to this tape, etc... Do I need some specialized tape backup software or can > I just mount > the device and pretend it's a disk? > If anyone can give me a lead on where to find information on this, or can > just give me a few > hints it would be great. "man mt" should tell ya everything you need to know. 8-) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Fri May 19 06:40:54 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:40:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] RE: SPARCplug Message-ID: > > I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit > > fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz > > HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two > > audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI > > or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. > > Probably AUI, but I'm just guessing. It's the 26-way micro-D thing, but judging by the number of PCB tracks going to it, it's a parallel port. But that means the SPARCplug has no obvious serial connections, despite having two 85C30 SCC chips on board (one is used for Sun keyboard/mouse). > > The last looks like > > a 3/80 or SS1 motherboard power connector. I've checked again and the connector is actually 14-way, not 12-way as on the 3/80. > > There appears to be space in the base of the main unit for a low > > profile hard disk. There is no obvious way of connecting to it > > though (no 50-way IDC header plug). > > Are there any extra pin headers on the board anyplace? Nope. A number of jumpers, but no SCSI header. Oh, it also has four LEDs on the front panel. One is power, one is hard disc, two are mystery LEDs with icons ((o)) and ))o((. > > Am I missing a cable to take the SCSI from the main unit to an > > internal disk and to a external connector on an ISA back plate? > > Am I also missing a power cable assembly or can I just plug a > > SS1 power supply in? Will the SPARCplug take SuperSPARC MBus > > modules? > > I'm not sure. Got a DC or know where anybody has some pictures of these? I DC? > don't think it would be worthwhile to put a SuperSPARC module in there, even > if you could. The SM81 is the only CPU that would be faster than an HS125, > and the speed difference wouldn't be that huge, I don't think. I was thinking of moving the HyperSPARC module to my SS10, and moving the 40MHz SuperSPARC from that to the SPARCplug. The HyperSPARC module is part #511-6224-01 (on the MBus connector) #270-6214-58 on the PCB. I know this is a 125MHz unit, but what size cache does it have? Will it work in a SPARCstation 10 (currently containing a 36MHz SuperSPARC)? Does the module support SMP? > > Anyone with one of these critters? > > Not me, unless you want to give that one away... I'm hanging on to it as it's so cute! Chris. From shall1 at columbus.rr.com Fri May 19 08:05:34 2000 From: shall1 at columbus.rr.com (Sheldon T. Hall) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:05:34 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] External case w/4MM tape unit Message-ID: On Friday, May 19, 2000 1:48 AM, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > I recently aquired a Sun 411 case with a 4MM tape backup drive. I hooked > it up to my trusty SSLX running the newest install of NetBSD. [snip] > What I need to know is how do I check to see what size this tape drive is ... I'd open the case and see what make/model the actual drive is, then check a website or two. > ... how do I format new tapes ... I haven't had to format mine, so I suspect that DDS tapes don't need formatting at all. Mine's an HP SureStore Tape 5000, which writes 2 gigs on DDS2 90 meter tapes. > how do I read/write to this tape, etc... Do I need some specialized tape backup > software or can I just mount the device and pretend it's a disk? I just use dump, or the Solaris equivalent. Here's my little backup script: #!/bin/sh # A script using UFSDUMP to backup the filesystems specified on the command line # # Basic script by Logan Shaw, "enhancements" by Sheldon T. Hall (8-18-99) PATH="/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" case $# in 0) echo "Usage: `basename $0` filesystem [filesystem ...]" echo " Backs up to the DDS tape the filesystem(s) specified, using" echo " ufsdump at the dump level specified in the environment variable" echo " LEVEL. Defaults to dump level 0, i.e. complete backup." echo " Other environment variables used are:" echo " TAPE - Tape drive, defaults to /dev/rmt/0n" exit 1 ;; *) ;; # OK esac # A Logging function so we can look like the big boys. log () { /bin/logger -p user.err -t "`/bin/basename $0`" $1 } TAPE=${TAPE:-/dev/rmt/0n} ; export TAPE LEVEL=${LEVEL:-0} ; export LEVEL msg1="System backup starting; save your work and log out now." msg2="System backup in progress; logins prohibited. Try again later." log "Starting level $LEVEL backup of $@" # Disable non-console logins, alert the users. echo "$msg2" > /etc/nologin if who then echo "$msg1" | wall -a sleep 60 fi # Actually do the work for fs in "$@" do mt status sync ; ufsdump "$LEVEL"acuf /etc/dump.TOC "$TAPE" "$fs" echo done # Re-enable non-console logins rm -f /etc/nologin # Check the tape and spit it out mt status mt offline # Do some clever logging sed 's/ / level /g' < /etc/dumpdates > /tmp/dumpdates # 15 spaces log "Level $LEVEL dump complete:" log "-f /tmp/dumpdates" rm -f /tmp/dumpdates # Done From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sat May 20 08:16:41 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:16:41 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] RE: SPARCplug Message-ID: My recollection is that the Ross SPARCPlug was designed to ultimately fit into *any* machine with a full-height 5 1/4" bay open, and some way to get the I/O to the back panel. As originally intended, this meant a PC box, but over time they started to sell them as standalone systems in external SCSI - type cases with a CD-ROM and HD. There were probably different pig tails that routed the various I/O ports to connectors, but I am sure they were all custom. If installed in a PC case, your main connection to it was over an ethernet port IIRC. Hope this helps, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Powell" To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: [SunRescue] RE: SPARCplug > > > > I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit > > > fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz > > > HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two > > > audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI > > > or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. From southwick at gibralter.net Fri May 19 08:35:47 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] External case w/4MM tape unit Message-ID: If you really have time to waste, and your just dying to 'format' those tapes type "mt erase". Then while the tape drive is chewing for a few hours you can do anything you want on your SSLX. I just do a "mt rewind" and run my backups. If you really want to get a the best backups take your system down to single user mode and make sure the non essental slices are unmounted. Then dump the slices to tape with the verify switch ( man your version of DUMP/UFSDUMP ). Have fun! Dan On Fri, 19 May 2000, Sheldon T. Hall wrote: > On Friday, May 19, 2000 1:48 AM, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > > > I recently aquired a Sun 411 case with a 4MM tape backup drive. I hooked > > it up to my trusty SSLX running the newest install of NetBSD. > > [snip] > > > What I need to know is how do I check to see what size this tape drive is > ... > > I'd open the case and see what make/model the actual drive is, then check a > website or two. > > > ... how do I format new tapes ... > > I haven't had to format mine, so I suspect that DDS tapes don't need > formatting at all. Mine's an HP SureStore Tape 5000, which writes 2 gigs > on DDS2 90 meter tapes. > > > how do I read/write to this tape, etc... Do I need some specialized tape > backup > > software or can I just mount the device and pretend it's a disk? > > I just use dump, or the Solaris equivalent. Here's my little backup > script: > > > #!/bin/sh > > # A script using UFSDUMP to backup the filesystems specified on the command > line > # > # Basic script by Logan Shaw, "enhancements" by Sheldon T. Hall (8-18-99) > > PATH="/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" > > case $# in > 0) echo "Usage: `basename $0` filesystem [filesystem ...]" > echo " Backs up to the DDS tape the filesystem(s) specified, > using" > echo " ufsdump at the dump level specified in the environment > variable" > echo " LEVEL. Defaults to dump level 0, i.e. complete backup." > echo " Other environment variables used are:" > echo " TAPE - Tape drive, defaults to /dev/rmt/0n" > exit 1 ;; > *) ;; # OK > esac > > # A Logging function so we can look like the big boys. > > log () > { > /bin/logger -p user.err -t "`/bin/basename $0`" $1 > } > > TAPE=${TAPE:-/dev/rmt/0n} ; export TAPE > LEVEL=${LEVEL:-0} ; export LEVEL > > msg1="System backup starting; save your work and log out now." > msg2="System backup in progress; logins prohibited. Try again later." > > log "Starting level $LEVEL backup of $@" > > # Disable non-console logins, alert the users. > > echo "$msg2" > /etc/nologin > if who > then > echo "$msg1" | wall -a > sleep 60 > fi > > # Actually do the work > > for fs in "$@" > do > mt status > sync ; ufsdump "$LEVEL"acuf /etc/dump.TOC "$TAPE" "$fs" > echo > done > > # Re-enable non-console logins > > rm -f /etc/nologin > > # Check the tape and spit it out > > mt status > mt offline > > # Do some clever logging > > sed 's/ / level /g' < /etc/dumpdates > /tmp/dumpdates # 15 > spaces > log "Level $LEVEL dump complete:" > log "-f /tmp/dumpdates" > rm -f /tmp/dumpdates > > # Done > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Fri May 19 12:13:06 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... now what to run on it????? Message-ID: Whilst perusing the bilges of the local MooU surplus pit, I manages across a fine and complete 3/60 pizzabox thingie. Also, for a couple of buckeroos I pickued up a pair of disk drives and tape transport in an old Data General peripherial thing that might be usable. Assuming my scsi tape is still functional, or I can sub something, what might folks suggest to run on such a fine ancient old dinosaur? Previous expeditions have yielded the right keyboard and mouse and mouse pad and a shoebox with scsi cable, and a faint mono monitor, so I think enough is there to actually make the thing play. At most it has cost me about 10 bucks, which is OK for a playtoy. 1. What are the usual ram configs for a 3/60? 4M comes to mind but I think there were other setups. 2. What would be a usable os to run on it, if it only has 4M ram? I have SunOS 3.5, 4.1.1U1, and 4.1.3, plus NetBSD 1.4.1, 1.4.2 (and can dredge up some 1.3 things, maybe, too). 3. Anyting strange in getting a 3/60 up? I have 3/160, 3/260, and 4/260 crates, but those are all the big vme deskside crates with somewhat different setups compared to the 3/60, AFIK. 4. Where would one find any on-line docs pertaining to specifically the 3/60 settings as to any jumpers, switches, odd prom commands, etc? None of my docs cover the 3/60 specifically. 5. Will it run a 150mb tape, or only a 60mb tape? Memory says it needs a late prom to handle a 150mb tape, but I am not sure. Thanks Bob From jwbirdsa at picarefy.picarefy.com Fri May 19 15:27:39 2000 From: jwbirdsa at picarefy.picarefy.com (jwbirdsa at picarefy.picarefy.com) Date: 19 May 2000 20:27:39 -0000 Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... now what to run on it????? Message-ID: >1. What are the usual ram configs for a 3/60? 4M comes to mind but > I think there were other setups. Anywhere from 4M to 24M in 4M increments of 1M 30-pin parity SIMMs, 100ns or faster. Nine-chip SIMMs seem to work more consistently than three-chippers. >2. What would be a usable os to run on it, if it only has 4M ram? > I have SunOS 3.5, 4.1.1U1, and 4.1.3, plus NetBSD 1.4.1, 1.4.2 > (and can dredge up some 1.3 things, maybe, too). NetBSD 1.4 is running on my 3/60's. SunOS 4.1.1 was pretty good, too. >3. Anyting strange in getting a 3/60 up? I have 3/160, 3/260, > and 4/260 crates, but those are all the big vme deskside crates > with somewhat different setups compared to the 3/60, AFIK. The 3/60 is a lot easier, because the onboard si works as expected, unlike the VME ones. >4. Where would one find any on-line docs pertaining to specifically > the 3/60 settings as to any jumpers, switches, odd prom commands, > etc? None of my docs cover the 3/60 specifically. There's only one jumper block, and it's labelled pretty well. There's six positions used to indicate the memory size, one for AUI/coax, and one sets the onboard bwtwo (if present) to normal or high resolution. If you're going to run it diskless, you want to crank the memory way up. I have a pair of 4M 3/50's with disks and they do OK for light use. On the other hand, I have an 8M diskless 3/50 (third-party expansion board) and it has real troubles. Doing a "ps -aux" saturates the network for several minutes. --James B. From mrbill at mrbill.net Fri May 19 17:20:16 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:20:16 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Wanted: 3/50 in Austin area Message-ID: Anybody in the Austin area have a 3/50? I know, old and slow, but my first "real" UNIX box (not counting the ATT UNIXPC) was a 3/50 with 19" mono monitor, and external tape/HD box, running SunOS 4.1.1. It would be nice to pick up another, or a 3/60 if I cant get a 3/50, for old times sake and add to the collection. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From nick at ns.snowman.net Fri May 19 23:39:36 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] RE: SPARCplug Message-ID: Hmmm. Odd, the only thing I know of that runs 26MicroD is Fast Ethernet MII (it's AUI equiv). Is that possible? Nick On Fri, 19 May 2000, Chris Powell wrote: > > > > I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit > > > fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz > > > HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two > > > audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI > > > or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. > > > > Probably AUI, but I'm just guessing. > > It's the 26-way micro-D thing, but judging by the number of PCB tracks > going to it, it's a parallel port. But that means the SPARCplug has > no obvious serial connections, despite having two 85C30 SCC chips on > board (one is used for Sun keyboard/mouse). > > > > The last looks like > > > a 3/80 or SS1 motherboard power connector. > > I've checked again and the connector is actually 14-way, not 12-way > as on the 3/80. > > > > There appears to be space in the base of the main unit for a low > > > profile hard disk. There is no obvious way of connecting to it > > > though (no 50-way IDC header plug). > > > > Are there any extra pin headers on the board anyplace? > > Nope. A number of jumpers, but no SCSI header. > > Oh, it also has four LEDs on the front panel. One is power, one is > hard disc, two are mystery LEDs with icons ((o)) and ))o((. > > > > Am I missing a cable to take the SCSI from the main unit to an > > > internal disk and to a external connector on an ISA back plate? > > > Am I also missing a power cable assembly or can I just plug a > > > SS1 power supply in? Will the SPARCplug take SuperSPARC MBus > > > modules? > > > > I'm not sure. Got a DC or know where anybody has some pictures of these? I > > DC? > > > don't think it would be worthwhile to put a SuperSPARC module in there, even > > if you could. The SM81 is the only CPU that would be faster than an HS125, > > and the speed difference wouldn't be that huge, I don't think. > > I was thinking of moving the HyperSPARC module to my SS10, and moving > the 40MHz SuperSPARC from that to the SPARCplug. The HyperSPARC module > is part #511-6224-01 (on the MBus connector) #270-6214-58 on the PCB. > I know this is a 125MHz unit, but what size cache does it have? Will > it work in a SPARCstation 10 (currently containing a 36MHz SuperSPARC)? > Does the module support SMP? > > > > Anyone with one of these critters? > > > > Not me, unless you want to give that one away... > > I'm hanging on to it as it's so cute! > > > Chris. > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mathew at r2d2.eagle.y.se Sat May 20 11:09:25 2000 From: mathew at r2d2.eagle.y.se (Mattias Nordlund) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:09:25 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 1/170E Message-ID: I have a Ultra 1/170E for sale in Sweden (Europe), so if anyone in sweden is intrested in it pleas mail me off the list. Sincerly Mattias Nordlund From sammy at oh.verio.com Sat May 20 15:12:09 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... now what to run on it????? Message-ID: On Fri, 19 May 2000, BSD Bob wrote: > 2. What would be a usable os to run on it, if it only has 4M ram? > I have SunOS 3.5, 4.1.1U1, and 4.1.3, plus NetBSD 1.4.1, 1.4.2 > (and can dredge up some 1.3 things, maybe, too). Now, I'm totally biased here, but if you can dredge up the ram (16 megs I'd recommend) and have time to play, Linux does run on it. :) (and only the 3/60 and 3/50, probably...) 1x9 simms are usually trivial ti find though... calling 2 friends got me 16 more megs form ine in about 10 minutes... > 3. Anyting strange in getting a 3/60 up? I have 3/160, 3/260, > and 4/260 crates, but those are all the big vme deskside crates > with somewhat different setups compared to the 3/60, AFIK. The NetBSD install on it is entirely straightforward, I installed it NFS root with no problems. Never tried a disk install of netbsd on it, though... Linux is a pain in the ass to install, there being no installer of any sort... (and I don't really know, having rolled the distribution while building the binaries for my 3/60). > 4. Where would one find any on-line docs pertaining to specifically > the 3/60 settings as to any jumpers, switches, odd prom commands, > etc? None of my docs cover the 3/60 specifically. They're labelled pretty clearly. For memeory selection, jumper all of the blocks up to the amount of memory you have... the HIGHRES jumper is to select the resoultion for the bwtwo (1152x864 vs 1600x1200, I think). EXTXVR (I think) selects AUI port for ethernet when jumpered, BNC when not. "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From shall1 at columbus.rr.com Sun May 21 08:57:31 2000 From: shall1 at columbus.rr.com (Sheldon T. Hall) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:57:31 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] RE: ohio people Message-ID: A little over a year ago, on Friday, April 30, 1999 9:49 AM, you wrote on the SunRescus mail list: > Hi, I am also interested in sun equipment. I just wanted to let people in > OH know I am in Columbus. Right now I don't have any old sparcs or > anything. I was planning on picking up a couple in the future if anyone > has some. Thanks. > -Jason Did you ever find any Sun gear? Fi so, did you get it running? -Shel From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Mon May 22 03:54:46 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:54:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: Hi All, I'm trying to get an IBM DRVS-09V 9.1G LVD SCSI drive working on a Sun SPARCstation. The drive connector is a 68-way micro-D, and I'm using a 68-way to 50-way IDC converter to put the drive in a 411 box. I'm then connecting the 411 to the SCSI-2 connector of the base unit. I've tried both a SPARCstation 5 and 10. Neither the PROM probe-scsi command or UNIX see the drive. The drive does spin-up on power-up (not tried removing the jumper to spin-up on SCSI command). I have tried jumpering the drive to turn off single-ended and wide negotiations, still nothing. Am I doing something wrong here? My understanding is that LVD should work on a SCSI-2 bus. Thanks. Chris. From twmaster at earthlink.net Mon May 22 04:35:32 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 05:35:32 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: Unless that is one of the Multi-mode drives, i.e. SE or LVD it will not work. The Sparc Stations use SE (single-ended) SCSI, where that drive is LVD (low voltage differential) SCSI. If you are lucky you have not let the magic smoke out of the drive or the controllers. You run a high risk of destroying the electronics on the drive or the controller by mixing SE with differential. Cheers, Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Powell To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 4:54 AM Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to get an IBM DRVS-09V 9.1G LVD SCSI drive working on a Sun > SPARCstation. The drive connector is a 68-way micro-D, and I'm using > a 68-way to 50-way IDC converter to put the drive in a 411 box. I'm > then connecting the 411 to the SCSI-2 connector of the base unit. I've > tried both a SPARCstation 5 and 10. Neither the PROM probe-scsi command > or UNIX see the drive. The drive does spin-up on power-up (not tried > removing the jumper to spin-up on SCSI command). > > I have tried jumpering the drive to turn off single-ended and wide > negotiations, still nothing. > > Am I doing something wrong here? My understanding is that LVD should work > on a SCSI-2 bus. > > Thanks. > > > Chris. > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From koch at pz.pirmasens.de Mon May 22 04:42:21 2000 From: koch at pz.pirmasens.de (Peter Koch) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:42:21 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... now what to run on it????? Message-ID: Hi Bob! >...a fine and complete 3/60 pizzabox thingie. The Sun 3/60 is IMHO the best design of the Sun3 series. And it was the best selling Sun ever in these days. Thus it is not a rare machine. >...what might folks suggest to run on such >a fine ancient old dinosaur? Why not run SunOS 4.1.1 on it? I do and i enjoy it very much. Or run NetBSD on it. Works like a charm. >What are the usual ram configs for a 3/60? The more the better. The 3/60 can hold 24 standard 1 MB SIMMS with parity. That is a HUGE amout of memory for such a slow machine, but either SunOS or NetBSD will gladly make use if it. >What would be a usable os to run on it, if it only has 4M ram? Nothing, seriously. I have some 3/50 which have 4 MB soldered onto the mainboard and these are pretty useless, cause they start paging and swapping as soon as you start a gcc or X11. Memory is dirt cheap for the 3/60. If you were located in europe, i'd send you 24 MB. And it's normal 30 pin SIMM which can be found in many PeeCees. You only need such SIMMs with parity (e.g. 9 or 3 chip). Mac SIMMs won't work. >I have SunOS 3.5, 4.1.1U1... If you want to go with 4 MB, try 3.5. >Anyting strange in getting a 3/60 up? No. pretty cool thing and almost painless. Software installation is exactly the same as on the 3/160 or 3/260, but the hardware isn't that complicated. The only thing you should know are the jumpers near the battery. There are six jumpers (marked 4,8,12,16,20,24) which determine the amount of RAM, one switches between AUI and BNC (called EXTUR) and one switches resolution from 1152x900 to 1600x1280 (HIRES). That's it! >Where would one find any on-line docs... Sun3/3x-Archive, Peters Sun3 Zoo, ... >Will it run a 150mb tape, or only a 60mb tape? It will run a 60 MB tape drive. Get the newest PROM images from the sun3arc and then it will do with 150 MB streamer too. Tschuess Peter From davis at skink.net Mon May 22 08:07:44 2000 From: davis at skink.net (John F. Davis) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:07:44 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Message-ID: Hello Will sparc20 memory work in a sparc 5? How about a sparc 10? John From GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL Mon May 22 08:16:20 2000 From: GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL (Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:16:20 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Message-ID: John, SS20 -> SS10 = Maybe (Size and Speed issues) SS20 -> SS5 = NOPE (different form factor) SS10 -> SS20 = OK Put your part numbers on the list. Someone with a Field Engineer Handbook could give you the straight skinny. DG Dave Garten Coml: (703) 614-4616 -----Original Message----- From: John F. Davis [mailto:davis at skink.net] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 9:08 AM To: rescue at sunhelp.org Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Hello Will sparc20 memory work in a sparc 5? How about a sparc 10? John _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 22 08:24:32 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... continuing funzies... Message-ID: > Hi Bob! Guten tag, mein freund..... and all the others aboard.... > >...a fine and complete 3/60 pizzabox thingie. > > The Sun 3/60 is IMHO the best design of the Sun3 series. > And it was the best selling Sun ever in these days. > Thus it is not a rare machine. Well, at 5 bucks, I was a sucker for it. You know me and junk Suns.... After some scrounging and hair-pulling, I managed to get it going on a serial console, for testing. Also, I ripped out the 1M ram sticks from an old dead SS1, and now the thing has 24M ram. The ROM is 2.8.3. Yuk! All my spare tape transports are 150mb things. I put all my spare 60mb transports into my 3 VME crates, and I won't rob any of those to get the 3/60 going. My luck on old tape drives is getting thin. Can anyone burn me a spare 3.0.X bootprom? Alas, I don't have facilities to do that anymore, although I used to do a lot of that in the S100 days. I don't even have my eprom eraser anymore.... gads, getting soft here.... IFF someone can, email me directly to follow up on it. I am a bit confused on the eprom numbers. One source says 3.0.1 is the one to use for tape, and another says that won't work, and 3.0.2 is the one for both 150mb tape and cdrom????? Which is correct? Another source says 2.8 will boot from QIC150, yet my 2.8.3 would not. Confusing. Ideally, I would like to be able to boot from cd and from QIC-150 tape, so which boot prom image is required for that? It seems to work fine, otherwise. I tried bringing it up on my 1152/900 mono monitor, but it would not sync to it, in either jumper position. That does not seem right. Yet, the monitor came up on the 3/80. Is there something else I am doing wrong on it to get the monitor going? Could I have a blown video section on the motherboard? Yuk.... Any way to test that offhand? I will have to reinvestigate the junk pile later this week and see if there may be any more of the 3/60's about. Maybe I picked up a dud. Danke schon... Peter. Bob From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Mon May 22 08:44:38 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:44:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: SPARCplug Message-ID: On Sat, 20 May 2000 00:39:36 -0400 (EDT) nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > Hmmm. Odd, the only thing I know of that runs 26MicroD is Fast Ethernet > MII (it's AUI equiv). Is that possible? > Nick Could be MII/AUI yes. However, the SS10/LX/SS5 etc. parallel port is also 26-way microD. Luckily Sun saw sense and gave the MII/AUI and parallel connectors slightly different latches - sensible as they are one above each other on some (all?) machines. Chris. From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 22 09:19:38 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:19:38 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Powell [mailto:Chris_Powell at mitel.com] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:55 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to get an IBM DRVS-09V 9.1G LVD SCSI drive working on a Sun > SPARCstation. The drive connector is a 68-way micro-D, and I'm using > a 68-way to 50-way IDC converter to put the drive in a 411 box. I'm > then connecting the 411 to the SCSI-2 connector of the base unit. I've > tried both a SPARCstation 5 and 10. Neither the PROM > probe-scsi command > or UNIX see the drive. The drive does spin-up on power-up (not tried > removing the jumper to spin-up on SCSI command). > > I have tried jumpering the drive to turn off single-ended and wide > negotiations, still nothing. I think that you probably want WIDE set to OFF, and SE set to ON. Assuming that those machines still have SCSI at all, that should be what it takes to get it working. > Am I doing something wrong here? My understanding is that LVD > should work > on a SCSI-2 bus. As Mike said, a drive that is just LVD will only work on LVD busses. Most LVD drives also have a jumper to enable/disable LVD, which puts the drive in SE (single ended), which is the "normal" SCSI from older machines. Greg From brt at osk.sema.se Mon May 22 08:45:19 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:45:19 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Message-ID: John F. Davis wrote: > > Hello > > Will sparc20 memory work in a sparc 5? How about a sparc 10? No. SPARC 5 memory will only work on SPARC 5 and SPARC 4 platforms. (not counting any possible clones) Generally, SPARC 20 memory (with 60ns timing) will work on everything from SPARC 10 through Ultra 1, Ultra 2 and possibly forward. SPARC 10 memory (with 70ns timing) will only work on SPARC 10, although if your SPARC 10 happend to be equipped with 60ns memory modules, you can reuse these on 20's, U1's and forward. Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but the SPARC 10 can't run with 32MB modules? Only 16MB and 64MB, whereas all the other can run 16MB, 32MB and 64MB. /Regards, Bjorn From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 22 11:02:25 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:02:25 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bjrn Ramqvist [mailto:brt at osk.sema.se] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:45 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory > > John F. Davis wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > Will sparc20 memory work in a sparc 5? How about a sparc 10? > > No. SPARC 5 memory will only work on SPARC 5 and SPARC 4 > platforms. (not > counting any possible clones) I thought James said that you could run it in some of the BIG machines, if you cut a small notch it there so that it would fit in the slot. Maybe I'm halucinating again, who knows... > Generally, SPARC 20 memory (with 60ns timing) will work on everything > from SPARC 10 through Ultra 1, Ultra 2 and possibly forward. SPARC 10 > memory (with 70ns timing) will only work on SPARC 10, although if your > SPARC 10 happend to be equipped with 60ns memory modules, you > can reuse > these on 20's, U1's and forward. > > Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but the SPARC 10 can't run with 32MB > modules? > Only 16MB and 64MB, whereas all the other can run 16MB, 32MB and 64MB. That sounds right to me, although I suspect that it's another one of those deals where it doesn't really work, but sometimes does. I don't have a 10, so I can't play around with it myself. Greg P.S. if this comes in a weird character set, it's not my fault! :-) From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 22 11:05:40 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Drive boxes for 3/60 for 4 x 5.25 HD's ???? Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone knew of any HD boxes for something like a Sun 3/60 that would hold 4x5.25 inch full height HD's? Everything I see in surplus seems to hold 2 drives horizontally or vertically. Something that might hold 4 on edge horizontally, or 4 in a vertical stack might be of interest. Anyone seen anything like that floating around? What should I be looking for brandwise? Bob From billj at calweb.com Mon May 22 11:05:29 2000 From: billj at calweb.com (William Janssen) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:05:29 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... continuing funzies... Message-ID: Bob I picked up three more tape drives for parts. Don't know if they work but one may be useful for your 3/60. I can check one out if you can use it. I have two Wangtek 5360 ES and one Archive 2150 S. Also I have a 3/60 with OS 4.1.1. I can make a copy of the boot tapes if you need them. Also I have a Eprom burner so can burn a Eprom if you point me to the software you want. I will have to fire up my 3/60 and see what prom version I have. I remember burning an updated prom for one of my machines. Every time I see a tape drive in the junk I check the rubber and if its good I grab the drive. Bill K7NOM BSD Bob wrote: > The ROM is 2.8.3. Yuk! All my spare tape transports are 150mb things. > I put all my spare 60mb transports into my 3 VME crates, and I won't > rob any of those to get the 3/60 going. My luck on old tape drives > is getting thin. > > Can anyone burn me a spare 3.0.X bootprom? Alas, I don't have facilities > to do that anymore, although I used to do a lot of that in the S100 days. > I don't even have my eprom eraser anymore.... gads, getting soft here.... > IFF someone can, email me directly to follow up on it. > > I am a bit confused on the eprom numbers. One source says 3.0.1 is the > one to use for tape, and another says that won't work, and 3.0.2 is > the one for both 150mb tape and cdrom????? Which is correct? > > Another source says 2.8 will boot from QIC150, yet my 2.8.3 would not. > Confusing. From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 22 12:08:45 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... continuing funzies... Message-ID: > I picked up three more tape drives for parts. Don't know if they work > but one may be useful for your 3/60. I can check one out if you can use > it. Hey, I am all ears......(:+}}... > I have two Wangtek 5360 ES and one Archive 2150 S. Those sound like 150mb drives? I would have to check the number on the Wangteks. The ones I need are 60mb, unless I can get the right prom into th3 3/60. > Also I have a 3/60 with OS 4.1.1. I can make a copy of the boot tapes > if you need them. I have those, but need a drive to mount up in some kind of little box or maybe in a dual box with an HD to bring up baby. I have plenty of boxes and plenty of drives with gooey rubber drive wheels (:+{{... > Also I have a Eprom burner so can burn a Eprom if you point me to the > software you want. I will have to fire up my 3/60 and see what > prom version I have. I remember burning an updated prom for one of my > machines. Hey.... Now we are getting into the gritty....(:+}}... The eprom images are on sun3arc.krupp.net, and I am assuming the 3.0.1 or maybe 3.0.2 is the one I need. What prom chip should I send you for burning? I can round up one, and maybe someone around here has an eraser lamp, still. (Peter Koch... you know for sure which rom on a 3/60 with 150mb tape and cd support?) > Every time I see a tape drive in the junk I check the rubber and if its > good I grab the drive. I lost all but 2 drives now with decomposing drive wheels. They are in my 3/260 and 4/260, so I don't want to mess with those. Even my RT PS/2 external drives are finaly going soft in the drive rubbers. Mebbie it is the heat/cold in the basement getting to the rubber in the winter. Dunno, yet. Mebbie I just run lots of tapes (I got about 1000 of them I use for boots, backups and source storage). > Bill K7NOM Thanks Bill ZUT OM DE NA4G/Bob UP From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 22 12:28:32 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:28:32 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Date on the first Sun4m? Message-ID: What was the first Sun4m machine, and about when was it introduced? My guess would be the Classic, but I have no idea when. Any pointers? Greg From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Mon May 22 13:15:49 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:15:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Date on the first Sun4m? Message-ID: http://www.black-cube.net/Sun This has a lot of info that may prove useful. Kurt ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Leblanc To: Sun Rescue List (E-mail) Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: [SunRescue] Date on the first Sun4m? > What was the first Sun4m machine, and about when was it introduced? My > guess would be the Classic, but I have no idea when. Any pointers? > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From james at foonly.com Mon May 22 15:01:25 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Date on the first Sun4m? Message-ID: On Mon, 22 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > What was the first Sun4m machine, and about when was it introduced? My > guess would be the Classic, but I have no idea when. Any pointers? 4/600MP. Early 1992, if memory serves. The Classic didn't arrive until 1993 (first I see of it is on my July '93 pricelists). -James From earl at baugh.org Mon May 22 17:23:14 2000 From: earl at baugh.org (Earl Baugh) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 10's and 32MB memory Message-ID: Sparc 10's CAN use 32MB simms, if you've got the right PROM. I've seen a 10 loaded up with 32's....worked just fine. The Magic Prom was one of the Ross hypersparc ones from what I recall. Earl From brt at osk.sema.se Tue May 23 01:29:16 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:29:16 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 10's and 32MB memory Message-ID: Earl Baugh wrote: > > Sparc 10's CAN use 32MB simms, if you've got the right > PROM. I've seen a 10 loaded up with 32's....worked just > fine. The Magic Prom was one of the Ross hypersparc ones > from what I recall. Aaah. Something for the Sun-Ref to take notice... You have any idea what ROM-version this could have been? (Does this apply to all HyperSPARC-PROMs?) /Regards, Bjorn From brt at osk.sema.se Tue May 23 02:28:16 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:28:16 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Melting SS5? Message-ID: Time for some experimenting. >:-) Now and then people often wonder if it's generally possible to put a 7200rpm drive into a SS5 (SS4, SS20) without actually cooking that little pecker. Last night I had the wonderful opportunity to loan a Fujitsu MAG3091LC to try a little "experiment". This drive is a 9GB 10000rpm Wide Ultra-2 SCSI drive with an SCA-2 inderface, and ofcourse is LVD (Low-Voltage Differential, like a U2W-drives), 2MB cache and with just 5ms access-time! This one has a 16-pin jumperblock, making up to 8 pairs of jumpers, controlling (from left to right) ID0-3 (SCSI ID 0-15), WRITE PROT, START CMD, SINGLE/WIDE and DIFFSENS. This drive was factory set att Wide & Differential, so I just put two little jumpers across the last jumper pairs to "degrade" this drive to a somewhat more pleasent speed the SS5 could handle. :-) (Thus disabling both Wide and Differential capability) First of all this is a black and chrome HEAVY beauty, almost 0.7kg, which is waaay heavier than for example my 500MB Seagate drive which came original in SS5. :-) This one actually has some sort of "fins" near the SCA-connector which probably made me wonder if this was going to dissipate alot of heat. Anyway, I mounted the drive on a Sun-colored plastic sled and tried fitting it in the bottom part of the SS5. It sat there nicely and I tried starting up my 70MHz monster. At first the drive was rock-silent, as I would expect from the "START CMD"-jumper disabled. After just a few seconds it started accelerating, and beeing a 10000rpm drive this is, I would have expect some MAJOR noise from this one! Nope. Infact, when it has spun up to all it's glory, it went almost silent. Good. Not that all dead-silent as my Seagate ST34520N (a Conner design) 7200rpm, but very close. By that time I closed the cover, just to make sure proper airflow and try listening to the "real" sound enviroment. I put a DEC RRD45 into my Aurora-2 beauty and tried booting Solaris 2.6 install. (Don't ask me why I love 2.6 above all other versions) I filled in all those necessary pieces of information and started a full install of Sol 2.6. I even ended up having my dinner served and went to the gym, but hurried back to check out the progress. As I would have expected, it was finished with the installations, and was up and running. I tried logging in and carefully listen to the "funky sound" of that little speedster running in my SS5. Nice sound. :-) I shut the whole thing down to console-mode and opened the cover just to check the temperature of the drive. Remember, this was a single drive, along with a CDROM sitting there, so it might have been just the appropriate airflow to hold this one cooled. I touched the drive. Warm. Every drive gets warm, this one just slightly warmer than all the usual 5400rpm ones. Ofcourse, you'd all expect that I'd been cooking this speedster, but nope! I touched the CPU just for comparisation and couldn't hold my fingers on it for more than 1-2 seconds. conclusion: After all, this worked out just fine. I've never ever seen my slow 70MHz SS5-monster beeing this rapid and responsive as with this drive, very probably because of the ultra-low 5ms bad-ass access-time! And just to assure everyone of you concerning the (almost non-excistent) heat-problems; get one of those "SS20"-fankits out there, which is placed right in between the CDROM and the harddrive. This should certainly keep the drive well under any hazardous temperatures. But just to make sure, don't put the SPARC trapped in some sort of under-ventilated box cause that would probably raise temperature. I don't see any risk whatsoever in putting a drive like this into your favourite desktop machine if you keep it with just one drive. This was a 9GB model, but there are 18GB models available also, (hence named MAG3182LC) so that should be very well enough to put inside a SS5/20. fact: "Why on EARTH did you put a 10000rpm drive into this baby anyway???" I had the opportunity. This drive was labeled COMPAQ, which itself turns into the fact that I've bought this for my job as an add-on drive. Compaq REFUSE to sell anything less than 10000rpm drives nowadays, so I suspect others will follow along that path. Even now there are a huge need for 7200rpm drives, so all those 5400rpm would probably disappear. /Regards, Bjorn From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue May 23 11:58:20 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:58:20 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: ok, I've finally got an SBUS ethernet card, but I need a cable so that I can attach it to my TP network. The card is PN: 501-1869, a SCSI/ethernet card. The connector on the back looks like a micro-centronics thing, with (I think) 14-pins. Anybody got a line on these cables? Greg From a222 at redrose.net Tue May 23 12:30:44 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:30:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: > ok, I've finally got an SBUS ethernet card, but I need a cable so that I can > attach it to my TP network. The card is PN: 501-1869, a SCSI/ethernet card. > The connector on the back looks like a micro-centronics thing, with (I > think) 14-pins. Anybody got a line on these cables? > Greg It is probably an AUI (attachment unit interface) connector. They are widely available. Call your local networking/cabling guys and see if you can get a used one for about $3.00. I have an extra one I could sell you for a couple bucks. Note: you need to decide whether you want 10BaseT or 10Base2 connectors. Probably you want 10BaseT. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue May 23 15:01:46 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:01:46 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Giagnocavo [mailto:a222 at redrose.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:31 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card > > > ok, I've finally got an SBUS ethernet card, but I need a > cable so that I can > > attach it to my TP network. The card is PN: 501-1869, a > SCSI/ethernet card. > > The connector on the back looks like a micro-centronics > thing, with (I > > think) 14-pins. Anybody got a line on these cables? > > Greg > > It is probably an AUI (attachment unit interface) connector. > > They are widely available. Call your local > networking/cabling guys and see > if you can get a used one for about $3.00. I have an extra > one I could sell > you for a couple bucks. I've got AUI to 10baseT converters, I've been using them for ages on other machines. This is NOT the same thing that's on the motherboard of my SS330. > Note: you need to decide whether you want 10BaseT or 10Base2 > connectors. > Probably you want 10BaseT. Yeah, that's what I meant by TP, as in Twisted Pair. Anybody else know what connector this thing might take? Greg From twmaster at earthlink.net Tue May 23 15:19:17 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:19:17 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: I have that cable new. I will need to look and see which flavor of it I have, which means a trip to the warehouse, it comes in twisted pair and AUI IIRC. Anyway I know I have one. Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Leblanc To: Sun Rescue List (E-mail) Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card > ok, I've finally got an SBUS ethernet card, but I need a cable so that I can > attach it to my TP network. The card is PN: 501-1869, a SCSI/ethernet card. > The connector on the back looks like a micro-centronics thing, with (I > think) 14-pins. Anybody got a line on these cables? > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From twmaster at earthlink.net Tue May 23 15:21:54 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:21:54 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: > It is probably an AUI (attachment unit interface) connector. It is an AUI cable, however it is not the same as used on a Macintosh, you will let the magic smoke out if you try to connect a Mac AAUI cable Mike N From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 24 22:49:55 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:49:55 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for low-cost 2 Gig SCA drives??? Full-height drives? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01BFC5DA.C3144090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Found this offer in my mailbox - company seems reasonable, but beware, I have no connection with them: = http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept_id=3D7&sku=3DST32105WC 2.1 Gig SCA 1" high drives for $35/each... They also have one of my all-time favorite drives, Seagate 3.5 Gig = (formats down to 2.9 Gig) 5 1/4" full-height drives for $25/each: = http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=3D7&sku=3DST43400N I hope this helps anyone looking for storage... Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01BFC5DA.C3144090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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n2vip at bellatlantic.net<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01BFC5DA.C3144090-- From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 23 23:56:14 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:56:14 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for low-cost 2 Gig SCA drives??? Full-height drives? Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 11:49:55PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Found this offer in my mailbox - company seems reasonable, but beware, I > have no connection with them: > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept_id=7&sku=ST32105WC > 2.1 Gig SCA 1" high drives for $35/each... > They also have one of my all-time favorite drives, Seagate 3.5 Gig (formats down > to 2.9 Gig) 5 1/4" full-height drives for $25/each: > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST43400N > I hope this helps anyone looking for storage... > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net I"ve done a TON of business with them; never had a problem, plus you get free jellybeans with each order. 8-) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 24 23:51:51 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FA: Sun PCi acution at ebay... Message-ID: Well, since I ordered my Ultra 2 system I have no use for this card, so I am listing it on ebay with a starting bid of $200, in a 3 day auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=340575333 I encourage anyone interested, to bid accordingly - if you mention the sunrescue mailing list I will pay for shipping myself (Con. US only - sorry). Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Wed May 24 07:43:02 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:43:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: On Mon, 22 May 2000 05:35:32 -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote: > Unless that is one of the Multi-mode drives, i.e. SE or LVD it will not > work. > > The Sparc Stations use SE (single-ended) SCSI, where that drive is LVD (low > voltage differential) SCSI. If you are lucky you have not let the magic > smoke out of the drive or the controllers. You run a high risk of destroying > the electronics on the drive or the controller by mixing SE with > differential. The LVD standard is far funkier than just being differential. Proper LVD drives should sense if the bus is SE or differential, 8-bit or 16-bit and work accordingly. Really rather impressive! Still, it doesn't explain why my drive doesn't work. Chris. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Powell > To: > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 4:54 AM > Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm trying to get an IBM DRVS-09V 9.1G LVD SCSI drive working on a Sun > > SPARCstation. The drive connector is a 68-way micro-D, and I'm using > > a 68-way to 50-way IDC converter to put the drive in a 411 box. I'm > > then connecting the 411 to the SCSI-2 connector of the base unit. I've > > tried both a SPARCstation 5 and 10. Neither the PROM probe-scsi command > > or UNIX see the drive. The drive does spin-up on power-up (not tried > > removing the jumper to spin-up on SCSI command). > > > > I have tried jumpering the drive to turn off single-ended and wide > > negotiations, still nothing. > > > > Am I doing something wrong here? My understanding is that LVD should work > > on a SCSI-2 bus. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Chris. From mvergall at double-barrel.be Wed May 24 07:55:14 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:55:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] Need some parts ! Message-ID: Hi, Dous anyone have a HD of 2 - 4 GB for in a IPX ? my disc died so I need a replacement disc. This is the system that I use as my mail server. So I put in a spare disc I have but that one is only a 1 GB so not enough space. Will pay for disc & shipment. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 24 08:09:01 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:09:01 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Re: LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: > The LVD standard is far funkier than just being differential. Proper > LVD drives should sense if the bus is SE or differential, 8-bit or > 16-bit and work accordingly. Really rather impressive! > That explains a few things, I myself am just now being able to afford nice drives like the new LVD's Mike N From kurt at csh.rit.edu Wed May 24 10:39:41 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SBus Ethernet card... Message-ID: I know these are in high demand, but I'm looking for an SBus ethernet card. I'm putting together a masquerading firewall for a local school, but I need a second ethernet interface for it. Can anyone help me out? --Kurt -- From a222 at redrose.net Wed May 24 11:05:44 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:05:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SBus Ethernet card... Message-ID: > I know these are in high demand, but I'm looking > for an SBus ethernet card. I'm putting together > a masquerading firewall for a local school, but > I need a second ethernet interface for it. Can > anyone help me out? > > --Kurt Hi Kurt, I have one, but I want to trade for a differential SCSI adapter. Any chance you have one of those? Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 24 11:42:36 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:42:36 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody need a diff<->SE scsi adapter? Message-ID: Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi adapter? Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From james at foonly.com Wed May 24 11:47:05 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Chris Powell wrote: > The LVD standard is far funkier than just being differential. Proper > LVD drives should sense if the bus is SE or differential, 8-bit or > 16-bit and work accordingly. Really rather impressive! In most cases LVD can fall back to SE mode. It cannot fall back to HVD (high voltage differential or just "differential"). The reason for developing LVD in the first place was that HVD line drivers couldn't be efficiently packaged into a controller ASIC and this made HVD cards more expensive. LVD uses TTL signalling levels, this gives it less range than HVD but makes it cheaper. -James From nick at ns.snowman.net Wed May 24 12:19:13 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody need a diff<->SE scsi adapter? Message-ID: I could find a use for one. I've got one running a chain of 9gig drives, but I'd sorta like to split them up. Nick On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > adapter? > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From james at foonly.com Wed May 24 12:30:37 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for low-cost 2 Gig SCA drives??? Full-height drives? Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > They also have one of my all-time favorite drives, Seagate 3.5 Gig (formats down > to 2.9 Gig) 5 1/4" full-height drives for $25/each: > > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST43400N If anyone is looking for the differential variant of this (ST43401ND, fast/wide/diff) I have upwards of a dozen of them brand new in OEM packaging. Asking $10/ea plus shipping in quantity. 2.1GB fast/narrow/diff $5/ea in quantity. Thanks, -James From mvergall at double-barrel.be Wed May 24 13:23:15 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: Hi, I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my question is will it work in a IPX ? Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Wed May 24 13:42:03 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody need a diff<->SE scsi adapter? Message-ID: > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > adapter? Would something like that allow me to hang an IBM differential scsi 9 track tape system on my IPX or SS1's? I picked up a perfectly fine IBM tape drive for almost nothing in surplus, but, the danged thing is differential (they used both but my luck was not with me apparently). Bob From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 24 13:47:59 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:47:59 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody need a diff<->SE scsi adapter? Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 02:42:03PM -0400, BSD Bob wrote: > > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > > adapter? > Would something like that allow me to hang an IBM differential scsi > 9 track tape system on my IPX or SS1's? I picked up a perfectly fine > IBM tape drive for almost nothing in surplus, but, the danged thing is > differential (they used both but my luck was not with me apparently). > Bob Yeah, it would, if you had the right cables. My adapter is going to James Lockwood, but I got it from hitechcafe for $25 a couple weeks back. Looking now, they're still selling them (DEC DWZZB-MA), but they're $49 now: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=1&sku=DWZZB+MA What you get is a circuit board with two ultra-high-density 68-pin female connectors and a standard disk-drive-type power connector; its intended to be an embedded solution but you can just tape it to the inside of a disk enclosure or whatever. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 24 14:21:34 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: On May 24, Michael C. Vergallen wrote: > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > question is will it work in a IPX ? It should work fine...it may need to be jumpered to spin up on powerup, but that should be your only concern. I've used those drives on many, many different kinds of systems. -Dave McGuire From kurt at csh.rit.edu Wed May 24 14:22:10 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SBus Ethernet card... Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > Hi Kurt, > > I have one, but I want to trade for a differential SCSI adapter. > > Any chance you have one of those? > > Cordially > > Patrick Giagnocavo > a222 at redrose.net Alas, I wish I did, but I don't =( --Kurt From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 24 15:12:43 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:12:43 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Need CG3 Message-ID: Anybody got a CG3 for sale cheap? I need to thrrow a framebuffer in the old SunHELP server. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mvergall at double-barrel.be Wed May 24 15:21:13 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:21:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: Okey thanks then I will get one of those drives at 59 USD for a HH disk, not bad I think.. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 24 May 2000, Dave McGuire wrote: > On May 24, Michael C. Vergallen wrote: > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > It should work fine...it may need to be jumpered to spin up on > powerup, but that should be your only concern. I've used those drives > on many, many different kinds of systems. > > -Dave McGuire > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From kurt at csh.rit.edu Wed May 24 15:57:19 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Need CG3 Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody got a CG3 for sale cheap? > > I need to thrrow a framebuffer in the old SunHELP server. > > Bill > I've got like 4 or 5 kicking around. Give me your address and it's yours. --Kurt From hiryu at transvirtual.com Wed May 24 17:22:13 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:22:13 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of that I'm afraid. I suppose if nothing can be done I'll just break down and buy a monitor adapter. Thanks. From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 24 18:24:46 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. > All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I > wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I > connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. > > The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the > obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, > stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of > that I'm afraid. In SunOS4.x, the default rc scripts will look for /etc/hostname.le0, which should contain the machine's hostname. That is then looked up in /etc/hosts to get the IP address for that interface (le0). -Dave McGuire From hiryu at transvirtual.com Wed May 24 19:12:03 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:12:03 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:24:46PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: I did edit those two files so maybe something happened and it's not actually booting anymore. Guess I'll just have to break down and get an adapter after all. Thanks. > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. > > All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I > > wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I > > connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. > > > > The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the > > obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > > > I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, > > stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of > > that I'm afraid. > > In SunOS4.x, the default rc scripts will look for /etc/hostname.le0, > which should contain the machine's hostname. That is then looked up > in /etc/hosts to get the IP address for that interface (le0). > > -Dave McGuire > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 24 19:16:43 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: Why not just string a serial cable to ttya and log in via serial console? -Dave McGuire On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:24:46PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > I did edit those two files so maybe something happened and it's not actually > booting anymore. Guess I'll just have to break down and get an adapter after > all. > > Thanks. > > > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > > I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. > > > All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I > > > wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I > > > connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. > > > > > > The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the > > > obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > > > > > I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, > > > stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of > > > that I'm afraid. > > > > In SunOS4.x, the default rc scripts will look for /etc/hostname.le0, > > which should contain the machine's hostname. That is then looked up > > in /etc/hosts to get the IP address for that interface (le0). > > > > -Dave McGuire > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From hiryu at transvirtual.com Wed May 24 19:39:14 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:39:14 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:16:43PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Why not just string a serial cable to ttya and log in via serial > console? Sounds like a good idea, but I'm fairly inexperienced at sun hardware so I'm not entirely sure how to do that. > -Dave McGuire > > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:24:46PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > I did edit those two files so maybe something happened and it's not actually > > booting anymore. Guess I'll just have to break down and get an adapter after > > all. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > > > I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. > > > > All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I > > > > wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I > > > > connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. > > > > > > > > The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the > > > > obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, > > > > stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of > > > > that I'm afraid. > > > > > > In SunOS4.x, the default rc scripts will look for /etc/hostname.le0, > > > which should contain the machine's hostname. That is then looked up > > > in /etc/hosts to get the IP address for that interface (le0). > > > > > > -Dave McGuire > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 24 19:44:18 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:16:43PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > Why not just string a serial cable to ttya and log in via serial > > console? > > Sounds like a good idea, but I'm fairly inexperienced at sun hardware so I'm not entirely sure how to do that. It really has little or nothing to do with anything Sun-specific. Give this a try: I assume you've got a working machine with a comm program on it, or a real terminal. Get a serial cable plus whatever gender-benders you'll need to connect the two serially. If there's a keyboard plugged into the SPARCstation, unplug it. Power it up. If you don't see the bootup messages, you'll need to insert a null modem into the serial line. -Dave McGuire From earl at baugh.org Wed May 24 21:13:24 2000 From: earl at baugh.org (Earl Baugh) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 10's and 32MB memory Message-ID: >Earl Baugh wrote: >> >> Sparc 10's CAN use 32MB simms, if you've got the right >> PROM. I've seen a 10 loaded up with 32's....worked just >> fine. The Magic Prom was one of the Ross hypersparc ones >> from what I recall. > >Aaah. Something for the Sun-Ref to take notice... >You have any idea what ROM-version this could have been? >(Does this apply to all HyperSPARC-PROMs?) > > > /Regards, Bjorn I'll have to check. I believe the machine was running 125's but I'll have to call the guy who I had set up the box and see if he recalls. (He was working at a Sun VAR when I stopped by and saw the machine, so I suspect this was a pretty well understood configuration.....) Earl From a222 at redrose.net Wed May 24 22:17:14 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:17:14 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Hi, I have 2 system boards for my SS1000, thus have 4 MBus slots. 2 of those slots are filled with either 40 or 50Mhz CPUs. Both are on the first system board. If I get two more CPUs to fit on the second board, do they have to be the same speed, or can they be different speeds from the CPUs on the first board (like SM81's which run at 85Mhz)? Anyone know? Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From ron at ronguye.com Wed May 24 23:07:31 2000 From: ron at ronguye.com (Ron Nguyen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:07:31 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: Has anyone else experienced HD failures in IPX (or any lunch boxes for that matter)? The reason I ask is because I recently had a couple of HDs go bad in my IPX's. One was a 2GB the other was a 4GB. They were in two differing IPX's and happened within about four months apart. I'm wondering if it might be due to heat or something. They originally came with 200 or 400 MB drives. Thanks, Ron Nguyen "Michael C. Vergallen" wrote: > Hi, > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > Michael > --- > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL Thu May 18 08:06:49 2000 From: GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL (Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:06:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: Patrick, Those 540's Mike mentions "under the hood" are on /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/ - *dma at 0,81000* - that's the internal controller (and SCSI card) on the XDBUS. It is the "half" card located on top of the front drive tray assembly with the reset button and DB25 female socket on it. Plugs into the XDBUS opposite the motherboards. Usually holds the machine specific information (ser #, ethernet, etc.) /io-unit at f,e1200000 is the interface to the XDBUS on the second motherboard (1). /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/ - *dma at 1,81000* is on the first motherboard (0) and is where the 548 (SCSI tray) is connected (SCSI port on back of board). /sbi at 0,0 is the SBUS interface on that board. /esp at 1,80000 is an individual SBUS "plug" on that board and on an SS1000 motherboard it's the SBUS interface dedicated to the on-board SCSI. Me thinks you are going to have to build a /dev reference to this "external" SCSI bus and drive. What I hear is that the operating system does not recognize the presence of the device. Adding devices is not always trivial... Have you done a "boot -r" with the drive tray attached? I don't know for sure, but some SBUS cards can go unrecognized on SPARCstation's without one. Moving an ethernet card over an SBUS slot is an example. It "disappears" until you reboot with the -r option. The -r option apparently rewrites the /dev file for the card so it can be "found" by the OS. Your SCSI tray is similar in that it is a "new" device on the XDBUS. There might be no way for Solaris to see it until a /dev entry is written. The prom does see it (probe-scsi-all found it) but otherwise you can't get at it, right? Failing the -r option, try mounting it using the entire device name..."/io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/esp at 1,80000/sd at 0,2". The /sd at 0,2 is not unique without the preceding interface details. A "boot disk 2" command from the ok prompt will default to the /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 unit since it is the "first" in search order. Device numbers on the SCSI tray are preset. You have placed your 548 in the "ID2" socket. SCA drives get their "number" from the "socket" you place them in (In a Sparc 20 it's ID3 for the bottom socket, top socket is ID0 (or is it 1?-I forget!)) q-8] Good luck DG Dave Garten Coml: (703) 614-4616 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Nicewonger [mailto:twmaster at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:32 PM To: rescue at sunhelp.org Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... In the front of that machine, behind the face cover and next to the open drive bays, there is mounting space for up to 4 3 1/2" hard disks, so I would bet they are connected to that bus. As for the other busses I dunno. Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Giagnocavo To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... > > The actual error messages might be instructive... > > > > DG > > OK, here is some more information: > > I have two drive trays. I only connected one, after placing ONE drive in > the tray (all others were removed). > > probe-scsi-all gives: > > /io-unit at f,e1200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 > > /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/esp at 1,80000 > Target 2 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30548 > > /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 > Target 0 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 1 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 2 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 3 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 5 > Unit 0 Removable Tape EXABYTE EXB-8505SMBANSH20793 06644396 > Target 6 > Unit 0 Removable Read Only Device SONY CDU 561 SUNMSCD1.9K > > (I had to type this in, since I am using a Wyse 60 terminal on the Sun.) > > I have been trying to understand this output. > > Do I have 3 different SCSI interfaces on this system? Of just two, but one > can handle 14 devices instead of 7? Or what? > > Cordially > > Patrick Giagnocavo > a222 at redrose.net > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From brt at osk.sema.se Thu May 25 01:32:47 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:32:47 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for low-cost 2 Gig SCA drives??? Full-height drives? Message-ID: James Lockwood wrote: > > > They also have one of my all-time favorite drives, Seagate 3.5 Gig (formats down > > to 2.9 Gig) 5 1/4" full-height drives for $25/each: > > > > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST43400N > > If anyone is looking for the differential variant of this (ST43401ND, > fast/wide/diff) I have upwards of a dozen of them brand new in OEM > packaging. Asking $10/ea plus shipping in quantity. 2.1GB > fast/narrow/diff $5/ea in quantity. I'd suspect shipping these all the way over to Europe would cost me a fortune... Where are you located? /Regards, Bjorn From brt at osk.sema.se Thu May 25 01:44:00 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:44:00 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > > Hi, > > I have 2 system boards for my SS1000, thus have 4 MBus slots. > > 2 of those slots are filled with either 40 or 50Mhz CPUs. Both are on the > first system board. > > If I get two more CPUs to fit on the second board, do they have to be the > same speed, or can they be different speeds from the CPUs on the first board > (like SM81's which run at 85Mhz)? A rule-of-thumb on the SS1000(E) is to always fill it up with equal CPUs. If you can't find an 'E' on the front, and you're sure that these are either SM41 or SM51, you have the "usual SS1000" model. That one, along with the SC2000, had only a 40MHz XDBus/Mbus just like the SS10. As you might suspect, the 'E'-models had a 50MHz XDBus/Mbus, and therefore ran SM61 and SM81, like the SS20. All in all, Check what kind of CPU's you have, then check the appropriate partnumber on your second board, just to make sure you didn't got an 'E'-model. (Cause if you do, you can't run it in your SS1000) Remember also that you need SMx1, models with e-cache. It won't work with cache-less SM40 or SM50. /Regards, Bjorn From koch at pz.pirmasens.de Thu May 25 03:03:41 2000 From: koch at pz.pirmasens.de (Peter Koch) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:03:41 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: Hi! >The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? >I've edited a few of the obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). Obviously you ignored the most obvious one ;-) Question: Why do make these Linux-centric guys everything so complicated? The IP-Address of the machine is stored in /etc/hosts where all other IP addresses are stored too. No fancy /etc/rc.config is needed. >I suppose if nothing can be done I'll just break down and buy a monitor adapter. Any Sun will run fine with a serial terminal as console. Tschuess Peter From mcguire at neurotica.com Thu May 25 04:13:46 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: IPXs don't have the best cooling, that's for sure...but I don't think I've ever run anything smaller than a 2gb drive in an IPX and have never had a failure... -Dave McGuire On May 24, Ron Nguyen wrote: > Has anyone else experienced HD failures in IPX (or any lunch boxes for that > matter)? The reason I ask is because I recently had a couple of HDs go bad > in my IPX's. One was a 2GB the other was a 4GB. They were in two differing > IPX's and happened within about four months apart. I'm wondering if it might > be due to heat or something. They originally came with 200 or 400 MB drives. > > Thanks, > Ron Nguyen > > "Michael C. Vergallen" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > > > Michael > > --- > > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From erico at bendcable.com Thu May 25 04:33:36 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:33:36 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: I run a 6.4 GB Quantum in my LX and it runs fine, before that, I ran it in an IPC. I think it's a 7200 rpm drive. I recently got some 2GB HP SureStore drives and they run hot as hell. I keep my coffee HOT on them. Quick off topic question... what does IPC, IPX, or LX stand for? I've heard IPC stands for Internet Personal Computer or something like that. Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave McGuire" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! > > IPXs don't have the best cooling, that's for sure...but I don't > think I've ever run anything smaller than a 2gb drive in an IPX and > have never had a failure... > > -Dave McGuire > > On May 24, Ron Nguyen wrote: > > Has anyone else experienced HD failures in IPX (or any lunch boxes for that > > matter)? The reason I ask is because I recently had a couple of HDs go bad > > in my IPX's. One was a 2GB the other was a 4GB. They were in two differing > > IPX's and happened within about four months apart. I'm wondering if it might > > be due to heat or something. They originally came with 200 or 400 MB drives. > > > > Thanks, > > Ron Nguyen > > > > "Michael C. Vergallen" wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > > > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > > > > > Michael > > > --- > > > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > > > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > > > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > > > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mcguire at neurotica.com Thu May 25 04:30:03 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: On May 25, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > Quick off topic question... what does IPC, IPX, or LX stand for? I've heard > IPC stands > for Internet Personal Computer or something like that. If they stand for anything (which I doubt), it certainly wouldn't be "Internet"-anything. The IPC came out well before the Internet started turning into the giant commercial cesspool that it is now, so no company would have any motivation calling their product "internet"-anything. The SPARCstations were/are simply desktop engineering workstations. -Dave McGuire From martin at dsres.com Thu May 25 09:36:28 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:36:28 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > I have 2 system boards for my SS1000, thus have 4 MBus slots. > 2 of those slots are filled with either 40 or 50Mhz CPUs. Both are on the > first system board. > If I get two more CPUs to fit on the second board, do they have to > be the same speed, or can they be different speeds from the CPUs on > the first board (like SM81's which run at 85Mhz)? There are two separate issues. Firstly, different CPU revisions need slightly different initialisation by the boot ROM, so certain combinations won't work at all. Secondly, the OS scheduler assumes all CPUs are the same speed. If they aren't, then scheduling will be non-optimal and some processes may suffer starvation. Both of these mean that mixing different CPUs is a Bad Thing. I should acknowledge that I didn't know either of these things until James Lockwood posted about them a month or so ago. ;) --m From wedge at onlineimage.com Thu May 25 09:59:29 2000 From: wedge at onlineimage.com (Matthew Haas) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SE SCSI Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > adapter? > Excuse my ignorance.. but what is this "SE" SCSI I've seen floating around the list? Is it some rather new standard or an acronym for something I readily know? ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 StarRaiders * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - - || | || Lynx/Jaguar NetBSD 1.4.2 * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - -------------------------------------------------------------------- From nick at ns.snowman.net Thu May 25 10:33:37 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SE SCSI Message-ID: It's the plain old scsi you know and love. It stands for "Single Ended" and is to differ from differential scsi. (and lvd now) Nick On Thu, 25 May 2000, Matthew Haas wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > > > > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > > adapter? > > > > Excuse my ignorance.. but what is this "SE" SCSI I've seen floating around > the list? Is it some rather new standard or an acronym for something I > readily know? > > ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- > - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - > - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - > - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 StarRaiders * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - > - || | || Lynx/Jaguar NetBSD 1.4.2 * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From martin at dsres.com Thu May 25 10:21:05 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:21:05 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SE SCSI Message-ID: Matthew Haas wrote: > Excuse my ignorance.. but what is this "SE" SCSI I've seen floating around > the list? Is it some rather new standard or an acronym for something I > readily know? Single-Ended. The cheapest and simplest type of SCSI bus, where all the return lines for all the signals are simply connected to the same ground. Also sometimes called `normal' SCSI, as most of the controllers and drives out there are of this type. As distinct from LVD (Low Voltage Differential) and HVD (High Voltage Differential, also known simply as `differential'), where each signal's return line is driven to the opposite polarity to the signal itself. --m From GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL Thu May 25 10:38:15 2000 From: GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL (Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:38:15 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FC-AL SCSI Message-ID: Good day, Anybody got the bubble on Fiber Channel (FC) SCSI? Are there internal FC S-bus or PCI adapters? Can we use these FC drives (like ST318203LC) without nose-bleed expenses on RAID arrays? What's this about 40 pin SCA. Are there any "stand-alone" solutions in reach of mere mortals? TIA DG Dave Garten Coml: (703) 614-4616 From ward at zilla.nu Thu May 25 11:55:14 2000 From: ward at zilla.nu (ward at zilla.nu) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:55:14 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] FC-AL SCSI Message-ID: I use both SBus and PCI adapters. I like Jaycor, as they work well with EMC. Never hooked up drives directly, though. I have what looks like a 40pin SCA, but I dunno; came out of a NetApp, and they claim FC to the disk. Reagen On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 11:38:15AM -0400, Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R wrote: > Good day, > Anybody got the bubble on Fiber Channel (FC) SCSI? Are there > internal FC S-bus or PCI adapters? Can we use these FC drives (like > ST318203LC) without nose-bleed expenses on RAID arrays? What's this about > 40 pin SCA. Are there any "stand-alone" solutions in reach of mere mortals? > > TIA > > DG > Dave Garten > Coml: (703) 614-4616 > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue -- "Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat." -- John Lehman, Secretary of the US Navy 1981-1987 From sammy at oh.verio.com Thu May 25 13:11:01 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] FC-AL SCSI Message-ID: On Thu, 25 May 2000, Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R wrote: > Good day, > Anybody got the bubble on Fiber Channel (FC) SCSI? Are there > internal FC S-bus or PCI adapters? Can we use these FC drives (like > ST318203LC) without nose-bleed expenses on RAID arrays? What's this about > 40 pin SCA. Are there any "stand-alone" solutions in reach of mere mortals? 40-pin SCA is really a FC disk interface... I've got a whole bunch of cheetahs sitting upstairs like that... I've used the Qlogic 2200 FC cards under linux/i386, but never dealt with it on sparc... There "are" stand-alone solutions, but it's still pretty pricey... and any remotely cheap solution for FC is going to involve rolling your own setup, basically... -- Sam "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From twmaster at earthlink.net Thu May 25 16:26:48 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:26:48 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: > > Secondly, the OS scheduler assumes all CPUs are the same speed. If > they aren't, then scheduling will be non-optimal and some processes > may suffer starvation. > OK, miss matched CPU's = BadThing Now, I am seeing conflicting information when poking about on the web, I have an SS1000, non-"E" model, I have recently acquired 4 new SM-81-2, that is the CPU with 2 MB cache. Can the SS1000 non E utilize the second meg of cache? or is that limited to the "E" and the SS2000? Cheers, Mike N From martin at dsres.com Thu May 25 17:24:37 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:24:37 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Mike Nicewonger wrote: > Now, I am seeing conflicting information when poking about on the web, I > have an SS1000, non-"E" model, I have recently acquired 4 new SM-81-2, that > is the CPU with 2 MB cache. Can the SS1000 non E utilize the second meg of > cache? or is that limited to the "E" and the SS2000? I believe that not even the SS1000E can use the second megabyte. The SC2000 has two independent XDBus which use one megabyte each, but the SS1000E is just an SS1000 with the XDBus at 50MHz instead of 40MHz. I may be wrong here, but I believe this is the case. My SS1000E simply has eight normal 1Mb SM61s in. (If anyone wants to send me eight SM81-2s, I'm quite happy to test them out.) ;) On a related note, does anyone have a rack-mounting kit for a SS1000 for sale/trade? --m From mvergall at double-barrel.be Thu May 25 19:32:25 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:32:25 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: Nope I doubdt it because if that was the case my pile of old suns would have had fried disc's every week. I think that my disc was just old ! Will check when I pull the disc but in my case I would guess that because the machine is used as a mail & homedirectory server so lots of writes & deletes to a section of the disc that the platters ended up being worn out after to my recollection 6 or 8 years ( I think the latter) of 24/7 uptime it is normal that the disc is starting to fail ( normaly they only last 5 years in my environment ). Luckily I found a replacement disc without a lot of problem. Ordered a few disc's today so to have some SCSI 50pins as spares because you really have to be lucky to still find them. Should be here tomorrow, I just told the person at www.hitechcafe.com to UPS Red them to me because I need to have my data archives on-line and now I have to search trough the hardcopy's of them and that is hell if you are like me and have a room full of paper's but don't have a decent way to store the documents so you just pile everything is whatever folder or closset you can to have it out of the way. You end up not being able to find anything. Becuase the index of my storage system is on the now defunct mail server's disc. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 24 May 2000, Ron Nguyen wrote: > Has anyone else experienced HD failures in IPX (or any lunch boxes for that > matter)? The reason I ask is because I recently had a couple of HDs go bad > in my IPX's. One was a 2GB the other was a 4GB. They were in two differing > IPX's and happened within about four months apart. I'm wondering if it might > be due to heat or something. They originally came with 200 or 400 MB drives. > > Thanks, > Ron Nguyen > > "Michael C. Vergallen" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > > > Michael > > --- > > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From hiryu at transvirtual.com Thu May 25 18:12:35 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:12:35 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 10:03:41AM +0200, Peter Koch wrote: > Hi! > > >The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? > >I've edited a few of the obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > Obviously you ignored the most obvious one ;-) > > Question: Why do make these Linux-centric guys everything so complicated? > > The IP-Address of the machine is stored in /etc/hosts where all other IP addresses are stored too. No fancy /etc/rc.config is needed. I did edit /etc/hosts, the system most not be booting anymore. I got the idea that I had to edit a lot of files because you do for solaris, not because I'm linux-centric. ^_^ > > >I suppose if nothing can be done I'll just break down and buy a monitor adapter. > > Any Sun will run fine with a serial terminal as console. If I had a sun with a working monitor, I wouldn't be asking these questions. I guess I have to install from scratch. Know where I can get a copy of SunOS 4.* for the SPARC Classic? > Tschuess > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From james at foonly.com Thu May 25 18:30:34 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Thu, 25 May 2000, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > >The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? ... > I did edit /etc/hosts, the system most not be booting anymore. > I got the idea that I had to edit a lot of files because you do for > solaris, not because I'm linux-centric. ^_^ The procedure for changing your IP address is idential on SunOS 4.* and all versions of Solaris. Simply change /etc/hosts. > If I had a sun with a working monitor, I wouldn't be asking these questions. Why not? -James From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 25 19:59:34 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:59:34 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] workstations.org revamped Message-ID: I've revamped workstations.org in the style of the new SunHELP page, let me know what you think (I need a differing color scheme...) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 25 20:11:56 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:11:56 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody want wireless ethernet? Message-ID: I've got a pile (actually, two) Proxim RangeLAN/ISA wireless ethernet networking cards, and a new-in-box Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA kit, along with a floppy disk with the "latest" (last) revision of all the drivers for the pile. These are wireless ethernet cards that work with DOS / Novell / Windows Networking (but NOT with Win95 or higher, unless you want to write your own drivers). I beleive they run at around 256k for data transfer. These are *NOT* the RangeLAN/2 or Symphony 802.11-standard-based cards; these are the original thing, circa '92-93ish. Anybody want these tot play with them? Offer me some trinket or something nifty in return, and they're yours.. I've got to get them out of my way. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From hiryu at transvirtual.com Fri May 26 01:27:13 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:27:13 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 04:30:34PM -0700, James Lockwood wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2000, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > > >The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? > > ... > > > I did edit /etc/hosts, the system most not be booting anymore. > > > I got the idea that I had to edit a lot of files because you do for > > solaris, not because I'm linux-centric. ^_^ > > The procedure for changing your IP address is idential on SunOS 4.* and > all versions of Solaris. Simply change /etc/hosts. > > > If I had a sun with a working monitor, I wouldn't be asking these questions. Because then I'd have something to use for a serial terminal or I'd be able to use the monitor from that machine on the classic. Why not? > > -James > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From brt at osk.sema.se Fri May 26 01:49:22 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:49:22 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Martin Frost wrote: > > I believe that not even the SS1000E can use the second megabyte. > The SC2000 has two independent XDBus which use one megabyte each, > but the SS1000E is just an SS1000 with the XDBus at 50MHz instead > of 40MHz. I may be wrong here, but I believe this is the case. I don't know about the first statement, haven't got a clue, but it sure sounds like it would be possible. You're right about the second statement though. Everything in the machine, including backplane and the odd-ball "SCSI-controller" on the front, is just 50MHz clocked instead of 40MHz. The SC2000E is done the same. > My SS1000E simply has eight normal 1Mb SM61s in. (If anyone wants > to send me eight SM81-2s, I'm quite happy to test them out.) ;) Feels like they'd cost me a smaller fortune. If I believe my memory right, there was an issue concerning 2MB e-cache and the Mbus on smaller machines, which made the SC2000E the only machine that these wonderful modules could work, with full 2MB e-cache. I don't know if I'm right about this one, but I'm almost certain I've read this somewhere... > On a related note, does anyone have a rack-mounting kit for a > SS1000 for sale/trade? Try yank some old x90 cabinets and use the rails that holds the cardcage up. Works like a charm, atleast for us. Although, we're going to build 10-12 more rails with holes underneath (where the "feet" are one the SS1000), to really tighten these into the cabinet. Remember to put enough ventilation in front-side of the cabinet (if you use the Sun Datacenter cabinet), cause it might build up some heat in there. If you look up the FEH, you can see a Sun Partnumber for a fan assembly that sits right in the front, to push fresh air into the cabinet. These was standard on the SPARCcluster 1000. (two SS1000 cross-connected with two SPARCstorage Array 100) /Regards, Bjorn From twmaster at earthlink.net Fri May 26 11:31:41 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:31:41 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: > Martin Frost wrote: > > > > I believe that not even the SS1000E can use the second megabyte. > > The SC2000 has two independent XDBus which use one megabyte each, > > but the SS1000E is just an SS1000 with the XDBus at 50MHz instead > > of 40MHz. I may be wrong here, but I believe this is the case. > Well Pooh! I have 4 of the SM-81-2's that I cannot use as intended. Mike N From bobk at sinister.com Fri May 26 17:19:04 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] What drives will fit in ss5? Message-ID: Hi guys, I have an ss5 board sitting in an ss4 case, and I am wondering if the 18.2GB hitachi drives on hitechcafe.com will fit and work in this thing. They say the drives are 1.6" high. I'd try to measure the clearance but I haven't got a mounting bracket yet (anyone got one cheap?) damned yankee bob keyes From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sat May 27 18:29:18 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:29:18 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] What drives will fit in ss5? Message-ID: You need a caddy, and the caddy only accepts 1" drives. You can "hack-up" the caddy, but I would suggest instead springing for an external drive case instead... If yo go "external" you can look at full-height drives (that *no one* wants) at great prices! HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobk" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 6:19 PM Subject: [SunRescue] What drives will fit in ss5? > Hi guys, > I have an ss5 board sitting in an ss4 case, and I am wondering if the > 18.2GB hitachi drives on hitechcafe.com will fit and work in this thing. > They say the drives are 1.6" high. I'd try to measure the clearance but I > haven't got a mounting bracket yet (anyone got one cheap?) > > damned yankee bob keyes > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Fri May 26 19:47:42 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:47:42 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] VT420 termcap/terminfo entries? Message-ID: Anyone have any links for a termcap or terminfo entry I could add for my VT420? I'm using VT220 emu now, but would like to use VT420. Also, does Solaris automatically choose from either /etc/termcap or /usr/lib/terminfo, or do I have to set it somewhere as to where to look? Thanks, Paul -- Paul Khoury Tech Support pkhoury3 at earthlink.net From volker at Illuminatus.MZ.Rhein-Main.DE Sat May 27 01:18:01 2000 From: volker at Illuminatus.MZ.Rhein-Main.DE (Volker Schmidt) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:18:01 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] VT420 termcap/terminfo entries? Message-ID: Hi! Quoting Paul Khoury - Tech Support (pkhoury3 at earthlink.net) [000526 17:47]: > Anyone have any links for a termcap or terminfo entry I could > add for my VT420? Most recent I know is inside the ncurses distribution. For years this was located on , but it seems moving. ftpsearch ist your friend. > I'm using VT220 emu now, but would like to use VT420. Also, > does Solaris automatically choose from either /etc/termcap or > /usr/lib/terminfo, or do I have to set it somewhere as to where > to look? Check /etc/inittab for a console entry. In the ttymon line might be a "-T"-parameter; change it as you like. Celeste Stokely at has very fine hints on consoles, ttys and modems on SUN's, plus a bag of nice scripts for handling the saf-, ttymon-machinery... HTH. regards, --volker -- Ticking away the moments that makes up a dull day | Pink You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way | Floyd Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town | (Time, Waiting for someone or something to show you the way | 1973) From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sun May 28 07:38:00 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:38:00 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BFC880.0800EA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I = am stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP addresses, = but not names. I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all = available Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and running, = suspend etc. I manually adjusted these values: Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: 192.168.1.32 tadpole ###.###.###.### nameserver ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: # /etc/resolv.conf domain bellatlantic.net nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values = it got from bellatlantic.net) nameserver ###.###.###.### Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file # /etc/defaultrouter 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, = names not available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can telnet/ping = valid IP addresses at will - but sun.com comes up as an unknown host... Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if = there is somewhere where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - but I can't = remember/find it documented. (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware = appears to be=20 functioning fine... Thanks in advance, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend = :^( Oh well) ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BFC880.0800EA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
    I just rebuilt my = SPARCBook 3GX=20 with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I am
stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access = the internet=20 using IP addresses, but
not names.
 
I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg = Recommended=20 Patch Cluster, and all available
Tadpole-specific tools - the = laptop runs fine,=20 cot CDE up and running, suspend etc.
 
I manually adjusted these = values:
 
    Added a host and two = name=20 servers to /etc/hosts:
 
       =20 192.168.1.32    tadpole
       =20 ###.###.###.###    nameserver
       =20 ###.###.###.###    nameserver2 (?) from = memory
 
    Created = /etc/resolv.conf with=20 the following:
 
        # = /etc/resolv.conf
        domain=20 bellatlantic.net
        = nameserver=20 ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it got from=20 bellatlantic.net)
        = nameserver=20 ###.###.###.###
 
    Then I created a=20 /etc/defaultrouter file
 
        # = /etc/defaultrouter
        = 192.168.1.1=20 (my DSL router IP)
 
As I said, I can access machine on my = local network=20 by IP (DHCP WinPCs, names not
available, no local nameserver to = resolve them),=20 and I can telnet/ping valid IP addresses
at will - but sun.com comes up as an = unknown=20 host...
 
Any ideas? I question the domain line = in=20 /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if there is somewhere
where I need to tell Solaris to use = DNS, then files=20 - but I can't remember/find it documented.
 
(BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be = found by=20 name, of course)
 
AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a = pure=20 Solaris issue, the hardware appears to be
functioning fine...
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ken
n2vip at bellatlantic.net<= /DIV>
(Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... = Wish it came=20 for the long weekend :^(  Oh well)
------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BFC880.0800EA30-- From mvergall at mail.double-barrel.be Sat May 27 08:08:02 2000 From: mvergall at mail.double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:08:02 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: You also need to add dns to the line hosts: files in nsswitch.conf. Then you should get it working. BTW what hd did you get in there ? I have a tadpole 3GX but would like to get a bigger disc for it. Michael --- On Sun, 28 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > Hello, > I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I am > stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP addresses, but > not names. > > I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all available > Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and running, suspend etc. > > I manually adjusted these values: > > Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: > > 192.168.1.32 tadpole > ###.###.###.### nameserver > ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory > > Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: > > # /etc/resolv.conf > domain bellatlantic.net > nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it got from bellatlantic.net) > nameserver ###.###.###.### > > Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file > > # /etc/defaultrouter > 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) > > As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, names not > available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can telnet/ping valid IP addresses > at will - but sun.com comes up as an unknown host... > > Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if there is somewhere > where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - but I can't remember/find it documented. > > (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) > > AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware appears to be > functioning fine... > > Thanks in advance, > > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend :^( Oh well) > From paul at partitura.com Sat May 27 09:11:53 2000 From: paul at partitura.com (Paul Phillips) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:11:53 -0600 Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: Ken - Did you edit /etc/nsswitch.conf so it will use dns? If not, you must change the line that reads hosts: files to hosts: files dns Reboot, then it should work. Good luck. Paul Phillips --On Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:38 AM -0400 Ken Hansen wrote: > > Hello, > I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I > am stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP > addresses, but not names. > > I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all > available Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and > running, suspend etc. > > I manually adjusted these values: > > Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: > > 192.168.1.32 tadpole > ###.###.###.### nameserver > ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory > > Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: > > # /etc/resolv.conf > domain bellatlantic.net > nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it > got from bellatlantic.net) nameserver ###.###.###.### > > Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file > > # /etc/defaultrouter > 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) > > As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, > names not available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can > telnet/ping valid IP addresses at will - but sun.com comes up as an > unknown host... > > Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if > there is somewhere where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - > but I can't remember/find it documented. > > (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) > > AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware > appears to be functioning fine... > > Thanks in advance, > > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend > :^( Oh well) ___________________________________________________ Paul Phillips Director of Orchestral Activities, Meadows School of the Arts Southern Methodist University "You must sing every note you play, sing even through the rests!" Arturo Toscanini From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sun May 28 22:32:32 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:32:32 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: I ordered the 6.4 GIg HD w/IDE->SCSI adapter for $400 from one of the suppliers listed at Hugos SPARCBook FAQ. Pricey, but I needed an adapter and this got the deal done quickly. Very happy with the upgrade so far - I do not regret it at all (I also just bought 2x32 Meg SIMMs at a local computer show - took my SPARCbook with me, tested on the spot, cost about $100). With 64 M RAM and 6.4G HD, this is a nice little unit (3GX unit). Thanks for the pointer - my laptop is powering up as I write... Ken Hansen n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... > You also need to add dns to the line hosts: files in nsswitch.conf. > > Then you should get it working. > BTW what hd did you get in there ? I have a tadpole 3GX but would like to > get a bigger disc for it. > > > Michael > --- > > On Sun, 28 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > Hello, > > I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I am > > stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP addresses, but > > not names. > > > > I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all available > > Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and running, suspend etc. > > > > I manually adjusted these values: > > > > Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: > > > > 192.168.1.32 tadpole > > ###.###.###.### nameserver > > ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory > > > > Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: > > > > # /etc/resolv.conf > > domain bellatlantic.net > > nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it got from bellatlantic.net) > > nameserver ###.###.###.### > > > > Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file > > > > # /etc/defaultrouter > > 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) > > > > As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, names not > > available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can telnet/ping valid IP addresses > > at will - but sun.com comes up as an unknown host... > > > > Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if there is somewhere > > where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - but I can't remember/find it documented. > > > > (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) > > > > AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware appears to be > > functioning fine... > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Ken > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend :^( Oh well) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sun May 28 22:56:38 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:56:38 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: Yipee! It worked - Thanks one and all (actually Michael & Paul) - now my Tadpole laptop (hostname tadpole - it just seemed right) can access the wealth that is the Internet, on to download a decent browser (Hot Java is only *so* good, and Netscape 3.X is not worth the effort to install from CD in solaris 2.6 distrobution... Thanks again, Ken n2vip at njcc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... > You also need to add dns to the line hosts: files in nsswitch.conf. > > Then you should get it working. > BTW what hd did you get in there ? I have a tadpole 3GX but would like to > get a bigger disc for it. > > > Michael > --- > > On Sun, 28 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > Hello, > > I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I am > > stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP addresses, but > > not names. > > > > I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all available > > Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and running, suspend etc. > > > > I manually adjusted these values: > > > > Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: > > > > 192.168.1.32 tadpole > > ###.###.###.### nameserver > > ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory > > > > Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: > > > > # /etc/resolv.conf > > domain bellatlantic.net > > nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it got from bellatlantic.net) > > nameserver ###.###.###.### > > > > Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file > > > > # /etc/defaultrouter > > 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) > > > > As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, names not > > available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can telnet/ping valid IP addresses > > at will - but sun.com comes up as an unknown host... > > > > Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if there is somewhere > > where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - but I can't remember/find it documented. > > > > (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) > > > > AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware appears to be > > functioning fine... > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Ken > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend :^( Oh well) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From ido at physics.utexas.edu Sun May 28 07:30:15 2000 From: ido at physics.utexas.edu (Ido Dubrawsky) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 07:30:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Dave McGuire wrote: > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > It really has little or nothing to do with anything Sun-specific. > Give this a try: > > I assume you've got a working machine with a comm program on it, or > a real terminal. Get a serial cable plus whatever gender-benders > you'll need to connect the two serially. If there's a keyboard > plugged into the SPARCstation, unplug it. Power it up. If you > don't see the bootup messages, you'll need to insert a null modem > into the serial line. > At work, we use the Cisco male 25-PIN connector to plug into the Sun's ttyA and on my laptop I hook in the Cisco 9-PIN connector (these connectors come with every router and other piece of network equipment I've gotten from Cisco). You then just use a standard CAT-5 ethernet cable between the two and voila! Instant TTY console on your Sun box... For terminal software, I use minicom (you can even get it to work on a Solaris box and it's great...) Ido -- Ido Dubrawsky Team Lead, UNIX and Network Systems E-mail: ido at globeset.com Infrastructure Systems/Facilties Globeset.com Austin, TX From hiryu at transvirtual.com Sun May 28 17:03:58 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:03:58 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: THanks, I'll see if I have that stuff at work so I can give it a try. -Cameron From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Sun May 28 20:58:56 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:58:56 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] memory addressing in solaris Message-ID: Does anyone know how much memory Solaris can allot to each process, considering you have the most memory a machine could support (in the GB range)? From james at foonly.com Sun May 28 21:27:10 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] memory addressing in solaris Message-ID: On Sun, 28 May 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > Does anyone know how much memory Solaris can allot to each process, > considering > you have the most memory a machine could support (in the GB range)? In 64-bit mode on an UltraSparc, as much memory as the machine physically has (no Sun currently planned has anywhere near 2^64 bytes). In 32-bit mode it varies from 3GB to 4GB, depending on the kernel arch and the OS version. I could quote from memory but I'd probably be wrong, and the differences are minor. -James From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Sun May 28 21:40:35 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:40:35 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] memory addressing in solaris Message-ID: At 07:27 PM 5/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >On Sun, 28 May 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > >> Does anyone know how much memory Solaris can allot to each process, >> considering >> you have the most memory a machine could support (in the GB range)? > >In 64-bit mode on an UltraSparc, as much memory as the machine physically >has (no Sun currently planned has anywhere near 2^64 bytes). > Which is how many TB? =) >In 32-bit mode it varies from 3GB to 4GB, depending on the kernel arch and >the OS version. I could quote from memory but I'd probably be wrong, and >the differences are minor. > Ahh. Just was wondering to compare with a coworkers' comment about how much NT can address. Paul From james at foonly.com Sun May 28 21:58:21 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] memory addressing in solaris Message-ID: On Sun, 28 May 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > >In 64-bit mode on an UltraSparc, as much memory as the machine physically > >has (no Sun currently planned has anywhere near 2^64 bytes). > > > Which is how many TB? =) 16384. I think the real "limit" right now is 8192TB, though. > >In 32-bit mode it varies from 3GB to 4GB, depending on the kernel arch and > >the OS version. I could quote from memory but I'd probably be wrong, and > >the differences are minor. > > > Ahh. Just was wondering to compare with a coworkers' comment about how > much NT can address. Guesstimates from memory (may well be wrong!): 32-bit app running under 64-bit kernel: 4GB 32-bit app running under 32-bit sun4u: 3.95GB 32-bit app running under 32-bit sun4m: 3.75GB Solaris 2.5 or older: 3GB -James From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 29 00:05:53 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:05:53 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that up..) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Tue May 30 00:17:29 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:17:29 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: I am I don't and I welcome you to the fold! WHat class license are you going for - I have a no-code Tech, and I may upgrade someday soon, but no real rush at this point. I would like to do voice on HF (1 -> 30 Mhz), but too lazy to study Morse and my wife would balk a any serious antennas for anything under 2 meters! Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradford" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:05 AM Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From brt at osk.sema.se Mon May 29 01:42:21 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:42:21 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] What drives will fit in ss5? Message-ID: bobk wrote: > > Hi guys, > I have an ss5 board sitting in an ss4 case, and I am wondering if the > 18.2GB hitachi drives on hitechcafe.com will fit and work in this thing. > They say the drives are 1.6" high. I'd try to measure the clearance but I > haven't got a mounting bracket yet (anyone got one cheap?) Only 1" high drives will fit into your SS5. Incase you'd be willing to sacrifice the second harddrive connector, you can remove the SCA-connector on that backplane, along with all pins that might be sticking out. Ofcourse you render the backplane worthless for dual-drive operation, but atleast you can run your 1.6" drive with a charm. Oh, and remove the handle on the mounting bracket. You will have a quite difficult time trying to fit it with a 1.6" drive. :-) /Regards, Bjorn From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 29 04:24:29 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 04:24:29 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 01:17:29AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > I am I don't and I welcome you to the fold! > WHat class license are you going for - I have a no-code Tech, and > I may upgrade someday soon, but no real rush at this point. I would > like to do voice on HF (1 -> 30 Mhz), but too lazy to study Morse > and my wife would balk a any serious antennas for anything under > 2 meters! > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net I'm going for the no-code Tech at first, then will get the code stuff out of the way in a month or two. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Mon May 29 04:31:55 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:31:55 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] more termcap questions Message-ID: If I want to copy over a new termcap file from a linux installation to solaris, is that possible? I tried doing so (making backups of the old file, of course) in /usr/share/lib, but when I tried specifiying my term as vt420, it didn't recognize it (and this termcap file has that entry). Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 29 13:05:07 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) > > Bill Hey, Bill.... contrats! Sorry, no equipment for sale, though, and all mine is 50 years old and more, so, few folks want to run that kind of gear. But, for sure, welcome aboard. ZUT OM DE NA4G/Bob UP From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 29 14:40:23 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Archive Tape Drive Jumpers for Sun3 toyz????? Message-ID: Does anyone have the correct jumpering for various tape drives of the Archive 2150S or the older QIC36+scsi interposer controller board types? I have the mt02 manual, but I need the jumper settings for the 2150S for use on sun3 vme crates, and the same for the QIC36 drives. There are 6 pins on the back of the QIC36 drives, and about 24 on the back of the 2150S scsi things. I am trying to get my sun 3/60's up, and what works with sunos does not work with NetBSD on the same settings. I am trying to figure out why. Thanks Bob From kris at hiwaay.net Mon May 29 22:19:45 2000 From: kris at hiwaay.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:19:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) No. ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." From ari.reen at nokia.com Mon May 29 23:58:09 2000 From: ari.reen at nokia.com (Ari Reen) Date: 30 May 2000 07:58:09 +0300 Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: Tervehdys EXT Bill Bradford writes: > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) > I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) Yes, No (it would be in OH-land anyway) and Welcome to the crowd 73 de OH2BBW From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 00:26:58 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:26:58 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] need/want ss20 RAM (1 DIMM) - also, a few odd bits for sale/trade... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFCA9F.5061F0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, As I read last week the Ultra 2 I am expecting uses SS20-style RAM, and when I checked out my SS10, I found 3 SS20-spec (50 ns) RAM DIMMs installed. If I can find one more stick, I'll have the four I need to = add another 256 Meg RAM to my new machine... I would like to either buy (for low price) a 64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 = spec. DIMM, or, if possible, trade something I have for it. I can offer an = SCSI/Ethernet adapter (Fast SCSI/10 Mb/s Ethernet) in exchange if that would make you happy... = I have other bits as well, so if there is some older bit you could use in = exchange for your SS20 spec. 64 Meg RAM DIMM, please email me privately. The Etherent/SCSI card is worth about $75 or so, right? If my = estimates are way off, I reserve the right to pull my trade offer (Hey, it's 1:20 am = local time and I went without caffine *nearly* all day)... Thanks in advance, Ken Hansen n2vip at bellatlantic.net PS: Anyone interested in a 4 port 10 Mb/s SBUS card, as well as a Sun = HSI/S set (card, cable, paddle in new condition) please let me know. I'd probably = be willing to trade either for a full 256 Meg bank (4x64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 RAM)... Oh, = and I could use an Ultra 2 drive tray/holder (Memoryx has them for $23.95 + S/H,any = cheaper?). Thanks again, Ken PPS: Finally, I have two 1/4" tapes, SunOS 4.1.1 (tape 1 of 2 and tape 2 = of 2) - any offers? These are untested but look nearly unused... ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFCA9F.5061F0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
    As I read last week = the Ultra 2=20 I am expecting uses SS20-style RAM,
and when I checked out my SS10, I found = 3 SS20-spec=20 (50 ns) RAM DIMMs
installed. If I can find one more = stick, I'll have=20 the four I need to add another
256 Meg RAM to my new = machine...
 
    I would like to = either buy (for=20 low price) a 64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 spec. DIMM,
or, if possible, trade something I have = for it. I=20 can offer an SCSI/Ethernet adapter
(Fast SCSI/10 Mb/s Ethernet) in = exchange if that=20 would make you happy... I have
other bits as well, so if there is some = older bit=20 you could use in exchange for your
SS20 spec. 64 Meg RAM DIMM, please = email me=20 privately.
 
    The Etherent/SCSI = card is worth=20 about $75 or so, right? If my estimates are
way off, I reserve the right to pull my = trade offer=20 (Hey, it's 1:20 am local time and
I went without caffine *nearly* all=20 day)...
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ken Hansen
n2vip at bellatlantic.net<= /DIV>
 
PS: Anyone interested in a 4 port 10 = Mb/s SBUS=20 card, as well as a  Sun HSI/S set
(card, cable, paddle in new condition) = please let=20 me know. I'd probably be willing to
trade either for a full 256 Meg bank = (4x64 Meg=20 SS20/Ultra 2 RAM)... Oh, and I could
use an Ultra 2 drive tray/holder = (Memoryx has them=20 for $23.95 + S/H,any cheaper?).
Thanks again, Ken
 
PPS: Finally, I have two 1/4" tapes, = SunOS 4.1.1=20 (tape 1 of 2 and tape 2 of 2) - any
offers? These are untested but look = nearly=20 unused...
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFCA9F.5061F0F0-- From twmaster at earthlink.net Tue May 30 02:53:49 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 03:53:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: SSA 100, DT1000, SS1000, SS670MP, SS630MP Message-ID: Hi All, The quest for a new place to live goes on.......So, I am still trying to clean out a bit. Here is the list of "heavy" stuff that needs to leave: I have a fairly nice Sparc Storage Array for sale, I think it is a late model 100. It is the same chassis as an SS1000, has room for 30 1" SCA drives, complete unit, no drives 9 sleds. Color is Slate. No controller card or cable. $450.00 Disk Tower 1000, looks like an SS1000, the predecessor of the SSA. Holds 4 trays of 4 1" SCA drives. Complete unit includes 4 trays, no sleds. Uses same sled as SSA. A little scuffed up but should clean up nicely. $200.00 SS1000, 2 SM-51, 128 MB (16x8), CD-ROM Latest PROM kit. A bit scuffed up but works like a champ. $700.00 OBO SS630MP & SS670MP, well I can either fit this box out the way you want or I can give you the chassis if you haul it away. If you want it loaded, we can talk. Don't even ask me to ship these. Honestly I would prefer somebody to come out here and get these items rather than the hassles of shipping these heavy mutha's. :) I offer three words to the Sun lovers out there 1. Road-trip 2. U-Haul 3. Money!! Thanks for looking, Mike N www.twmaster.com From hyena at interport.net Tue May 30 06:55:42 2000 From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 04:55:42 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: SSA 100, DT1000, SS1000, SS670MP, SS630MP Message-ID: Unless Im missing something, you fail to list your location ... Chris Mike Nicewonger wrote: > > Hi All, > > The quest for a new place to live goes on.......So, I am still trying to > clean out a bit. Here is the list of "heavy" stuff that needs to leave: > > I have a fairly nice Sparc Storage Array for sale, I think it is a late > model 100. It is the same chassis as an SS1000, has room for 30 1" SCA > drives, complete unit, no drives 9 sleds. Color is Slate. No controller card > or cable. > > $450.00 > > Disk Tower 1000, looks like an SS1000, the predecessor of the SSA. Holds 4 > trays of 4 1" SCA drives. Complete unit includes 4 trays, no sleds. Uses > same sled as SSA. A little scuffed up but should clean up nicely. > > $200.00 > > SS1000, 2 SM-51, 128 MB (16x8), CD-ROM Latest PROM kit. A bit scuffed up but > works like a champ. > > $700.00 OBO > > SS630MP & SS670MP, well I can either fit this box out the way you want or I > can give you the chassis if you haul it away. If you want it loaded, we can > talk. Don't even ask me to ship these. > > Honestly I would prefer somebody to come out here and get these items rather > than the hassles of shipping these heavy mutha's. > > :) I offer three words to the Sun lovers out there > > 1. Road-trip > 2. U-Haul > 3. Money!! > > Thanks for looking, > > Mike N > www.twmaster.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From davis at skink.net Tue May 30 07:13:16 2000 From: davis at skink.net (John F. Davis) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:13:16 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] need/want ss20 RAM (1 DIMM) - also, a few odd bits for sale/trade... Message-ID: On Wed, May 31, 2000 at 01:26:58AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Hello all, > As I read last week the Ultra 2 I am expecting uses SS20-style RAM, > and when I checked out my SS10, I found 3 SS20-spec (50 ns) RAM DIMMs > installed. If I can find one more stick, I'll have the four I need to add another > 256 Meg RAM to my new machine... > > I would like to either buy (for low price) a 64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 spec. DIMM, > or, if possible, trade something I have for it. I can offer an SCSI/Ethernet adapter > (Fast SCSI/10 Mb/s Ethernet) in exchange if that would make you happy... I have > other bits as well, so if there is some older bit you could use in exchange for your > SS20 spec. 64 Meg RAM DIMM, please email me privately. > > The Etherent/SCSI card is worth about $75 or so, right? If my estimates are > way off, I reserve the right to pull my trade offer (Hey, it's 1:20 am local time and > I went without caffine *nearly* all day)... > > Thanks in advance, > > Ken Hansen > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > PS: Anyone interested in a 4 port 10 Mb/s SBUS card, as well as a Sun HSI/S set > (card, cable, paddle in new condition) please let me know. I'd probably be willing to > trade either for a full 256 Meg bank (4x64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 RAM)... Oh, and I could > use an Ultra 2 drive tray/holder (Memoryx has them for $23.95 + S/H,any cheaper?). > Thanks again, Ken > > PPS: Finally, I have two 1/4" tapes, SunOS 4.1.1 (tape 1 of 2 and tape 2 of 2) - any > offers? These are untested but look nearly unused... Hello Ken, I have two 32 meg simms for a sparc20. I don't know if they will work in a ultra or not. I do know that they only show up as 16Meg simms in my sparc 10. I would like to sell them. John From bobk at sinister.com Tue May 30 11:29:23 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: On Mon, 29 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) > Welcome to the fold bill! there's a lot of similarity between people on this list and the better type of ham radio operator. THat being said, I might have some equipment I can part with. I'll have to take a complete inventory and see what else might go, but I have an old heathkit crystal-controller 2 meter mobile that would be a good cheap way to start in 2m. I am considering selling my Heathkits, I have an HW-100 and HW-101, both solid, but old (the HW-100 was made in 1965!). In case you are unfamiliar with them, they do 80-10 SSB & CW, something like 100W output. If you are interested in packet, I might want to sell my old Kantronics KPC-9612. It would be great to see more sun guys in the radio scene. Traditionally, most of the ham software has been for ms-dos (for the past ten years. before that the C-64 was most popular). There's a lot of activity now in Linux, but it seems mostly x86 based. It would be great to take an old IPC and make it a packet BBS (this is one place the slowness of the serial ports on an IPC doesn't matter). Of course, I bet a lot of the linux software could be ported to sunos, netbsd, or whatever sun OS you are running. The linux kernel soundcard-modem stuff is really great, but I don't think there's any support for the Sun sound system in it. --bob (damned yankee) 73, N1YRK From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 30 11:41:11 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. Thanks Dan ----------------- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 11:39:58 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:39:58 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] need/want ss20 RAM (1 DIMM) - also, a few odd bits for sale/trade... Message-ID: My need is for an Ultra 2 that is expected to arrive any day, they RAM it uses is the same as the SS20 uses, and I am trying to make a complete set of 64 Meg DIMMs (I have three, need four total). Thanks anyway though - you should be able to get a decent price on eBay (or here) for them... Sorry, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John F. Davis" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] need/want ss20 RAM (1 DIMM) - also, a few odd bits for sale/trade... > On Wed, May 31, 2000 at 01:26:58AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > > Hello all, > > As I read last week the Ultra 2 I am expecting uses SS20-style RAM, > > and when I checked out my SS10, I found 3 SS20-spec (50 ns) RAM DIMMs > > installed. If I can find one more stick, I'll have the four I need to add another > > 256 Meg RAM to my new machine... > > > > I would like to either buy (for low price) a 64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 spec. DIMM, > > or, if possible, trade something I have for it. I can offer an SCSI/Ethernet adapter > > (Fast SCSI/10 Mb/s Ethernet) in exchange if that would make you happy... I have > > other bits as well, so if there is some older bit you could use in exchange for your > > SS20 spec. 64 Meg RAM DIMM, please email me privately. > > > > The Etherent/SCSI card is worth about $75 or so, right? If my estimates are > > way off, I reserve the right to pull my trade offer (Hey, it's 1:20 am local time and > > I went without caffine *nearly* all day)... > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Ken Hansen > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > > > PS: Anyone interested in a 4 port 10 Mb/s SBUS card, as well as a Sun HSI/S set > > (card, cable, paddle in new condition) please let me know. I'd probably be willing to > > trade either for a full 256 Meg bank (4x64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 RAM)... Oh, and I could > > use an Ultra 2 drive tray/holder (Memoryx has them for $23.95 + S/H,any cheaper?). > > Thanks again, Ken > > > > PPS: Finally, I have two 1/4" tapes, SunOS 4.1.1 (tape 1 of 2 and tape 2 of 2) - any > > offers? These are untested but look nearly unused... > > > Hello Ken, > > I have two 32 meg simms for a sparc20. I don't know if they will work in a ultra or not. > I do know that they only show up as 16Meg simms in my sparc 10. > > I would like to sell them. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From bobk at sinister.com Tue May 30 11:48:54 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images Message-ID: Hi everyone, At work, I do security testing. I have to go review some bugs in some ANCIENT SunOS. I have a machine, I even have a tape drive, but no tapes. The standard was QIC-150, right? I had a rather outlandish idea of trying to write the tape images to a CD and installing from that. Does anyone know if this will work? -bob From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 11:56:56 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:56:56 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM for a PC)... Sorry, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > Thanks > > Dan > ----------------- > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 12:15:12 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:15:12 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images Message-ID: I'll repeat my note from early this morning: I have SunOS 4.1.1 Sun-4 SUNBIN and OPENWINDOWS Version 2 on 1/4" tape available Part number 700-2721-10 Rev. A available if anyone needs it. Two tapes , look to be in very good shape, but are untested. Dated 01-18-91. Available for something over postage ($3.20 Priority mail) - interested? Make me an offer... I wonder though if you can make a bootable CD-ROM from a tape image, but then again, Suns treat bootable CD-ROMs as tapes (IIRC)... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobk" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images > Hi everyone, > At work, I do security testing. I have to go review some bugs in some > ANCIENT SunOS. I have a machine, I even have a tape drive, but no tapes. > The standard was QIC-150, right? > > I had a rather outlandish idea of trying to write the tape images to a CD > and installing from that. Does anyone know if this will work? From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 30 12:56:24 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms are detected too big, too small is the usual issue. Have you tried booting with the 128/256's and running the memory checker that's built into the prom? Nick On Wed, 31 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi > board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you > need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many > Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) > but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM > for a PC)... > > Sorry, > > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM > Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > > > Thanks > > > > Dan > > ----------------- > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Tue May 30 13:23:05 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images Message-ID: > I'll repeat my note from early this morning: > > I have SunOS 4.1.1 Sun-4 SUNBIN and OPENWINDOWS Version 2 on > 1/4" tape available Part number 700-2721-10 Rev. A available if anyone > needs it. > Two tapes , look to be in very good shape, but are untested. Dated > 01-18-91. > > Available for something over postage ($3.20 Priority mail) - interested? > Make me an offer... > > I wonder though if you can make a bootable CD-ROM from a tape image, but > then again, Suns treat bootable CD-ROMs as tapes (IIRC)... Hi, Ken.... If noone is interested, I am interested. AFIK you cannot make a cd set from a tape set. The reason is that the tape and cd xdrtocs are different, the miniroot kernels are different, and there is a difference in the scripting internally, from what I can tell. (Does that sound like I tried that.....(:+{{...). You can make a later tape from an earlier tape using cd bits, provided you keep the original boot/kernel/miniroot/xdrtoc files, from the orignal tape and overlay the actual tarballs with the later cd stuff. That works. I had an old 4.1 tape that I upgraded to a minimal 4.1.3 boot tape, by using the 4.1.3 cd bits and the 4.1 boot bits. There may be some internal Sun way of doing it, but I have not seen it from the outside. Someone mentioned some scripts for that at one time, but I was never able to follow that up. ZUT OM DE NA4G/Bob UP > n2vip at bellatlantic.net Hey, it's that damn Yankee Bob Keys feller .....! (:+}}... I be da Suthern' a'mint julep a'sippin' Bob Keys... Different branch somewhere back in time...... > From: "bobk" > > > Hi everyone, > > At work, I do security testing. I have to go review some bugs in some > > ANCIENT SunOS. I have a machine, I even have a tape drive, but no tapes. > > The standard was QIC-150, right? QIC-60. > > I had a rather outlandish idea of trying to write the tape images to a CD > > and installing from that. Does anyone know if this will work? Nope.... From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Tue May 30 13:27:10 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: > Welcome to the fold bill! there's a lot of similarity between people > on this list and the better type of ham radio operator. Agreed! > --bob (damned yankee) > 73, > N1YRK Small World! Gee, even that Danged Yankee feller is a ham.....! ZUT OM DE NA4G/Bob UP (I be that Suthern a'mint julep a'sippin' feller ham wid da same moniker!) Now, back to boatanchor suntoyz.....(:+}}... Sorry, folks, couldn't resist.... From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Tue May 30 13:39:09 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images Message-ID: > Hi everyone, > At work, I do security testing. I have to go review some bugs in some > ANCIENT SunOS. I have a machine, I even have a tape drive, but no tapes. > The standard was QIC-150, right? QIC 11 on the earliest (4 trackers) and QIC 24 (9 trackers, 60mb) on the later ones. I have yet to run across a sparc tape set on 150mb tapes. Anyone know if they exist? It might be neat to dredge up a sun4 set, before they go bellyup. The latest I have run across is 4.1, but I am assuming a 4.1.1 existed for sun4. My 4/260 originally had that on it, but I had to fall back to an old 4.1 tape when the HD's developed trouble. A script to do a 150mb tape exists in the sun3 archive, so you might be able to adapt that, provided you can dittle the xdrtoc files and come up with the right munix bits. There was a script to do that somewhere on the net, but I never got it to work correctly. > I had a rather outlandish idea of trying to write the tape images to a CD > and installing from that. Does anyone know if this will work? Won't work that I know of. Several things are different between them. The xdrtoc, the install scripts (I think), the boot loader, and maybe some other things (kernel?). I tried.... didn't work on the old suntoyz. You can upgrade a tape to a later set, by overlaying later bits onto the tape, in the correct sequence. The tape loaders don't care what gets loaded, just that they are in the right location, and the right type of file. Any others try this sort of thing? Bob From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 30 13:38:42 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: To answer your question yes I did run the memory checker.... and it reads all of the memory properly ( mixed or not ) in the ultra 5. it seems if I go into single user mode and the comp seems to run fine but if I go to the full boot process it gets a kernel panic about the time the login window appears ( I run solaris 8 ). Maybe I need to try a different OS? Or reinstall with the new ram in place so the kernel is awhere of the changes? On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms > are detected too big, too small is the usual issue. Have you tried > booting with the 128/256's and running the memory checker that's built > into the prom? > Nick > > On Wed, 31 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi > > board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you > > need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many > > Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) > > but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM > > for a PC)... > > > > Sorry, > > > > Ken > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM > > Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > > > > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > > > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > > > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > > > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > > > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > > > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > > > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > > > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > > > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > > > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > > > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > > > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > > > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > > > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > > > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > > > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Dan > > > ----------------- > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From kris at hiwaay.net Tue May 30 13:44:43 2000 From: kris at hiwaay.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: > No. I didn't mean this to sound terse; it's my favorite joke that I reply with: "I am not a ham." My .sig speaks differently though. :-) Anyone interested is DS-SS or FH-SS or any of the other SSes? (Spread Spectrum) ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." From mcguire at neurotica.com Tue May 30 13:56:14 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: On May 30, Kris Kirby wrote: > interested is DS-SS or FH-SS or any of the other SSes? (Spread Spectrum) Me, definitely. I'm formerly KA2UZK (expired, about to re-test)...I've been experimenting with DSSS on the test bench on-and-off for about a year. It's absolutely fascinating. I've got a bunch of EFData SDM-100 satellite modems (RS-422 digital I/O, 70MHz IF I/O, 224kbps, QPSK) and I've been experimenting with a "spreader widget" box on which you program a PN sequence, squirt 70MHz IF through it, and get DSSS output on the other side. It works ok but I've yet to come up with a good, reliable synchronization scheme. -Dave McGuire From james at quickdog.com Tue May 30 13:54:14 2000 From: james at quickdog.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms The AXi and the U5/10 do not use the same memory. I have tried this before with similar results. -James From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 30 14:22:31 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Hmmm... that's really odd. Just for kicks did you try boot -r? I've upgraded several systems here to 1gig or more when they started as low as 128 and I've had no problems (U10's and E450 clones mostly). Nick On Tue, 30 May 2000, Daniel Debow Southwick wrote: > To answer your question yes I did run the memory checker.... and it reads > all of the memory properly ( mixed or not ) in the ultra 5. it seems if I > go into single user mode and the comp seems to run fine but if I go to the > full boot process it gets a kernel panic about the time the login window > appears ( I run solaris 8 ). Maybe I need to try a different OS? Or > reinstall with the new ram in place so the kernel is awhere of the > changes? > > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms > > are detected too big, too small is the usual issue. Have you tried > > booting with the 128/256's and running the memory checker that's built > > into the prom? > > Nick > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > > Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi > > > board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you > > > need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many > > > Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) > > > but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM > > > for a PC)... > > > > > > Sorry, > > > > > > Ken > > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM > > > Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > > > > > > > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > > > > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > > > > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > > > > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > > > > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > > > > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > > > > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > > > > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > > > > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > > > > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > > > > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > > > > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > > > > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > > > > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > > > > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > > > > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > ----------------- > > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 30 14:43:15 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? Nick On Tue, 30 May 2000, James Lockwood wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms > > The AXi and the U5/10 do not use the same memory. I have tried this > before with similar results. > > -James > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From twmaster at twmaster.com Tue May 30 14:31:57 2000 From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:31:57 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: SSA 100, DT1000, SS1000, SS670MP, SS630MP Message-ID: The above mentioned goodies are in Edgewood, Maryland. (30 Mins north of Baltimore) Mike N From twmaster at twmaster.com Tue May 30 14:33:11 2000 From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:33:11 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] (OT) Please all make note of my new e-mail address Message-ID: It is twmaster at twmaster.com Thanks, Mike N www.twmaster.com From james at quickdog.com Tue May 30 14:39:07 2000 From: james at quickdog.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc > dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms > that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? The U5/U10 use identical DIMMs (they use the same motherboard, after all). The AXi does not. -James From bobk at sinister.com Tue May 30 14:43:58 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: On Tue, 30 May 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: > > No. > > I didn't mean this to sound terse; it's my favorite joke that I reply > with: "I am not a ham." My .sig speaks differently though. :-) Anyone > interested is DS-SS or FH-SS or any of the other SSes? (Spread Spectrum) Yes, I am. I have been for a while but lack the test equipment to build my own. I have played around with the Wavelan stuff for 915 Mhz, but it doesn't work too well. It looks as though the newer proxim symphony cards are a better bet. I've been waiting for tapr.org to come out with their spread spectrum device for quite some time now. As far as techie stuff for SS goes - anyone thought of using a GPS device for synchronization? They have that very accurate clock. I don't know too much about GPS but its something that occured to me. I've got a radio page on http://sinister.com/radio and look at http://bowsig.am as well. -bob N1YRK (sound like new york, doesn't it?) From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 30 15:22:42 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: "System Memory Memory Type DRAM, 168-pin DIMMs, EDO; Error checking and correcting (ECC) Min 16MB Max 1GB Voltage 3.3V Access 60ns Number of Sockets 8" Am I wrong about U5/U10's? I could of sworn that they too use edo ecc dimms? Nick On Tue, 30 May 2000, James Lockwood wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc > > dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms > > that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? > > The U5/U10 use identical DIMMs (they use the same motherboard, after all). > The AXi does not. > > -James > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue May 30 15:03:08 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:03:08 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: nick at ns.snowman.net [mailto:nick at ns.snowman.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:43 PM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc > dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms > that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? The Ultra 5 and 10 use the same memory. The memory that the AXi uses is NOT the same as the memory that's used in the Ultra5/10. Greg > Nick > > On Tue, 30 May 2000, James Lockwood wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues > where simms/dimms > > > > The AXi and the U5/10 do not use the same memory. I have tried this > > before with similar results. > > > > -James From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 30 15:40:13 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Yep in fact that was the first thing I did! ( told you this was a good one ) On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > Hmmm... that's really odd. Just for kicks did you try boot -r? I've > upgraded several systems here to 1gig or more when they started as low as > 128 and I've had no problems (U10's and E450 clones mostly). > Nick > > On Tue, 30 May 2000, Daniel Debow Southwick wrote: > > > To answer your question yes I did run the memory checker.... and it reads > > all of the memory properly ( mixed or not ) in the ultra 5. it seems if I > > go into single user mode and the comp seems to run fine but if I go to the > > full boot process it gets a kernel panic about the time the login window > > appears ( I run solaris 8 ). Maybe I need to try a different OS? Or > > reinstall with the new ram in place so the kernel is awhere of the > > changes? > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms > > > are detected too big, too small is the usual issue. Have you tried > > > booting with the 128/256's and running the memory checker that's built > > > into the prom? > > > Nick > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > > > > Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi > > > > board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you > > > > need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many > > > > Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) > > > > but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM > > > > for a PC)... > > > > > > > > Sorry, > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM > > > > Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > > > > > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > > > > > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > > > > > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > > > > > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > > > > > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > > > > > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > > > > > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > > > > > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > > > > > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > > > > > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > > > > > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > > > > > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > > > > > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > > > > > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > > > > > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 30 15:46:04 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Ok let's try this. Anyone want to trade? 4 128MB ecc edo dimms from a SUN AXi mainboard for 4 128MB ecc edo dimms for a U5? On Tue, 30 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nick at ns.snowman.net [mailto:nick at ns.snowman.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:43 PM > > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > > > What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc > > dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms > > that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? > > The Ultra 5 and 10 use the same memory. The memory that the AXi uses is NOT > the same as the memory that's used in the Ultra5/10. > Greg > > > Nick > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000, James Lockwood wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > > > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues > > where simms/dimms > > > > > > The AXi and the U5/10 do not use the same memory. I have tried this > > > before with similar results. > > > > > > -James > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Tue May 30 21:12:52 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:12:52 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Certification Message-ID: I'm seriously thinking of taking the test for Sun Solaris Admin I test. Would I need Sun's expensive courses, or not really? I'm pretty familiar with most of the course objectives they present, but is it required? Also, how much does it cost to take the test? They're administered at Sylvan Prometric, right? Thanks, Paul From tom at nipltd.com Wed May 31 03:33:28 2000 From: tom at nipltd.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:33:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Certification Message-ID: I took the tests recently for a laugh. In the UK, they worked out at 150 each test (Admin I and Admin II) - this includes nice UK things like VAT. I've been adminning Sun boxen for about 4 years now - I was mostly familiar with the test objectives, but like all things, there were objectives for the test that I had never dealt with where I work. No revision, no prep, showed up for the exams, passed Admin I, and failed Admin II (by 2 questions! :-) So I'll probably get around to re-doing Admin II, just to get the Solaris CNA cert. Since then I picked up a book from Exam Cram that covers the Solaris 7 CNA cert - can't remember the title, but dig through their web site or search your favourite online book seller. It just covers the exam, but I've found it a useful reference for things I haven't come across yet. YMMV, but I don't think you need to do the courses at all. As long as you have a decent grounding in the version of Solaris you're interested in. It's all good fun :-) It's not like it'll make you a better sysadmin or anything, but it might open your eyes to some stuff that's useful, that you never came across before - and it's always nice to have something to wave under your bosses nose to impress him into granting that pay rise :-) :-) Cheers, TOM >I'm seriously thinking of taking the test for Sun Solaris Admin I test. >Would I need Sun's expensive courses, or not really? >I'm pretty familiar with most of the course objectives they >present, but is it required? > >Also, how much does it cost to take the test? They're administered >at Sylvan Prometric, right? -- Tom Kranz - tom at nipltd.com Systems Administrator, New Information Paradigms Ltd. My opinions are my own, not NIP's, and not my cat's. From apotter at icsa.net Wed May 31 08:59:45 2000 From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:59:45 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Certification Message-ID: Before you throw money away, check out brainbench.com. Online, adaptive testing which is free (for now). FWIW, my transcript # is 344576. AL From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 21:54:15 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:54:15 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Netscape 4.73 under Solaris 2.6... problems with display... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BFCB53.24E0A750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am having an unusual problem with Netscape (4.73 full-load) under = Solaris 2.6, it installed fine, seems to run OK, but when I try and go down a long = page, much of the text is repeated/messed-up. Repeated in this case means that lines will be duplicated, making it = impossible to read the web page beyond the first screen full... Am I tempting the fates by going with the latest release of = Communicator (4.73) for Solaris? Thanks, Ken BTW - this is on a SPARCbook, but I don't think this problem is unique = to the laptop... ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BFCB53.24E0A750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
    I am having an = unusual problem=20 with Netscape (4.73 full-load) under Solaris 2.6,
it installed fine, seems to run OK, but = when I try=20 and go down a long page, much of
the text is = repeated/messed-up.
 
    Repeated in this = case means that=20 lines will be duplicated, making it impossible to
read the web page beyond the first = screen=20 full...
 
    Am I tempting the = fates by going=20 with the latest release of Communicator (4.73)
for Solaris?
 
Thanks,
 
Ken
 
BTW - this is on a SPARCbook, but I = don't think=20 this problem is unique to the laptop...
------=_NextPart_000_0173_01BFCB53.24E0A750-- From apotter at icsa.net Mon May 1 10:08:52 2000 From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: mrbill at mrbill.net said: > Bill (will trade left big toe for 4mb 30pin SIMMs so I can fire up > this 670...) Don't bother with the toecutters..... Call Chris Patterson at mce.com. Last time I checked, he had sun PN'd 4meggers for $5 each, and will probably deal for 32 at a time.... AL From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 1 12:33:09 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:33:09 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: Bill, I assume you are talking about this item: http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=28757 Their Interface converter box ($75), correct? That looks like a great item - it would allow me to put a Sun workstation on my cheap-o KVM switch ( < $150 for a 4x switch *with* 4 sets of cables included!)... Please post your results on the maillist, I for one am very interested... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > I *FINALLY* got one of the "Sible" PS/2 interface converter boxes > ordered from Sun last night; availability finally changed from "4 weeks" > to "ships next day". From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 1 13:11:29 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:11:29 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:33:09PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Bill, > I assume you are talking about this item: > http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=28757 > Their Interface converter box ($75), correct? That looks like a great > item - it would allow me to put a Sun workstation on my cheap-o KVM > switch ( < $150 for a 4x switch *with* 4 sets of cables included!)... > Please post your results on the maillist, I for one am very interested... > Thanks, > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net Yep. I've had one of these before; they work great. It allows you to have a PS/2 keyboard and mouse, OR a ps/2 keyboard and mouse AND a Sun mouse, plugged in all at the same time. I used mine before with a Northgate Omnikey keyboard and a Logitech Trackman Marble trackball. I beleive they're actually made by Kinesis, altho Kinesis wants $125, and its just one WITHOUT hte Sun logo. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From druaga at pmail.net Mon May 1 14:07:05 2000 From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:07:05 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: Hmm...actually Belkin has adapters for Sun for their KVM boxes but this would work just as well. And this one is much cheaper than the Belkin adapter. (http://www.cdw.com/shop/search/results.asp?key=belkin+sun+adapter) A fact I find highly acceptable. :-) I'll have to see if I can't get one in here to test. Mike Hebel -----Original Message----- From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Ken Hansen Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:33 To: rescue at sunhelp.org Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Bill, I assume you are talking about this item: http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=28757 Their Interface converter box ($75), correct? That looks like a great item - it would allow me to put a Sun workstation on my cheap-o KVM switch ( < $150 for a 4x switch *with* 4 sets of cables included!)... Please post your results on the maillist, I for one am very interested... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > I *FINALLY* got one of the "Sible" PS/2 interface converter boxes > ordered from Sun last night; availability finally changed from "4 weeks" > to "ships next day". _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 1 14:14:47 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:14:47 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Hansen [mailto:n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net] > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:33 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles > > > Bill, > I assume you are talking about this item: > > http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=28757 > > Their Interface converter box ($75), correct? That looks like a great > item - it would allow me to put a Sun workstation on my cheap-o KVM > switch ( < $150 for a 4x switch *with* 4 sets of cables included!)... Where are you getting a nice KVM switch for that price? Is it a real one, or just an analog switchbox? Greg From dbarile at interserv.com Mon May 1 16:44:15 2000 From: dbarile at interserv.com (Darryl Barile) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:44:15 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: Well after spending several hours (granted they are newbie hours) on the Sparc 1 I am still no closer to any solutions. I've changed the memory out, tried several different boot configs and still can't seem to get this thing up and running. I'm beginning to wonder if there a a problem with the drive or the SunOS install or perhaps a termination problem. Any comments or criticisms would be welcome. Anything but "Go back to PC's". Darryl From carsten.bartels at gmx.de Mon May 1 16:43:52 2000 From: carsten.bartels at gmx.de (Carsten Bartels) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:43:52 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Re: IDPROM problem with OPUStation PM 5000 Message-ID: > Don't worry about the original values so much. The HOSTID FAQ will > give you some pointers - but it couldn't hurt to seek out someone > with a working OPUStation and have them send you the correct HOSTID. > As far as the ethernet address goes, you can use just about anything > you want, see the NVRAM HOSTID FAQ for specific guidlines. Once you > have all the info, follow the step-by-step instructions and you'll be > ready to go. You might want to experiment with the dead NVRAM just > to be sure you get things right before plugging in the new one - but > it's really difficult to foul up. I've read the HOSTID FAQ. It describes how to reprogramm the NVRAM. I've tryed everything to get into the Command-Mode of the BIOS but it doesn't work. The system stops completely. No STOP-A or something else works. I also put the NVRAM from my working SS2 into the OPUStation. The OPUS displayed the right values (HOSTID, SERIAL No., Ethernet Address) i know from the SS2, but the IDPROM error messages appears also. I don't know what to do. Is the system dead? BTW: The board of the OPUSstation PM 5000 looks very similar to the SS2 board. The OPUSstation is equipped with a Weitek SPARC CPU @ 25MHz. -- Mit freundlichem Gruss Carsten Bartels ___________________________________________ http://home.arcor-online.de/carsten.bartels From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 1 21:39:19 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:39:19 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or Quicktime would also work) format? I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on the SunHELP historical-product archives.... Thanks. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 2 05:43:16 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 06:43:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: Just to avoid possible legal issues, you do have the right to display this, don't you? Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video > from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or > Quicktime would also work) format? > > I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product > announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on > the SunHELP historical-product archives.... > > Thanks. > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From paipai at tin.it Tue May 2 08:25:50 2000 From: paipai at tin.it (Paolo Di Francesco) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:25:50 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: > Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video > from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or > Quicktime would also work) format? > I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product > announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on > the SunHELP historical-product archives.... I can, but I am in Italy. Maybe too far? If you don't have any other voluteer, well contact me :-) -- Ciao Ciao _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ From macmanjim at powerpcpro.com Tue May 2 08:38:11 2000 From: macmanjim at powerpcpro.com (powerpcpro) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:38:11 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: yes. I have a G4 with an Aurora Fuse capture card. > From: "Paolo Di Francesco" > Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:25:50 +0100 > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? > >> Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video >> from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or >> Quicktime would also work) format? > >> I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product >> announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on >> the SunHELP historical-product archives.... > > > I can, but I am in Italy. Maybe too far? > > If you don't have any other voluteer, well contact me :-) > > > > -- > > Ciao Ciao > > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From druaga at pmail.net Tue May 2 08:16:37 2000 From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:16:37 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: How long is it exactly? I've got an Indy with Irix 5.3 (haven't upgraded it yet) but I'm not sure if I have the drive space. If it's not that long I can probably convert it and burn it on a CD. -----Original Message----- From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Bradford Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 21:39 To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org Cc: sunhelp at sunhelp.org; rescue at sunhelp.org; workstations at sunhelp.org Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Anybody on these lists have the ability to digitize/convert video from VHS tape (NTSC) to a computer-readable (MPG preferred, but AVI or Quicktime would also work) format? I've got the official Sun video tape of the SPARCstation 10 product announcement from '92, and I'd like to be able to put it up on the SunHELP historical-product archives.... Thanks. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 08:33:13 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:33:13 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] VHS to MPG/AVI/Quicktime conversion? Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 06:43:16AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Just to avoid possible legal issues, you do have the right to display > this, don't you? > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net Going to clear it through my Sun contact before I post it. Of course. 8-) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kurt at csh.rit.edu Tue May 2 09:45:00 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: I'm looking at buying an IDE drive to replace a small 4 Gig drive in an Ultra 5 (if it makes a difference, the Ultra 5 is a 270Mhz, one of the first ones). Are there any issues with what Solaris will support? Can I grab a nice IBM drive? Any size? Will me running 2.6 make a difference? thanks for any help you guys can give me on this one... --Kurt From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 2 10:12:02 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: There should not be any issues. I put a WD in my Ultra 10, and had no issues. YMMV Nick On Tue, 2 May 2000, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > > I'm looking at buying an IDE drive to replace a small 4 Gig drive > in an Ultra 5 (if it makes a difference, the Ultra 5 is a 270Mhz, > one of the first ones). > > Are there any issues with what Solaris will support? Can I grab > a nice IBM drive? Any size? Will me running 2.6 make a difference? > > thanks for any help you guys can give me on this one... > > --Kurt > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 10:20:35 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:20:35 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:45:00AM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > I'm looking at buying an IDE drive to replace a small 4 Gig drive > in an Ultra 5 (if it makes a difference, the Ultra 5 is a 270Mhz, > one of the first ones). > Are there any issues with what Solaris will support? Can I grab > a nice IBM drive? Any size? Will me running 2.6 make a difference? > thanks for any help you guys can give me on this one... > --Kurt I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kurt at csh.rit.edu Tue May 2 10:46:01 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you > can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night > in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. > > Bill I wish... it's actually for a work machine, so I doubt they'll spring for the card. And the performance isn't that big a deal on this machine, but the space IS. So, no issues with slapping a 20 or 30 gig IDE drive in, eh? I thought I had remembered there being issues with drives larger than like 8 gig originally. --Kurt From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 2 11:45:16 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:45:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: Bill, Please a source (and price) for the card? I am half-way to buying the Educational Ultra 5 we discussed a few days ago... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:45:00AM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > > I'm looking at buying an IDE drive to replace a small 4 Gig drive > > in an Ultra 5 (if it makes a difference, the Ultra 5 is a 270Mhz, > > one of the first ones). > > Are there any issues with what Solaris will support? Can I grab > > a nice IBM drive? Any size? Will me running 2.6 make a difference? > > thanks for any help you guys can give me on this one... > > --Kurt > > I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you > can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night > in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 2 12:32:32 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: I noticed that bill got a SCSI card to work in his U10. This brings to mind an experiment I tried with my U5 **here's the specs** : Ultra 5 270MHz Ultra IIi 256MB RAM 4.3GB Seagate & 2.5GB WD 24X Goldstar CDROM running Solaris 8 Anyway I slaped a Adaptec 2940u SCSI controler in there with a quantum 9GB HardDisk restarted the box and no magic. What gives? Is adaptec not compatible with the U5? I even broke down and reset the eeprom to factory defaults and it still didn't find the card or the HardDisk. The plan behind this test was to see if the card worked and if it did I plan to purchase an external 4mm dat drive to preform routine backups. Also I noticed that that card is for sale on pricewatch for about 50 dollars inc. shipping! should I go for it and abandon the adaptec? Dan ----------------- Systems / WAN Admin E-Commerce Support Centers Inc. 1650A Gum Branch Rd. Jacksonville NC 28540 www.e-comsupport.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 12:34:16 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:34:16 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 11:46:01AM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > I wish... it's actually for a work machine, so I doubt they'll spring for > the card. And the performance isn't that big a deal on this machine, but > the space IS. So, no issues with slapping a 20 or 30 gig IDE drive in, eh? > I thought I had remembered there being issues with drives larger than like > 8 gig originally. > --Kurt As long as you've got the latest OpenBoot PROM upgrade (I think its 3.25), a bigger drive shouldnt be a problem. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 12:35:31 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:35:31 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IDE drives... Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 12:45:16PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Bill, > Please a source (and price) for the card? I am half-way to buying > the Educational Ultra 5 we discussed a few days ago... > Thanks, > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net I got mine secondhand, but Centrix International (www.centrix-intl.com) had them for around $70 a few weeks ago. BTW: *dont* get the Symbios 8725-based card they've currently got for $39 - it will NOT work in an U5/10; I tried. 8-( Bill > Bill Bradford wrote: > > I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you > > can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night > > in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. > > Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From druaga at pmail.net Tue May 2 13:01:18 2000 From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:01:18 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: [SNIP] >>Anyway I slaped a Adaptec 2940u SCSI controler in there with a quantum 9GB >>HardDisk restarted the box and no magic. What gives? Is adaptec not >>compatible with the U5? I even broke down and reset the eeprom to factory >>defaults and it still didn't find the card or the HardDisk. Adaptec cards don't work unless they're what's called the Open Firmware or OW version. I have one here that was in an Ultra 10. It seemed to work ok as far as drives were concerned but would not work properly for other things such as scanners. YMMV. Sincerely, Mike Hebel From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue May 2 13:03:42 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:03:42 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Debow Southwick [mailto:southwick at gibralter.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:33 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 > > I noticed that bill got a SCSI card to work in his U10. This brings to > mind an experiment I tried with my U5 **here's the specs** : > > Ultra 5 > 270MHz Ultra IIi > 256MB RAM > 4.3GB Seagate & 2.5GB WD > 24X Goldstar CDROM > running Solaris 8 > > Anyway I slaped a Adaptec 2940u SCSI controler in there with This question gets asked a LOT on these lists, NO that card won't work. The only adaptec cards that do work are the /OF models, and those do not have 64-bit drivers. Get that nice card that everbody else is using, and put the adaptec back in a PeeCee. Greg From druaga at pmail.net Tue May 2 13:03:44 2000 From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:03:44 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Oops! - SCSI on Ultra 5 Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFB436.D86C67C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry! The Adaptec card is the 2940 OF not OW. 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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFB436.D86C67C0-- From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 2 13:22:11 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: Alrighty then sorry to waste the bandwidth on this. As I stated the symbios card is for around 50 dollars. bill mentioned a compatiblity issue with those. here is the specs on the one I'm going to buy: SYM 8251S Ultra Wide SCSI 20Mbps, 32bit PCI, Original Symbios, Sun, Linux, NT, win98, Dos Symbios 53C825 Chipset BusMaster 50 & 68 pin Wide Work with all OS "Linux included" Is this the one to avoid? Dan ----------------- dsouthwick at e-comsupprt.com Systems / WAN Admin E-Commerce Support Centers Inc. 1650A Gum Branch Rd. Jacksonville NC 28540 (910) 455-6446 x3035 www.e-comsupport.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor On Tue, 2 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel Debow Southwick [mailto:southwick at gibralter.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:33 AM > > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > > Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 > > > > I noticed that bill got a SCSI card to work in his U10. This brings to > > mind an experiment I tried with my U5 **here's the specs** : > > > > Ultra 5 > > 270MHz Ultra IIi > > 256MB RAM > > 4.3GB Seagate & 2.5GB WD > > 24X Goldstar CDROM > > running Solaris 8 > > > > Anyway I slaped a Adaptec 2940u SCSI controler in there with > > This question gets asked a LOT on these lists, NO that card won't work. The > only adaptec cards that do work are the /OF models, and those do not have > 64-bit drivers. Get that nice card that everbody else is using, and put the > adaptec back in a PeeCee. > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 2 13:42:05 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:42:05 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 02:22:11PM -0400, Daniel Debow Southwick wrote: > Alrighty then sorry to waste the bandwidth on this. As I stated the > symbios card is for around 50 dollars. bill mentioned a compatiblity issue > with those. here is the specs on the one I'm going to buy: > SYM 8251S Ultra Wide SCSI > 20Mbps, 32bit PCI, > Original Symbios, Sun, Linux, NT, win98, Dos > Symbios 53C825 Chipset > BusMaster > 50 & 68 pin Wide > Work with all OS "Linux included" > Is this the one to avoid? > Dan YES, avoid that one; I have one sitting in my desk now because it wont work with the U5/10. The ONLY one that works with the U5/U10 (that I know of so far) is the Symbios 8751sp (NOT the 8251S). If you install the 8251S in a U5/U10, you'll be able to do "probe-scsi-all" from OpenBoot, but the glm0 will not attach or work with the card; its simply not compatible with Solaris/SPARC. Works under Solaris x86 just fine, but thats a different matter. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 2 13:56:32 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI in an ultra 5 Message-ID: Ok. I guess I'll build a ( shudder ) x86 unix box with that ( shudders again ) adaptec card and do back ups over the network. Thanks for all the great help. Dan ----------------- dsouthwick at e-comsupprt.com Systems / WAN Admin E-Commerce Support Centers Inc. 1650A Gum Branch Rd. Jacksonville NC 28540 (910) 455-6446 x3035 www.e-comsupport.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor On Tue, 2 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 02:22:11PM -0400, Daniel Debow Southwick wrote: > > Alrighty then sorry to waste the bandwidth on this. As I stated the > > symbios card is for around 50 dollars. bill mentioned a compatiblity issue > > with those. here is the specs on the one I'm going to buy: > > SYM 8251S Ultra Wide SCSI > > 20Mbps, 32bit PCI, > > Original Symbios, Sun, Linux, NT, win98, Dos > > Symbios 53C825 Chipset > > BusMaster > > 50 & 68 pin Wide > > Work with all OS "Linux included" > > Is this the one to avoid? > > Dan > > YES, avoid that one; I have one sitting in my desk now because it wont > work with the U5/10. The ONLY one that works with the U5/U10 (that I > know of so far) is the Symbios 8751sp (NOT the 8251S). > > If you install the 8251S in a U5/U10, you'll be able to do "probe-scsi-all" > from OpenBoot, but the glm0 will not attach or work with the card; its > simply not compatible with Solaris/SPARC. Works under Solaris x86 just > fine, but thats a different matter. > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 2 17:59:18 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:59:18 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI cards for Ultra5/10 workstations... Message-ID: I can't believe this thread (sorry everyone), but here is my best guess for a commonly available SCSI card for the Ultra workstations: Tekram DC-390F: Tekram DC-390F, Ultra Wide SCSI, Symbios 53c875 chipset, 32-bit PCI PnP, busmastering transfer protocol, up to 15 targets, IDC 50(M) & Mini DB68(F) internal connectors, Mini DB68(F) pin external connector, retail kit includes: 3-position Mini DB68(M) PVC insulated flat ribbon cable, 3-position IDC 50(F) PVC insulated flat ribbon cable, manuals and driver diskettes, 5-year warranty. (Taken from www.hypermicro.com - these cards apppear to be quite common) Per the Ultra5 Summary site mentioned earlier in the "uber" thread, the Symbios 53c875 cards should work. I want this card to work - for $75 + $8 2nd day shipping I would be *very* happy if this worked - any responses? The Ultra5 Summary site is at: http://www.grina.com/ultra5.html if you are curious. Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 12:45:16PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > > Bill, > > Please a source (and price) for the card? I am half-way to buying > > the Educational Ultra 5 we discussed a few days ago... > > Thanks, > > Ken > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > I got mine secondhand, but Centrix International (www.centrix-intl.com) had > them for around $70 a few weeks ago. BTW: *dont* get the Symbios 8725-based > card they've currently got for $39 - it will NOT work in an U5/10; I tried. > 8-( > > Bill > > > Bill Bradford wrote: > > > I had a nice 8.4gig Seagate Medalist drive in my u5/270, but if you > > > can, find a SYmbios 8751sp card and go scsi. I did that last night > > > in my Ultra 10 and ist AMAZING how much difference it makes. > > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 2 18:06:56 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:06:56 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 1 struggles Message-ID: My KVM is not an "analog" unit - it has some intelligence built-in, it switches based on key "chords" (ctrl-alt-shift, then [1-4] to choose port). It has scan and roll-over functions as well. It is from a company called IOGear, model G-CS14. I am quite happy with it for non- demanding applications (I have 2 PCs and a Laptop docking station on my desk, cable runs under 2 meters. All screens run at 1024x768 at 70+ Hz refresh, and I never have a problem... Many PC catalog outlets carry this part, they also make a 2 port for just over $100, and a PC/Mac package (2 port with a Mac adapter) for $149. You can also buy it from www.iogear.com IIRC. (I am not sure if you can cascade these units or not...) HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Gregory Leblanc wrote: > Where are you getting a nice KVM switch for that price? Is it a real one, > or just an analog switchbox? > Greg From james at foonly.com Tue May 2 18:28:02 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI cards for Ultra5/10 workstations... Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > I can't believe this thread (sorry everyone), but here is my best guess for a > commonly available SCSI card for the Ultra workstations: > > Tekram DC-390F: No, check the newsgroups. This is a particular card that is guaranteed not to work as it diverges from the Symbios reference design. The Diamond dual-UW cards evidently do work, FYI. -James From borisch.4 at osu.edu Tue May 2 22:17:06 2000 From: borisch.4 at osu.edu (Jeff Borisch) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:17:06 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: I hope this is more or less on topic. I am very interested in learing how to identify if a monitor that has a degraded picture is worth working on and trying to fix. This especially true with the fixed frequency stuff that can be hard to come by or workstations that are hard to get working with your garden variety svga screen. I have a NeXT meagpixel monitor that is exceptionally dim. For obvious reasons I want to get this working to play with its accompanying Cube. With the hood off I can see access holes to some pots. There are labels such as focus, horz cent, and the like. These are pretty obvious what they do. There is one called white point which I tweaked a bit and it made the picture a bit brighter. I was afraid to go further because of what iv'e heard about generating x-rays. For example, there is a pot labelled cutoff... cutoff what?! Regarding replacing caps and such, is there a good source of information regarding testing circuits and the simpler components like capacitors and transistors. I know enough how not to get myself killed. Breaking equipment is another story. best regards, jeffrey >The problem with these is that the monitor was on as long as the workstation >was on, so they've degraded with time. You can fix them by replacing caps >and other components, but taking them apart is a bitch. You had to run with >external disk to be standalone, but lots of folks either ran them diskless, >or as X-terminals. You can put either MB in either chassis, so if you have >an SLC with a good monitor, and an ELC with a crappy one, you can put the >ELC MB in the SLC and get a decent machine. > >Steve > From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Wed May 3 01:28:54 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:28:54 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] struggling opustation Message-ID: > I also put the NVRAM from my working SS2 into the OPUStation. The OPUS > displayed the right values (HOSTID, SERIAL No., Ethernet Address) i > know from the SS2, but the IDPROM error messages appears also. > > I don't know what to do. Is the system dead? > > BTW: The board of the OPUSstation PM 5000 looks very similar to the SS2 > board. The OPUSstation is equipped with a Weitek SPARC CPU @ 25MHz. > I don't know that it's dead yet. What were those errors again? Let's give this another go... Kurt From ab at infra.de Wed May 3 03:44:28 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:44:28 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: Hi, ...on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 11:17:06PM -0400, Jeff Borisch wrote: > I have a NeXT meagpixel monitor that is exceptionally dim. For obvious > reasons I want to get this working to play with its accompanying Cube. This is covered in the NeXT FAQ, unfortunately... http://www.peanuts.org/faq-serve/cache/192.html > With the hood off I can see access holes to some pots. There are labels > such as focus, horz cent, and the like. These are pretty obvious what > they do. There is one called white point which I tweaked a bit and it > made the picture a bit brighter. I was afraid to go further because of > what iv'e heard about generating x-rays. For example, there is a pot > labelled cutoff... cutoff what?! I don't think there will be serious radiation problems; AFAIK even real old monochrome monitors don't have problems to meet modern radiation standards. But if you have a monitor with a worn CRT cathode, there is probably not much you can do, except turning up the brightness until it dies completely... Alex. From jeff at sonicrim.com Wed May 3 09:07:17 2000 From: jeff at sonicrim.com (jeff borisch) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:07:17 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: on 5/3/2000 4:44 AM, Alexander Bochmann at ab at infra.de wrote: > > This is covered in the NeXT FAQ, unfortunately... > > http://www.peanuts.org/faq-serve/cache/192.html > Hey thanks for this link. there seems to be many fewer next fanatics than sun fanatics. This FAQ is Boss. (-: This group is Boss (-: Thanks, jeffrey PS I'm still working on the Mac As Serial Terminal issues ith my sparcs and will post my findings later. >> With the hood off I can see access holes to some pots. There are labels >> such as focus, horz cent, and the like. These are pretty obvious what >> they do. There is one called white point which I tweaked a bit and it >> made the picture a bit brighter. I was afraid to go further because of >> what iv'e heard about generating x-rays. For example, there is a pot >> labelled cutoff... cutoff what?! > > I don't think there will be serious radiation problems; AFAIK even > real old monochrome monitors don't have problems to meet modern > radiation standards. But if you have a monitor with a worn CRT > cathode, there is probably not much you can do, except turning > up the brightness until it dies completely... > > Alex. > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > -- From ab at infra.de Wed May 3 09:27:51 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:27:51 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, for quite a time, I have now been trying to compile the GNU ncurses on a sun3 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1... I have been trying with various configurations; different gcc versions (2.8.1 and 2.95.2), different binutils (2.8.1 and 2.9.1), and different versions of the ncurses lib (1.9.9g, 4.0 and 5.0), and it always breaks with a similar message: cd ../obj_s; gcc -I../ncurses -I. -DNDEBUG -I. -I../include -I/usr/local/include/ncurses -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMINFO=\"/usr/local/share/terminfo\" -O2 -D_REENTRANT -fpic -c ../ncurses/./tinfo/comp_scan.c /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s: Assembler messages: /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s:584: Error: operands mismatch -- statement `jbsr __nc_get_token,a1' ignored make[1]: *** [../obj_s/comp_scan.o] Error 1 Does gcc create incorrect assembler code here or do I have another problem? Any ideas? The same assembler error pops up, when I try to compile the Amanda network backup system, by the way... Alex. From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Wed May 3 10:52:47 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:52:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: All, I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. I initially thought this would be simple as the SunOS 5.7 kernel is generic between kernel architectures (sun4c, sun4m etc.). Not so as the boot program in /platform is only present for the kernel architecture of the machine it installed was originally on (i.e. my disc has sun4c present for the IPC, but lacks sun4m for the SS10). Easily solved, boot from CD and copy the /platform/sun4m stuff from CD to the system disk. Then I realised all the /devices entries are wrong! I'm getting errors about keyboard not present when booting now - I guess I need to boot from CD again and run drvconfig using the -r rootdir option. Is there a simple step-by-step way to move systems discs between architectures, or even machines? I guess if I move the system disc to a different sun4m machine (e.g. a SS5) all the device entries will be wrong again - iommu at obio 0xe0000000 on the SS10, at obio 0x10000000 on the SS5. It actually seems more difficult to do this with SunOS 5.x than it was with SunOS 4.x. Thanks for any help. Chris. From P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk Wed May 3 11:16:58 2000 From: P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.Osborne) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:16:58 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: It may be worth being really brave, by installing the disk booting 7 off of CD and telling it to do an upgrade but preserving filesystems.... --Paul On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:52:47PM +0100, Chris Powell wrote: > > All, > > I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want > to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance > now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. > > I initially thought this would be simple as the SunOS 5.7 kernel is > generic between kernel architectures (sun4c, sun4m etc.). Not so as > the boot program in /platform is only present for the kernel > architecture of the machine it installed was originally on (i.e. > my disc has sun4c present for the IPC, but lacks sun4m for the > SS10). Easily solved, boot from CD and copy the /platform/sun4m > stuff from CD to the system disk. Then I realised all the /devices > entries are wrong! I'm getting errors about keyboard not present > when booting now - I guess I need to boot from CD again and run > drvconfig using the -r rootdir option. > > Is there a simple step-by-step way to move systems discs between > architectures, or even machines? I guess if I move the system disc > to a different sun4m machine (e.g. a SS5) all the device entries > will be wrong again - iommu at obio 0xe0000000 on the SS10, > at obio 0x10000000 on the SS5. > > It actually seems more difficult to do this with SunOS 5.x than it > was with SunOS 4.x. > > Thanks for any help. > > > Chris. > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From martin at dsres.com Wed May 3 12:26:16 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:26:16 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Alexander Bochmann wrote: > /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s:584: Error: operands mismatch > -- statement `jbsr __nc_get_token,a1' ignored > Does gcc create incorrect assembler code here or do I have another > problem? That looks like incorrect assembler code. (a) the compiler should *never* generate any code that can't be assembled. (b) that instruction isn't valid on 680x0 assembly. Looks like the `,a1' is spurious (__nc_get_token is an absolute address, so no need for an address register). It may also be that it means `(__nc_get_token,a1)' (meaning __nc_get_token symbol plus contents of a1), in which case missing off the brackets is an error. This seems unlikely, unless the symbol is actually an array reference. Try getting an older version of gcc and trying with that. I never had any problems with 2.7.2, but 2.8.x seemed to break lots of things. I would offer to try to track down the bug, but I'm really snowed under with work and things atm. Sorry. --m From sammy at oh.verio.com Wed May 3 12:51:56 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Hi, > > for quite a time, I have now been trying to compile the GNU > ncurses on a sun3 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1... > > I have been trying with various configurations; different gcc > versions (2.8.1 and 2.95.2), different binutils (2.8.1 and > 2.9.1), and different versions of the ncurses lib (1.9.9g, > 4.0 and 5.0), and it always breaks with a similar message: > > cd ../obj_s; gcc -I../ncurses -I. -DNDEBUG -I. -I../include -I/usr/local/include/ncurses -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMINFO=\"/usr/local/share/terminfo\" -O2 -D_REENTRANT -fpic -c ../ncurses/./tinfo/comp_scan.c > /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s: Assembler messages: > /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s:584: Error: operands mismatch -- statement `jbsr __nc_get_token,a1' ignored > make[1]: *** [../obj_s/comp_scan.o] Error 1 > > Does gcc create incorrect assembler code here or do I have another > problem? > > Any ideas? Personally, I do all my builds with gcc 2.7.2.3 on my sun3... And I know for a fact that it generates proper code for GNU ncurses (though that was a linux-sun3 target). -- Sam "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From kurt at csh.rit.edu Wed May 3 13:11:17 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA drives for under $300. Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a $1400 price tag. I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the brackets necessary) --Kurt From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 3 13:44:23 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: On May 3, jeff borisch wrote: > Hey thanks for this link. there seems to be many fewer next fanatics than > sun fanatics. This FAQ is Boss. (-: I'm willing to bet a lot of folks around here use Sun machines at work...and I doubt that's the case for NeXT hardware. That probably accounts for the difference you're seeing. Sure, there are old Suns...but there are *only* old NeXTs, see what I mean? -Dave McGuire From ab at infra.de Wed May 3 13:44:27 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:44:27 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:26:16PM +0100, Martin Frost wrote: > Alexander Bochmann wrote: > > /usr/tmp/cci4Rul2.s:584: Error: operands mismatch > > -- statement `jbsr __nc_get_token,a1' ignored > That looks like incorrect assembler code. Ugh. In the .s file, it looks like this: L31: moveq #1,d0 cmpl d4,d0 jne L105 jbsr __nc_get_token,a1 movel d0,d3 > (a) the compiler should *never* generate any code that can't be assembled. > (b) that instruction isn't valid on 680x0 assembly. Looks like the `,a1' > is spurious (__nc_get_token is an absolute address, so no need for > an address register). > It may also be that it means `(__nc_get_token,a1)' (meaning > __nc_get_token symbol plus contents of a1), in which case missing When I compile that file with optimization turned off, I get an endless stream of jsbr something,a1 errors; with -O2 it occurs just that one time... :( > Try getting an older version of gcc and trying with that. I never had > any problems with 2.7.2, but 2.8.x seemed to break lots of things. Well, I used 2.8.1 with Linux/m68k on the Atari TT for some time, but then I didn't really compile much with it (Debian binary packages everywhere ;) ...). It seems I should really go back to 2.7.2.3 for that target... Thanks for your answer, Alex. From jeff at sonicrim.com Wed May 3 14:46:00 2000 From: jeff at sonicrim.com (jeff borisch) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: on 5/3/2000 2:44 PM, Dave McGuire at mcguire at neurotica.com wrote: > On May 3, jeff borisch wrote: >> Hey thanks for this link. there seems to be many fewer next fanatics than >> sun fanatics. This FAQ is Boss. (-: > > I'm willing to bet a lot of folks around here use Sun machines at > work...and I doubt that's the case for NeXT hardware. That probably > accounts for the difference you're seeing. Absolutely right-on point you make. More sun 'proponents', yes... I said 'fanatics' (-: best, jeffrey -- From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 3 15:03:37 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: On May 3, jeff borisch wrote: > > I'm willing to bet a lot of folks around here use Sun machines at > > work...and I doubt that's the case for NeXT hardware. That probably > > accounts for the difference you're seeing. > > Absolutely right-on point you make. > More sun 'proponents', yes... > I said 'fanatics' (-: Ahh, I missed that all-important word. Now I understand. ;-) -Dave McGuire From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed May 3 15:07:40 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:07:40 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Mosiejczuk [mailto:kurt at csh.rit.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:11 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use > as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA > drives for under $300. > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > $1400 price tag. > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > brackets necessary) Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion cubic feet per minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in the SS5, assuming that it doesn't cause the steel case to melt. The things to be aware of is that your root partition should be less than 2GB (less than 1 if you want SILO to work right, probably), and that an 18GB drive is probably going to be pretty hot, although I haven't used any for almost a year and a half, so I'm not sure about that. Greg From apotter at icsa.net Wed May 3 15:54:04 2000 From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:54:04 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: Greetings: > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > > $1400 price tag. > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > brackets necessary) > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion cubic feet per > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in the SS5..... Not quite true..... SCAs come in half height and low profile. The 4/5/20 chassis needs low profile, which is (he measures the dead gigger he's using for a paperweight) one inch high. I learned this the hard way with a cheapass fujitsu 9gigger from compgeeks.com. Fortunately, an sca <-> wide adaptor let it live in my dual cpu linux box and all was not lost. I would also be very wary of heat issues. Make this the only drive in the chassis if you can. AL From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed May 3 16:25:45 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:25:45 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: apotter at icsa.net [mailto:apotter at icsa.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:54 PM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > > Greetings: > > > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun > reseller who said we > > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that > big. With a > > > $1400 price tag. > > > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there > isn't a problem > > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > > brackets necessary) > > > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion > cubic feet per > > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in > the SS5..... > > Not quite true..... SCAs come in half height and low > profile. The 4/5/20 chassis needs low profile, which is (he > measures the dead gigger he's using for a paperweight) one inch high. > I learned this the hard way with a cheapass fujitsu 9gigger > from compgeeks.com. Fortunately, an sca <-> wide adaptor let > it live in my dual cpu linux box and all was not lost. You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA connector is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should have the connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately wouldn't work, there isn't enough space. > I would also be very wary of heat issues. Make this the only > drive in the chassis if you can. Yeah, with an 18GB drive, why would you even put two drives in there? Greg From apotter at icsa.net Wed May 3 16:50:17 2000 From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:50:17 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu said: > You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA > connector is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should > have the connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately > wouldn't work, there isn't enough space. The bail on the carrier wouldn't go down over the drive, so it was hack up an expensive carrier, or swap drives. I need the 9 in the other unit more anyway. AL From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 3 17:20:03 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:20:03 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: I have tried to put half height drives in the SS5/20 boxen, it never works, the top edge of the drive hits the upper drive connector on the backplane. I have tried Quantum, Seagate and IBM drives all the same problem. Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu said: > > You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA > > connector is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should > > have the connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately > > wouldn't work, there isn't enough space. > > The bail on the carrier wouldn't go down over the drive, so it was hack up an > expensive carrier, or swap drives. I need the 9 in the other unit more anyway. > > > > AL > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From nick at ns.snowman.net Wed May 3 18:01:32 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: 18Gig drives are getting better. Especially if you get a newer 7200 (or 5400 rpm, but I don't think they make any that slow) it may even put out less heat than a stock 2gig. (drive size dosen't affect heat all that much, mostly it's speed, and friction, speed is always going up, friction is always going down ) Nick On Wed, 3 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kurt Mosiejczuk [mailto:kurt at csh.rit.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:11 AM > > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > > Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > > > I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use > > as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA > > drives for under $300. > > > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > > $1400 price tag. > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > brackets necessary) > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion cubic feet per > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in the SS5, assuming > that it doesn't cause the steel case to melt. The things to be aware of is > that your root partition should be less than 2GB (less than 1 if you want > SILO to work right, probably), and that an 18GB drive is probably going to > be pretty hot, although I haven't used any for almost a year and a half, so > I'm not sure about that. > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From nick at ns.snowman.net Wed May 3 18:02:14 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: There is also .75 high sca now. I've never seen one, but several are listed. Nick On Wed, 3 May 2000 apotter at icsa.net wrote: > Greetings: > > > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > > > $1400 price tag. > > > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > > brackets necessary) > > > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion cubic feet per > > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in the SS5..... > > Not quite true..... SCAs come in half height and low profile. The 4/5/20 chassis needs low profile, which is (he measures the dead gigger he's using for a paperweight) one inch high. > > I learned this the hard way with a cheapass fujitsu 9gigger from compgeeks.com. Fortunately, an sca <-> wide adaptor let it live in my dual cpu linux box and all was not lost. > > I would also be very wary of heat issues. Make this the only drive in the chassis if you can. > > > > > AL > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From nick at ns.snowman.net Wed May 3 18:04:17 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: Well the last one I can answer . Because your developers refuse to remove or change their log files (which are now ~4gig of text a pop) . Nick On Wed, 3 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: apotter at icsa.net [mailto:apotter at icsa.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:54 PM > > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SCA drives... > > > > > > Greetings: > > > > > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun > > reseller who said we > > > > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that > > big. With a > > > > $1400 price tag. > > > > > > > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there > > isn't a problem > > > > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the > > > > brackets necessary) > > > > > > Should be just fine, assuming that you've got a 3billion > > cubic feet per > > > minute fan in there... :-) Any SCA drive should work in > > the SS5..... > > > > Not quite true..... SCAs come in half height and low > > profile. The 4/5/20 chassis needs low profile, which is (he > > measures the dead gigger he's using for a paperweight) one inch high. > > I learned this the hard way with a cheapass fujitsu 9gigger > > from compgeeks.com. Fortunately, an sca <-> wide adaptor let > > it live in my dual cpu linux box and all was not lost. > > You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA connector > is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should have the > connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately wouldn't work, there > isn't enough space. > > > I would also be very wary of heat issues. Make this the only > > drive in the chassis if you can. > > Yeah, with an 18GB drive, why would you even put two drives in there? > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Wed May 3 17:50:16 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:50:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: I am concerend about heat, but we really need to understand how your system is used to give a real answer: Is it left on 24x7 or just for 4 - 8 hour demos? Are you planning on one drive or two? Are these half-height or low-profile? What is the speed of the drive - 5000 RPM, 7200 RPM or higher? What speed is the CPU in the SS5? What other SBUS cards are you running (incl. framebuffer)? The real question is this - how hot does your system get now, and how much hotter will it get after you add this drive? I have 2x4Gig HDs in my SS5/70, but it is a rather baren box (only a TGX frame bufffer, may be adding a SCSI/Ethernet card), but it is only left on occasionally. I did smoke test it by letting it run for 96+ hours and the air exiting the case seemed a little warm, not overly hot (IMHO)... But these are 5400 RPM drives. External cases are not that expensive, and I don't think your clients will find two pieces (SS5 and ext. drive) offensive/complex. One other thought - one 18 Gig HD is probably *much* better than 2x9 Gig HDs - the heat is a function of the motors, not the storage capacity... HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use > as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA > drives for under $300. > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > $1400 price tag. > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the brackets necessary) > > --Kurt > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From taren at c344818-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com Wed May 3 20:39:21 2000 From: taren at c344818-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (Taren) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the system can rebuild the correct devices. > > It may be worth being really brave, by installing the disk > booting 7 off of CD and telling it to do an upgrade but > preserving filesystems.... > > --Paul > > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:52:47PM +0100, Chris Powell wrote: > > > > All, > > > > I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want > > to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance > > now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. > > > > I initially thought this would be simple as the SunOS 5.7 kernel is > > generic between kernel architectures (sun4c, sun4m etc.). Not so as > > the boot program in /platform is only present for the kernel > > architecture of the machine it installed was originally on (i.e. > > my disc has sun4c present for the IPC, but lacks sun4m for the > > SS10). Easily solved, boot from CD and copy the /platform/sun4m > > stuff from CD to the system disk. Then I realised all the /devices > > entries are wrong! I'm getting errors about keyboard not present > > when booting now - I guess I need to boot from CD again and run > > drvconfig using the -r rootdir option. > > > > Is there a simple step-by-step way to move systems discs between > > architectures, or even machines? I guess if I move the system disc > > to a different sun4m machine (e.g. a SS5) all the device entries > > will be wrong again - iommu at obio 0xe0000000 on the SS10, > > at obio 0x10000000 on the SS5. > > > > It actually seems more difficult to do this with SunOS 5.x than it > > was with SunOS 4.x. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > Chris. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From paul at atgi.net Wed May 3 22:10:47 2000 From: paul at atgi.net (Paul Theodoropoulos) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:10:47 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: Yes and no. If you are adding/removing external scsi devices on a running system - such as a cdrom drive , or a new tape drive, or what-have-you - you don't have to reboot. You can simply run the triad of drvconfig && devlinks && disks or for tape devices, drvconfig && devlinks && tapes that'll configure the /etc/path_to_inst file, create the appropriate device entries and links, and you should be able to rock and roll without a reboot. If you've added or changed the configuration info for a driver, such as the sd disk drive or st tape driver, you may need to force a refresh on the loadable kernel module by unloading the active instance - root % modinfo | grep scsi 20 1017f2bc 7af2 - 1 scsi (SCSI Bus Utility Routines) 71 1023bafc 12b28 32 1 sd (SCSI Disk Driver 1.299) 75 1024c67c cc65 50 1 glm (GLM SCSI HBA Driver 1.129.) 95 102a961c 110a6 33 1 st (SCSI tape Driver 1.191) in this case, if I was trying a new tape driver, I'd run root % modunload -i 95 The module will then be reload with the new configuration/device info after the device is first accessed. Now, all that granted, when you're talking about moving a boot disk from one architecture system to another, it's a whole nuther ball of wax. boot -r will not necessarily do the right thing, particularly with the crucial /etc/path_to_inst file, which may have entirely incorrect instance entries for the new hardware. What may work is to rename /etc/path_to_inst to, say, /etc/Xpath_to_inst (or /etc/path_to_inst.old, whatever you like really), then do a boot -ra. The 'a' flag forces the system to ask you what to do each during each step of the boot process. In this case, you'd accept the default for everything, and be sure that when it asks you if you want to rebuild the /etc/path_to_inst file, that you answer 'y'. That'll likely do the trick. Sorry for the verbosity! At 06:39 PM 5/3/00, you wrote: >Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to >run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the >system can rebuild the correct devices. > > > > > It may be worth being really brave, by installing the disk > > booting 7 off of CD and telling it to do an upgrade but > > preserving filesystems.... > > > > --Paul > > > > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:52:47PM +0100, Chris Powell wrote: > > > > > > All, > > > > > > I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want > > > to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance > > > now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. > > > > > > I initially thought this would be simple as the SunOS 5.7 kernel is > > > generic between kernel architectures (sun4c, sun4m etc.). Not so as > > > the boot program in /platform is only present for the kernel > > > architecture of the machine it installed was originally on (i.e. > > > my disc has sun4c present for the IPC, but lacks sun4m for the > > > SS10). Easily solved, boot from CD and copy the /platform/sun4m > > > stuff from CD to the system disk. Then I realised all the /devices > > > entries are wrong! I'm getting errors about keyboard not present > > > when booting now - I guess I need to boot from CD again and run > > > drvconfig using the -r rootdir option. > > > > > > Is there a simple step-by-step way to move systems discs between > > > architectures, or even machines? I guess if I move the system disc > > > to a different sun4m machine (e.g. a SS5) all the device entries > > > will be wrong again - iommu at obio 0xe0000000 on the SS10, > > > at obio 0x10000000 on the SS5. > > > > > > It actually seems more difficult to do this with SunOS 5.x than it > > > was with SunOS 4.x. > > > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > > > > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Theodoropoulos | paul at atgi.net | Senior Unix Systems Administrator Internet Services Div. | Advanced TelCom Group Inc. | Santa Rosa, CA US From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 4 02:10:47 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:10:47 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:39:21PM -0700, Taren wrote: > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > system can rebuild the correct devices. You also have to use "installboot" to install the correct bootblock for the new system on the drive. Bill > > It may be worth being really brave, by installing the disk > > booting 7 off of CD and telling it to do an upgrade but > > preserving filesystems.... > > --Paul > > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:52:47PM +0100, Chris Powell wrote: > > > All, > > > I have a Solaris 7 system disk in a SPARCstation IPC which I want > > > to move to a SPARCstation 10 (hey, I might get usable performance > > > now!). I want to do this without re-installing Solaris. -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 02:15:33 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:15:33 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: Hi, ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:39:21PM -0700, Taren wrote: > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > system can rebuild the correct devices. Wasn't there also something like touch /reconfigure; reboot ? At work, we moved a boot disk fom a Sparc 1 to a Sparc 5 last year; I'll go and look whether we have documented that somewehre... Alex. From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Thu May 4 02:45:13 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 03:45:13 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: touch /reconfigure triggers the same process a boot -r command will, as with most thing Unix, there is more than one way to do the same thing... HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Hi, > > ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:39:21PM -0700, Taren wrote: > > > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > > system can rebuild the correct devices. > > Wasn't there also something like touch /reconfigure; reboot ? > > At work, we moved a boot disk fom a Sparc 1 to a Sparc 5 last > year; I'll go and look whether we have documented that somewehre... > > Alex. > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 02:51:39 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:51:39 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Dim Monitors (WAS: What exactly is a Sun 4/25 ?) Message-ID: ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 10:07:17AM -0400, jeff borisch wrote: > there seems to be many fewer next fanatics than sun fanatics. Well, the NeXT users that are left must probably be fanatics, sort of; but there were never that many compared to sun users. (Although, recently, I repaired a NeXT Cube that is still the mailserver for a department at a german university.) You know there are Y2K fixes for NeXTStep 3.3 and OpenStep on Nextanswers (support.apple.com, I think, nowadays)? Alex. From brt at osk.sema.se Thu May 4 03:39:47 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:39:47 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: apotter at icsa.net wrote: > > > You mean a single half-height SCA drive didn't even fit? The SCA > > connector is at the same height, and putting in in the carrier should > > have the connector aligned correctly. Using 2 drives definately > > wouldn't work, there isn't enough space. > > The bail on the carrier wouldn't go down over the drive, so it was hack up an > expensive carrier, or swap drives. I need the 9 in the other unit more anyway. Simply get rid of that handle.. the drive should fit nicely anyway. If you're still worried the drive will "pop away", secure it with some "plastic hardware hack"... should work like a charm. /Regards, Bjorn From brt at osk.sema.se Thu May 4 03:48:40 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:48:40 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SCA drives... Message-ID: Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > > I've convinced my boss to improve the disk space on a Sparc 5 we use > as a "demo" machines and test bed. Hi-Tech Warehouse has 18G SCSI-SCA > drives for under $300. > > Of course, the acquisitions person called our sun reseller who said we > can't do that and need to go extternal for a drive that big. With a > $1400 price tag. > > I'm just basically looking for confirmation that there isn't a problem > with putting an 18G SCA drive in a sparc 5 (we have the brackets necessary) Sounds like you're getting a brand new drive for that price, which leads me to the fact that this 18G drive is a low-profile model, which would fit just fine in a SS5. I know our IBM Ultrastar 18ES drives are all low-profile (one inch) thick, but the again the "early" Quantum Atlas IV 18G and 36G (currently relabeled to RZ1xx-xx by Compaq) are all Half-Height. The heat shouldn't be a problem on this pecker, even if it's a 18G drive. Technology has been pushing the limits down on friction, motors and other things, so this drive probably won't be much hotter than any other (newer) drive in the same size... (comparing to *ptwiee* IDE-ATA drives) Ofcourse the HH (Half-Height) drives tend to get hot, very hot, as with all first generation harddrives. So, check out that drive, especially look up the model number of the drive and check for the manufacturers data on it. Should wipe out any doubts available. However, I haven't taken any Solaris issue into consideration here, so you'd have to check that out for yourself. :-) /Regards, Bjorn From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 06:35:28 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:35:28 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, ...on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 01:51:56PM -0400, Sam Creasey wrote: > Personally, I do all my builds with gcc 2.7.2.3 on my sun3... And I know > for a fact that it generates proper code for GNU ncurses (though that was > a linux-sun3 target). # gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/m68k-sun-sunos4.1.1/2.7.2.3/specs gcc version 2.7.2.3 But still: cd ../obj_s; gcc -I../ncurses -I. -DNDEBUG -I. -I../include -I/usr/local/include/ncurses -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTERMINFO=\"/usr/local/share/terminfo\" -O2 -D_REENTRANT -fpic -c ../ncurses/./base/lib_set_term.c /usr/tmp/cca15102.s: Assembler messages: /usr/tmp/cca15102.s:50: Error: operands mismatch -- statement `jbsr __nc_free_keytry,a1' ignored It's in another source file now, but the problem seems to be the same. Can there be a problem with just the m68k-sun-sunos4.1.1 target, or is it more likely I have some systematic error here (although I wouldn't know what that could be right now...)? Alex. From martin at dsres.com Thu May 4 08:24:24 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:24:24 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Can there be a problem with just the m68k-sun-sunos4.1.1 target, or > is it more likely I have some systematic error here (although I wouldn't > know what that could be right now...)? You say you are using GNU binutils. Did you configure gcc with --use-gnu-as and --use-gnu-ld ? --m From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Thu May 4 11:04:26 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:04:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000 18:39:21 -0700 (PDT), Taren wrote: > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > system can rebuild the correct devices. Oh yes, I'd forgotten about boot-flags other than -s! On Wed, 03 May 2000 20:10:47 -0700, Paul Theodoropoulos wrote: > Yes and no. If you are adding/removing external scsi devices on a running > system - such as a cdrom drive , or a new tape drive, or what-have-you - > you don't have to reboot. You can simply run the triad of > > drvconfig && devlinks && disks > > or for tape devices, > > drvconfig && devlinks && tapes > > that'll configure the /etc/path_to_inst file, create the appropriate device > entries and links, and you should be able to rock and roll without a > reboot. If you've added or changed the configuration info for a driver, > such as the sd disk drive or st tape driver, you may need to force a > refresh on the loadable kernel module by unloading the active instance - This and the boot -r trick looks like it'll do the job splendidly. I was tinkering yesterday evening by using drvconfig -r /a/devices (after booting from CDROM and mounting the root partition on /a) to create the correct device files. This worked OK, except it didn't update the all important (as I now realise) /etc/path_to_inst file (and moaned that it couldn't do so). I couldn't figure out how to force path_to_inst to get updated, so I used sed to change all the hardware addresses over to the SS10 :) Oh well, if things were always push-button easy, they wouldn't be half as interesting! Thanks. Chris. From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 13:02:31 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:02:31 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: ...on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 02:24:24PM +0100, Martin Frost wrote: > > Can there be a problem with just the m68k-sun-sunos4.1.1 target, or > > is it more likely I have some systematic error here > You say you are using GNU binutils. > Did you configure gcc with --use-gnu-as and --use-gnu-ld ? I did try different combinations (I think I made the gnu binutils after it didn't work without)... For the 2.7.2.3 gcc I didn't use these flags, because the readme sais that they don't have any effect on this target. I think I had 2.95.2 and 2.8.1 with and without --use-gnu*. Alex. P.S., with 2.7.2.3 the following code is generated that fails: __nc_free_keytry: link a6,#0 movel a5,sp at - movel a2,sp at - movel #__GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_, a5 lea pc@(0,a5:l),a5 movel a6@(8),a2 tstl a2 jeq L3 movel a2@,sp at - jbsr __nc_free_keytry,a1 movel a2@(4),sp at - jbsr __nc_free_keytry,a1 movel a2,sp at - movel a5@(_free:w),a0 jsr a0@ From drjolt at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu May 4 13:58:21 2000 From: drjolt at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:58:21 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: Quoting <200005041604.RAA19603 at brian.psc> by Chris Powell : > This and the boot -r trick looks like it'll do the job splendidly. > I was tinkering yesterday evening by using drvconfig -r /a/devices > (after booting from CDROM and mounting the root partition on /a) > to create the correct device files. This worked OK, except it didn't > update the all important (as I now realise) /etc/path_to_inst file > (and moaned that it couldn't do so). I couldn't figure out how to > force path_to_inst to get updated, so I used sed to change all the > hardware addresses over to the SS10 :) > Oh well, if things were always push-button easy, they wouldn't be > half as interesting! An alternative might be to use something like the following, which has got me out of a couple of messy situations [1]. 1. Copy the two files /etc/path_to_inst and /etc/path_to_inst.old to /var/tmp and remove the originals. 2. Boot with "boot -ar", accepting the default parameters, and answering "yes" to regenerate the path_to_inst file. 3. Shutdown to an OK prompt (init 0) and boot from CDROM with the "boot cdrom -s" command. 4. Mount the root filesystem from the primary disk onto /a 5. Change into the /dev directory on the CD and copy the device links across to the root file system "cd /dev | find . -print | cpio -pdvnum /a/dev" [1] Like reconfiguring an Ultra 10 with mirrored disks so that each disk was on a different IDE channel - disks on the same channel both become inaccessible if the master fails. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From martin at dsres.com Thu May 4 14:03:17 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:03:17 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Alexander Bochmann wrote: > P.S., with 2.7.2.3 the following code is generated that fails: [...] That's definitely wrong. There is no way that A1 could be legally used at that point, because it's never been initialised, and gcc doesn't use register args on 680x0. What does the function __nc_free_keytry() look like in C? What does the RTL for the function look like? (run the compiler with -dr) --m From ab at infra.de Thu May 4 17:01:03 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:01:03 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, ...on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 08:03:17PM +0100, Martin Frost wrote: > Alexander Bochmann wrote: > > P.S., with 2.7.2.3 the following code is generated that fails: > What does the function __nc_free_keytry() look like in C? I thought you had no time ;] I'll send you a mail with the data off the list; probably gets a bit lenghty... Alex. From mdeen at xs4all.nl Thu May 4 17:31:28 2000 From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:31:28 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Connector on SuperSparc modules Message-ID: I am just installing a second SM71 in my Sparc 20 and I noticed that both modules have a 2-pin connector on the board (top left if the mbus connector is at bottom, pointing down). It looks the same as the receptive plug on the LED assembly in 411 cases. Does anyone know wat it is for? I'm hoping for an activity LED. Flashing LEDs for no reason are cool ;-) Maarten p.s.: the second module runs fine, the machine feels notably faster. -- Maarten Deen +31 (0)77 3076879 mdeen at xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Fri May 5 10:39:34 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:39:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Moving system disk between machines Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000 02:10:47 -0500, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:39:21PM -0700, Taren wrote: > > Anytime you change (add/remove) hardware from a system it's necessary to > > run boot -r (or if you want to use reboot, read the man page) so that the > > system can rebuild the correct devices. > > You also have to use "installboot" to install the correct bootblock for > the new system on the drive. Yup, this was something I did figure. You also need to copy the new platform dependent ufsboot file to /platform/sun4m/ufsboot (as I was moving from sun4c /platform/sun4c/ufsboot was present) as well as installing the bootblk from /usr/platform/sun4m/lib/fs/ufs. A bit more experimenting with boot -r and boot -a still didn't get a fully working system. I was ending up with CPU panics or /usr being mounted read-only or not mounted at all (eek!). When the machine was not mounting /usr, it was saying 'boot with the -b option' - isn't this an old SunOS 4.x boot option? It's not on the SunOS 5.x kernel(1M) manual page! It seems as if removing /etc/path_to_inst and doing a boot -ra doesn't fully configure the machine from scratch. The kernel seems to try and use /dev and /devices if they are present, even if you want them rebuilt. Removing everything under /dev and /devices doesn't help as the machine then won't boot. My steps to move an IPC system disc to a SS10 (I think!): 1. BACK THE DRIVE UP! 2. Boot from CD. Mount the root partition of the drive on /a and install the /platform/sun4m and /usr/platform/sun4m hierarchies and machine type (SUNW,....) links. Use 'installboot' to install the boot block. 3. Remove everything under /a/dev and /a/devices. 4. Tar /dev and /devices (i.e. the devices directories of your CD booted system). Untar them in /a/dev and /a/devices. 5. Remove /a/etc/path_to_inst 6. Halt the system, and reboot with -ravs (rebuild, ask, verbose, single-user) kernel flags. Hit return for everything EXCEPT when it asks to recreate /etc/path_to_inst (answer y). I certainly wouldn't guarantee this working every time (hence the need for a backup), but it worked for me (so far!). I guess Sun don't support moving disks between machine types without reinstalling Solaris! Thanks to everyone who replied to my original query. Chris. From ab at infra.de Fri May 5 17:34:35 2000 From: ab at infra.de (Alexander Bochmann) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:34:35 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] problem compiling ncurses on SunOS 4.1.1/sun3 Message-ID: Hi, I think I have found something... ...on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 08:03:17PM +0100, Martin Frost wrote: > That's definitely wrong. There is no way that A1 could be legally > used at that point, because it's never been initialised, and gcc On a sudden inspiration, I have searched the gcc config files for "jbsr", and found the following comment in the machine description file for m68k (gcc-2.7.2.3/config/m68k/m68k.md): ;; When outputting MIT syntax (e.g. on Suns), we add a bogus extra ;; operand to the jbsr statement to indicate that this call should ;; go through the PLT (why? because this is the way that Sun does it). Possibly the newer gnu binutils have "forgotten" about this feature on the m68k-sun-sunos4 target...? Alex. From twmaster at earthlink.net Sun May 7 02:19:13 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 03:19:13 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] More free 1 MB 30 Pin SIMM's Message-ID: Hi gang, I have more 1 MB SIMM's to give out yet again, approx. 90 pieces, first come first served, please don't be a pig, share!! Also 5 or so Maxtor 213 MB OEM Sun HD's, same deal first come first to grab. All I ask is pay for the postage, or if you are a qualifying non-profit who needs the parts let me know, I am sure I can help with the shipping. Cheers, Mike N From mdeen at xs4all.nl Sun May 7 10:12:46 2000 From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:12:46 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Calculating memory in use Message-ID: Hi, I just know this has been asked before, but can't find it in the list archives (ok, maybe it has been asked on a newsgroup), but is there a way to calculate the amount of memory that my programs use? I'm not interested in portion in paged-in or paged-out memory, just the grand total of all programs in memory. Could it be the sum of the SZ column in the long output of ps? Cheers, Maarten -- Maarten Deen +31 (0)77 3076879 mdeen at xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen From liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Sun May 7 15:56:35 2000 From: liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Liam Stewart) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: Hi all, I've come into possession of two old Suns: a 3/50 and an SLC. I've got some knowledge of Unix (primarily Linux), but this is the first opportunity that I've had to really play around with Suns. My goal with these two computers is to turn them into (hopefully) useful pieces of equipment (they're sitting in my basement right now doing nothing). The 3/50 has no tape drive. I wanted to do an installation of NetBSD onto it or turn it into an X-terminal, but i've run into a little problem. I've hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? As for the SLC, I don't have anything except the monitor part (no keyboard or anything). Is it possible to turn this guy into an X-terminal or something similar? What kind of Sun keyboards will work with the SLC? Hoping to save these guys from the dumpster, Liam -- Liam Stewart E-Mail: liam at ualberta.ca Forty-two -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy" From paul at partitura.com Sun May 7 21:02:55 2000 From: paul at partitura.com (Paul Phillips) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:02:55 -0600 Subject: [SunRescue] GDM20E20 what is this little button? Message-ID: I've got a Sun GDM20E20 monitor. On the very left end of the controls at the bottom of the monitor is a small recessed button that is about 1/4 inch square. Under it are three dots. It would have to be depressed with a pen or pencil. If someone has this monitor -- What does this button do? Also, the next button over seems to have three functions, but I don't know what they are. Thanks for any information. Paul Phillips paul at partitura.com From mrbill at mrbill.net Sun May 7 21:15:10 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:15:10 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 02:56:35PM -0600, Liam Stewart wrote: > Hi all, > I've come into possession of two old Suns: a 3/50 and an SLC. I've got > some knowledge of Unix (primarily Linux), but this is the first > opportunity that I've had to really play around with Suns. My goal with > these two computers is to turn them into (hopefully) useful pieces of > equipment (they're sitting in my basement right now doing nothing). > The 3/50 has no tape drive. I wanted to do an installation of NetBSD onto > it or turn it into an X-terminal, but i've run into a little problem. I've > hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; > there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, > and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware > in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? Its not worth fixing; for around $20-25, you can pick up a barebones SPARCstation 1 thats much faster. > As for the SLC, I don't have anything except the monitor part (no keyboard > or anything). Is it possible to turn this guy into an X-terminal or > something similar? What kind of Sun keyboards will work with the SLC? Any Sun Type 4/5/6 keyboard will work with the SLC just fine; all you need for a complete system is to plug in external SCSI HD and CD-ROM. The SLC is basically a SPARCstation 1+. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From james at foonly.com Sun May 7 23:49:13 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] GDM20E20 what is this little button? Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Paul Phillips wrote: > I've got a Sun GDM20E20 monitor. > > On the very left end of the controls at the bottom of the monitor is a > small recessed button that is about 1/4 inch square. Under it are three > dots. > > It would have to be depressed with a pen or pencil. > > If someone has this monitor -- What does this button do? Resets monitor settings to factory defaults. > Also, the next button over seems to have three functions, but I don't know > what they are. Top one (with the 3 dots in a box) is color temperature and balance. Middle one is moire correction (disabled by default). Bottom one is the settings "key", it prevents changes from being made if enabled. -James From twmaster at earthlink.net Mon May 8 00:06:03 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 01:06:03 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB: SCA 4.3 GB Drives Message-ID: Kinda says it, best price, need 4 or so. Mike N From mdeen at xs4all.nl Mon May 8 02:13:14 2000 From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:13:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: Liam Stewart: > hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; > there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, > and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware > in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good even by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. Have you tried to hook it up to thinwire using the BNC connector? Maarten From sammy at oh.verio.com Mon May 8 07:02:12 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Maarten Deen wrote: > Liam Stewart: > > > hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; > > there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, > > and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware > > in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? > > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good even > by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > > Have you tried to hook it up to thinwire using the BNC connector? Erm, what drivers/OS are you assuming? FTP'ing a file to my linux-running sun3 shows: 8640054 bytes received in 14.2 secs (6e+02 Kbytes/sec) Though, admittedly, that's without the disk write. Packet loss has only been a problem when my roommate's crappy ne2k used to bleat packets while he was playing StarCraft.... -- Sam "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From martin at dsres.com Mon May 8 07:29:41 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:29:41 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: Sam Creasey wrote: > > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good > > even by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > FTP'ing a file to my linux-running sun3 shows: > 8640054 bytes received in 14.2 secs (6e+02 Kbytes/sec) I seem to remember a discussion on the Linux/sun3 mailing list that there may be a bad capacitor somewhere in the onboard 10base-2 transceiver, which can dry out after a long period, causing spurious packet loss. Suggested fix was to use an external transceiver. On Linux/sun3, however, the ethernet driver *far* outperforms the SCSI driver. I believe it's still true that NFS is faster than local disks. ;) --m From sammy at oh.verio.com Mon May 8 07:45:00 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Martin Frost wrote: > Sam Creasey wrote: > > > > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good > > > even by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > > > FTP'ing a file to my linux-running sun3 shows: > > 8640054 bytes received in 14.2 secs (6e+02 Kbytes/sec) > > I seem to remember a discussion on the Linux/sun3 mailing list that > there may be a bad capacitor somewhere in the onboard 10base-2 > transceiver, which can dry out after a long period, causing spurious > packet loss. Suggested fix was to use an external transceiver. > > On Linux/sun3, however, the ethernet driver *far* outperforms the > SCSI driver. I believe it's still true that NFS is faster than local > disks. ;) Oh, god yes. :) NFS is faster than *dma* scsi by a factor of 2-3x. "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 8 07:41:15 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:41:15 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB: SCA 4.3 GB Drives Message-ID: Here is a good 2 Gig price, if yocan use refurbs... http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST32105WC As you might guess, these are Seagate ST32105WC drives which are 1" high SCA drives for $29/each. Egghead usually has some low-price SCA drives as well, for example: http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049167/02805914.htm An IBM 9 Gig 1" high SCA drive (new) for $159... HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Mike Nicewonger wrote: > Kinda says it, best price, need 4 or so. > > Mike N > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mdeen at xs4all.nl Mon May 8 07:57:54 2000 From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:57:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: Sam Creasey: > On Mon, 8 May 2000, Maarten Deen wrote: > > > Liam Stewart: > > > > > hooked up to my home LAN, but the ethernet on it seems to be quite flaky; > > > there's massive packet loss. I've ruled out the tranciever, interference, > > > and the hub so the problem has come down to the actual ethernet hardware > > > in the box unless I've missed something. Is there way to fix/replace it? > > > > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good even > > by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > > > > Have you tried to hook it up to thinwire using the BNC connector? > > Erm, what drivers/OS are you assuming? > > FTP'ing a file to my linux-running sun3 shows: > 8640054 bytes received in 14.2 secs (6e+02 Kbytes/sec) Hmm, in my memory I thought the hardware was bad. Could be sun's ie driver though. Maarten From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 8 07:56:51 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:56:51 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB: SCA 4.3 GB Drives Message-ID: www.centrix-intl.com is also a good place to look... Ken Hansen wrote: > Here is a good 2 Gig price, if yocan use refurbs... > > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST32105WC > > As you might guess, these are Seagate ST32105WC drives which are 1" high > > SCA drives for $29/each. > > Egghead usually has some low-price SCA drives as well, for example: > > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049167/02805914.htm > > An IBM 9 Gig 1" high SCA drive (new) for $159... > > HTH, > > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > Mike Nicewonger wrote: > > > Kinda says it, best price, need 4 or so. > > > > Mike N > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From shatle at vue.com Mon May 8 09:34:27 2000 From: shatle at vue.com (Hatle, Steven J.) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:34:27 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IBM 7011 Powerstation 220 Message-ID: Greetings All, I picked up the above workstation (along with an HP 300, another IBM Power series box and 4 Tandy Model 100's) in a dumpster dive at the local Nat. Weather service office. It's the first one of these I've run across. I've done some Usenet searching, but my findings have been inconclusive. . . does this use PS/2 keyboards and mice, or do I need some IBM specific thing? Also, the MicroChannel video card in the thing has 3 outputs- RGB with no separate sync. I have an IBM monitor that came with my RT/11 that has RGB inputs (model 5081, if I remember) but firing up the 220 produces only 1-2 flashes on the screen- otherwise it stays black. What type of monitor can I use? The machine appears to run, FWIW, and I'll probably put together a cable for a serial console and go from there, but pointers to the above and perhaps a source for the proper AIX would be appreciated. I do have the key. Thanks! Steve ---------------------------------------------- Steve Hatle NCS/VUE shatle at vue.com ---------------------------------------------- From davis at skink.net Mon May 8 10:05:45 2000 From: davis at skink.net (John F. Davis) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:05:45 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IBM 7011 Powerstation 220 Message-ID: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:34:27AM -0500, Hatle, Steven J. wrote: > Greetings All, > > I picked up the above workstation (along with an HP 300, another IBM Power > series box and 4 Tandy Model 100's) in a dumpster dive at the local Nat. > Weather service office. It's the first one of these I've run across. I think I have that same model. I paid $40 for mine. I was disappointed to find out that Linux for the PPC doesn't work on mine. If you have an AIX boot image, I would like to play with it. For what's worth, I used a sun monitor to watch it boot. John > > I've done some Usenet searching, but my findings have been inconclusive. . > . does this use PS/2 keyboards and mice, or do I need some IBM specific > thing? > > Also, the MicroChannel video card in the thing has 3 outputs- RGB with no > separate sync. I have an IBM monitor that came with my RT/11 that has RGB > inputs (model 5081, if I remember) but firing up the 220 produces only 1-2 > flashes on the screen- otherwise it stays black. What type of monitor can I > use? > > The machine appears to run, FWIW, and I'll probably put together a cable for > a serial console and go from there, but pointers to the above and perhaps a > source for the proper AIX would be appreciated. I do have the key. > > Thanks! > > Steve > > ---------------------------------------------- > Steve Hatle > NCS/VUE > shatle at vue.com > ---------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 8 11:15:00 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:15:00 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Free 64mb RAM for U5/10 Message-ID: Due to circumstances, I'll have 64mb (2 x 32mb) of RAM for an Ultra 5/10 available soon.. I'm in a generous mood, so if you've got an U5/10, need RAM, and have a good reason why I should give it to YOU instead of someone else, let me know. 8-) (I've got 256mb coming from a hardware trade, so I dont need the 32mb DIMMs anymore..) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From Kirwan_Marty at prc.com Mon May 8 12:53:49 2000 From: Kirwan_Marty at prc.com (Kirwan Marty) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:53:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] I'm the proverbial Bull in a China Sparc Station Message-ID: Hello, I was recently destroying, I mean transferring some internals of one Sparc 2 to another. I was lulled into thinking I knew what I was doing till I pulled out a RAM expansion card. Not a SIMM, a RAM expansion card. Sort of like the old memory expansion cards you used to be able to place into a PC to get higher memory above 640k. Not really paying attention to what I was doing I removed the card and heard a noise that shouldn't have been there. This Ram expansion card had a cellophane-like ribbon cable attached that connected the side of the card to an 8-pin connector on the motherboard next to the power supply. The ribbon has a number on it, 530-1814-02. In finer print is another number 270-182902 REV 01. Does anyone have any idea where I might find a new cable? Or even what I should call it when I ask someone? Thanks, Marty Destroyer of All Things Fragile :-) From martin at dsres.com Mon May 8 13:33:11 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:33:11 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] I'm the proverbial Bull in a China Sparc Station Message-ID: Kirwan Marty wrote: > Not really paying attention to what I was > doing I removed the card and heard a noise that shouldn't have been there. > This Ram expansion card had a cellophane-like ribbon cable attached that > connected the side of the card to an 8-pin connector on the motherboard > next to the power supply. The ribbon has a number on it, 530-1814-02. > In finer print is another number 270-182902 REV 01. Does anyone have any > idea where I might find a new cable? You won't be able to find another cable, unless you can find someone with a broken board and an intact cable. SS2 memory boards are so old now that you probably can't even get the part from Sun. If there are only eight wires, maybe you could solder a bit of normal 8-core ribbon onto the board. It's useless with the cable damaged, so you've got nothing to lose. --m From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 8 15:02:57 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] IBM 7011 Powerstation 220 Message-ID: > I've done some Usenet searching, but my findings have been inconclusive. . > . does this use PS/2 keyboards and mice, or do I need some IBM specific > thing? A PS/2 keyboard will work with it, but won't correctly allow keyboard remapping for an install, from what I know, although others think it will work fine. The RS6000 keyboard is a little different from the standard PS/2 keyboard. Once it is up and running, the PS/2 keyboard seems to work fine. I have used both, but only could install off the real RS6000 keyboard, which has a speaker in the underside. The PS/2 keyboard I could not get to remap into RS6000 mode. > Also, the MicroChannel video card in the thing has 3 outputs- RGB with no > separate sync. I have an IBM monitor that came with my RT/11 that has RGB > inputs (model 5081, if I remember) but firing up the 220 produces only 1-2 > flashes on the screen- otherwise it stays black. What type of monitor can I > use? There are some jumpers on the internal video card (you have one behind the HD, plus a mca video card?????). The standard video card has a jumper that needs to be set for the scan rate/monitor used. I don't remember offhand how that is set, but I could open mine up and see. I don't offhand know anything about mca video boards in the beast. Use the vga monitor output on the video card behind the hd, if you have it, and you will better mileage. If you don't have that board, I dunno what to tell you to get the mca one up. > The machine appears to run, FWIW, and I'll probably put together a cable for > a serial console and go from there, but pointers to the above and perhaps a > source for the proper AIX would be appreciated. I do have the key. The key is good, and if you can boot it in service mode, single user, you can probably change the root passwd to suit. Otherwise some boot floppies will be needed in service mode to do that. Note how far it gets in the number on the idiot panel behind the floppy cover. There is a whole series of boot/test/etc numbers it goes through to boot. The led codes can be useful to tell you exactly where it is at in booting, and if any problems occur. AIX loads from tape or cd, although the only one I have is an early 3.1 tape. Supposedly some 4.x versions run on it, but there is a point at which those don't run on it. Pull the keyboard and monitor, and maybe also the video board, to get serial output forced, although if you have a keyboard and can get it up into monitor, you can change the output to go out the serial port, by just monitoring the led sequence and at some point keying some input. I forget the details of doing that though, since any vga monitor will work with it if the jumper is set correctly on the video board. Offhand, I dunno what your mca video board is for. I have not seen them in any of the dozen or so machines I have scrapped from surplus, to make one good box. AIX 3.2.5 is supposed to work best on it, with y2k patches available from IBM, somewhere. The IBM folks said 4.3.x would run on it, but I don't think they know what they are talking about on the 7011. One internal IBM person said that a 7011 would barely run a stripped down 4.3.3. Others have told me that video support for the 7011 was dropped from 4.3.2 and up, or somewhere around that numbering. Caveat.... and good luck..... That is all I can remember, offhand. Bob From wlewis at mailbag.com Mon May 8 16:12:34 2000 From: wlewis at mailbag.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:12:34 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB for my 3/80 Message-ID: In my continuing quest to put my 3/80 back in service I find I'm looking for a few things. If anyone has any of these things, please let me know. 1) Floppy drive bracket (which brings up the question, will a PC floppy work? Or do I need a special one for a Sun? ) 2) Bracket for a second internal hard drive. 3) Type 4 optical mouse pad 4) CDROM with 4.1.1 for Sun3x? (Did they make any? Would someone be willing to burn me one if I cover the costs?) 5) Lastly, I'm looking for someone who would burn me a 3.0.3 prom for the 3/80. I have some 4mb SIMMs that I'd like to be able to use in this machine, and the prom currently in it (2.9.2 IIRC) can't deal with them. I don't know the proper prom chip to buy, so if someone could tell me that information I'd be grateful. Thanks in advance, William -- Live without fear; your Creator loves you | William Barnett-Lewis as a mother. Go in peace to follow the good | mailto://wlewis at mailbag.com road and may God's blessing be with | you always. | St. Claire | From jg at FALSE.NET Mon May 8 20:31:28 2000 From: jg at FALSE.NET (josh grubman) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] working next system for sale/trade in the dc area Message-ID: a friend of mine is selling/trading the following system: nextstation turbo color (33 mhz '040) 16 megs ram, ~400 meg internal narrow scsi disk 17" fimi display soundbox, non-adb keyboard & mouse nextstep 3.3 is loaded, but i'm certain you'll want to reinstall. the system was in use for approximately two years and it's in need of a fresh installation. everything works and is nice to look at. contact nikki at false.net if interested. you'll need to come pick the machine up. -josh --- if you don't ask, i won't upset you. punkrock.net * sarcastic.net * false.net From tom at yarrish.com Mon May 8 21:31:03 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:31:03 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: --=====_9578394636334=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings all, I've inherited a Sparcstation IPX, and I want to install the SPARC version= of Debian (2.1) on it. This is partially due to the fact that the person= I received it from has no idea what the root password is, and when I boot= up the system, it won't mount any drives (I haven't looked into that part= yet). One thing I was wondering is if the order of the devices in the SCSI chain= matters. Here are the devices I have: Main unit with a floppy drive (I'm assuming an internal hard drive as well)= Second external hard drive SCSI ID 2 External CDROM drive with caddy SCSI ID 3 External Tape Drive (not hooked up yet) SCSI ID 4 A unit that looks like a tape drive without the drive door SCSI ID 5 Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen: Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 File and args: Illegal Instruction Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode) > (so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt) Then I get: Rebooting with command: oot cdrom Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 Boot: oot Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2) copen: bad vn_open boot failed root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 Boot: I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device. If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Tom --=====_9578394636334=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings all,
I've inherited a Sparcstation IPX, and I want to install the SPARC version of Debian (2.1) on it.  This is partially due to the fact that the person I received it from has no idea what the root password is, and when I boot up the system, it won't mount any drives (I haven't looked into that part yet).
One thing I was wondering is if the order of the devices in the SCSI chain matters.  Here are the devices I have:
 
Main unit with a floppy drive (I'm assuming an internal hard drive as well)
Second external hard drive SCSI ID 2
External CDROM drive with caddy SCSI ID 3
External Tape Drive (not hooked up yet) SCSI ID 4
A unit that looks like a tape drive without the drive door SCSI ID 5
 
Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen:
Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0    File and args:
Illegal Instruction
Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode)
>
(so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt)
 
Then I get:
Rebooting with command: oot cdrom
Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0    fstype 4.2
root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0    fstype 4.2
Boot: oot
Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2)
copen: bad vn_open
boot failed
root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0    fstype 4.2
Boot:
I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device.
 
If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it.
 
Thanks,
Tom
 
--=====_9578394636334=_-- From driley at kconline.com Mon May 8 22:03:46 2000 From: driley at kconline.com (Dale Riley) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:03:46 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff Message-ID: Hi, I hope this isn't spam... I've got an SS2 that is non working (no video card), it has 64meg ram and a 19" monitor. I picked it up with several others. Now I have to move 2000 miles and I dont want to drag it along. does anyone want it? free. I also have a 8 gig raid tower ((4) 2 gig drives) and a couple spare 2 gig drives not in a case. I'f I cant give this stuff away it goes out with the trash. All I ask is that you pick up the actual cost of shipping (however you want it shipped). I realize that this stuff may not be worth the cost of shipping but if anyone wants it........................ Dale From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 8 22:23:34 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:23:34 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Please don't send HTML email, some mail clients don't like it, and it takes up far more space than is worthwhile in my mailbox. :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Yarrish [mailto:tom at yarrish.com] > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 7:31 PM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX > > Greetings all, > I've inherited a Sparcstation IPX, and I want to install the > SPARC version of Debian (2.1) on it. This is partially due > to the fact that the person I received it from has no idea > what the root password is, and when I boot up the system, it > won't mount any drives (I haven't looked into that part yet). > One thing I was wondering is if the order of the devices in > the SCSI chain matters. Here are the devices I have: > > Main unit with a floppy drive (I'm assuming an internal hard > drive as well) > Second external hard drive SCSI ID 2 That's as good a place as any. > External CDROM drive with caddy SCSI ID 3 That's not a good place for it. The internal disk on this machine is probably either ID 1 or ID 3, I can't remember what the "default" was. The "default" ID for CDROM drives is 6. This is important, because that's where it expects to find the CDROM drive when it's going to boot. > External Tape Drive (not hooked up yet) SCSI ID 4 I think this is the default, but I don't have any tape drives, so who knows. :) > A unit that looks like a tape drive without the drive door SCSI ID 5 This could be another external HD, I'm not sure. Check the case for identifying marks, or try to open it up. If it's a 411 case, look at the archives for this list for instructions. > Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen: > Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 File and args: > Illegal Instruction That says (to me, anyway) that it's trying to boot from SCSI ID 3, with no parameters passed to the kernel, and it's failing. Uh, not sure what Illegal Instruction means. It could be a problem with 2 disks thinking that they're both ID3. > Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode) > > > (so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt) That won't help, because you're in the "old" command mode. The syntax for the old mode is more like b (0,6,0) to point it to SCSI ID 6 (that syntax may be wrong, check the SHR on www.sunhelp.org). Try typing n and then boot cdrom, once you've moved the CD to ID 6. I suppose that you could try it with the CD where it is now, but I doubt that they previous owner knew enough to change the name "cdrom" to point to ID 3 instead of 6. > > Then I get: > Rebooting with command: oot cdrom > Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > Boot: oot > Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2) > copen: bad vn_open > boot failed > root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > Boot: > I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device. > > If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it. I think it's just mad because you're not giving it commands that it understands. Try going into the new command mode, and then try 'ok boot cdrom' again. Later, Grego From liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Mon May 8 23:32:26 2000 From: liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Liam Stewart) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > Any Sun Type 4/5/6 keyboard will work with the SLC just fine; all you need > for a complete system is to plug in external SCSI HD and CD-ROM. The SLC > is basically a SPARCstation 1+. Thanks, Bill. This is the excuse I need to get a Type 6 keyboard :) I've been wanting on for my PC, but haven't found a completely working adapter as of yet. I've just found a guide on setting up SPARCs as Xterminals. I'll give that a shot and see what I can do. I might grab the 3/50's external SCSI HD later on and give a Linux install a try, but an Xterminal might be fine based on the specs that I've seen of the SLC. Liam -- Liam Stewart E-Mail: liam at ualberta.ca Web: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~liam Forty-two -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy" From liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Mon May 8 23:33:25 2000 From: liam at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Liam Stewart) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 3/50 and SLC Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Maarten Deen wrote: > Sun 3 ethernet is very poor at best. Packet loss probably is not good even > by sun3 standards, but otherwise, expet 300kB/sec at maximum. > > Have you tried to hook it up to thinwire using the BNC connector? Nope, not yet. I'll try that as soon as I can find one. I never thought of trying the other connector. Silly me. Thanks :) Liam -- Liam Stewart E-Mail: liam at ualberta.ca Web: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~liam Forty-two -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy" From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 8 23:54:21 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:54:21 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Move the CD-ROM to SCSI ID 6 (standard for a Sun cdrom) and then try "boot sd(0,6,2)" instead of "boot cdrom" - you've got an old openboot ROM. Bill On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:31:03PM -0500, Tom Yarrish wrote: > Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen: > Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 File and args: > Illegal Instruction > Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode) > > > (so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt) > Then I get: > Rebooting with command: oot cdrom > Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > Boot: oot > Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2) > copen: bad vn_open > boot failed > root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 > Boot: > I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device. > If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it. > Thanks, > Tom -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From twmaster at earthlink.net Tue May 9 01:10:18 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 02:10:18 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Drive problem with SS20 Message-ID: Hi all, I just put a new PROM in an SS20 to upgrade to SM-71's, after restarting the machine it says bad boot block.... Anyway it won't boot, so I tried to re-install the OS, that blew up! AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! (this machine is pissing me off!!!) SO next I tried to check the disk over by using the tools in format, no dice! Did something get broken in the OBP? or did I just happen to hit that lucky moment when my disk went to byte heaven? Enquiring minds really wanna know! Mike "I don't need this today" N From hyena at interport.net Tue May 9 04:52:09 2000 From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 02:52:09 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: Can anyone figure out if this is the final version of SunOS or just one close to the final one? (I remember that there were a LOT of 4.1.X SunOSs) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322990230 Thanks, Chris From james at foonly.com Tue May 9 02:01:36 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2000, Chris Drelich wrote: > Can anyone figure out if this is the final version of SunOS or just one close > to the final one? (I remember that there were a LOT of 4.1.X SunOSs) > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322990230 > Thanks, > Chris Solaris 1.1 = SunOS 4.1.3A. The latest (4.1.4) would be Solaris 1.1.2. SunOS 4 for sun3 has been made freely downloadable, maybe someone at Sun would be open to the same for Sparc? -James From P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk Tue May 9 03:08:44 2000 From: P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.Osborne) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:08:44 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:52:09AM -0700, Chris Drelich wrote: > Can anyone figure out if this is the final version of SunOS or just one close > to the final one? (I remember that there were a LOT of 4.1.X SunOSs) > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322990230 > Thanks, > Chris The last release of that generation for Sparc that I have in my media cupboard is: 4.1.3u1 which apparently is Y2K upgradable. --Paul From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 9 05:38:39 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 06:38:39 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Free 64mb RAM for U5/10 Message-ID: I have a question about U5/10 RAM - I thought I saw somewhere that it was "optimal" to have 4 of the same size SDIMMs installed, i.e. 4x32 Meg, 4x64 Meg, because that allows the hardware to map the RAM in a particularly speedy way. Is this true? COuld anyone provide a better explaination than that? On a related topic - I guess I will be getting the Ultra 5 from Sun, since I just "won" a $200 (incl. S/H) SunPCi card (K6-2/400 w/64 Meg RAM) at one of Sun's auction partners ( http://www.teksell.com ). That seemed a good deal to me. Thanks for any advice, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > Due to circumstances, I'll have 64mb (2 x 32mb) of RAM for an Ultra 5/10 > available soon.. I'm in a generous mood, so if you've got an U5/10, need > RAM, and have a good reason why I should give it to YOU instead of someone > else, let me know. 8-) From jon at jonworld.com Tue May 9 05:55:58 2000 From: jon at jonworld.com (Jonathan Katz) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Free 64mb RAM for U5/10 Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: :I have a question about U5/10 RAM - I thought I saw somewhere that it was :"optimal" to have 4 of the same size SDIMMs installed, i.e. 4x32 Meg, 4x64 Meg, :because that allows the hardware to map the RAM in a particularly speedy way. :Is this true? COuld anyone provide a better explaination than that? The term is called 'interleaving' and the more consistant you have the RAM the better. I don't know about the desktops, but that 4 sounds right. That would allow for 'one-way' interleaving-- interleaving on a single bank. On servers (e3k and up) you do 8 or 16 chips on a processor/IO board at the same time and make sure you have the same amount (of the same type) of RAM on the other IO/processor boards. That allows for interleaving between the boards which can make things speedy. On the E450s there are 4 banks for 4 chips each. You can do 2-way or 4-way interleaving-- 4 way is when all 4 banks are interleaved and 2-way is when one of the two banks is interleaved. I hope that helps! -- -Jon Jonathan Katz = J. Random BOFH = http://jonworld.com = jon at jonworld.com Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347 "I ... scaled these city walls only to be with you, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for." -- Bono From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Tue May 9 06:55:23 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:55:23 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Free 64mb RAM for U5/10 Message-ID: Thanks - that helps me understand the issues involved. I assume that by having one-way interleaving my (anticipated) U5 would perform better than a simialry equipped system with, say, two-way interleaving (two dis-similar banks of RAM, say 2x64 Meg and 2x32 Meg), right? The system I will be getting will have 2x64 Meg RAM, and while more RAM would be nice (like the RAM Bill is making available), I suspect that I would soon want 256 Meg RAM, then I would find myself in the same position Bill is is, 2x32 Meg sitting on the shelf idle. That is not to say I wouldn't be interested in Bill's 2x32 Meg RAM for U5/10s if he were to offer them (I'd pay shipping + a couple DVDs from your wishlist), of course... But if I am going to pay retail for my own RAM, I'd prefer to go for optimal speed w 4x64 Meg RAM. Bill - is the RAM still available? Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net (aka khansen at njcc.com) Jonathan Katz wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > :I have a question about U5/10 RAM - I thought I saw somewhere that it was > :"optimal" to have 4 of the same size SDIMMs installed, i.e. 4x32 Meg, 4x64 Meg, > :because that allows the hardware to map the RAM in a particularly speedy way. > :Is this true? COuld anyone provide a better explaination than that? > > The term is called 'interleaving' and the more consistant you have the RAM > the better. > > I don't know about the desktops, but that 4 sounds right. That would allow > for 'one-way' interleaving-- interleaving on a single bank. On servers (e3k > and up) you do 8 or 16 chips on a processor/IO board at the same time > and make sure you have the same amount (of the same type) of RAM on the > other IO/processor boards. That allows for interleaving between the boards > which can make things speedy. From Ed.Mitchell at centigram.com Tue May 9 08:37:23 2000 From: Ed.Mitchell at centigram.com (Ed.Mitchell at centigram.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:37:23 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff Message-ID: Hey d00d... Where ya at? If it's feasible, I'd rescue all of it, minus the monitor...one more of those and the wife officially disowns me! Ed From: Dale Riley on 05/09/2000 03:03 AM GMT Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org To: sparc-list at redhat.com, rescue at sunhelp.org, packrats at sunhelp.org cc: (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram) Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff Hi, I hope this isn't spam... I've got an SS2 that is non working (no video card), it has 64meg ram and a 19" monitor. I picked it up with several others. Now I have to move 2000 miles and I dont want to drag it along. does anyone want it? free. I also have a 8 gig raid tower ((4) 2 gig drives) and a couple spare 2 gig drives not in a case. I'f I cant give this stuff away it goes out with the trash. All I ask is that you pick up the actual cost of shipping (however you want it shipped). I realize that this stuff may not be worth the cost of shipping but if anyone wants it........................ Dale _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From tom at yarrish.com Tue May 9 08:38:12 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:38:12 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Sorry about the HTML, the windows client I was using had it turned on when I thought it was turned off. Thanks for the help, Tom (P.S. - THIS client shouldn't send HTML) -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Leblanc To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org' Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: RE: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX >Please don't send HTML email, some mail clients don't like it, and it takes >up far more space than is worthwhile in my mailbox. :-) From mcguire at neurotica.com Tue May 9 14:18:20 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: On May 9, James Lockwood wrote: > Solaris 1.1 = SunOS 4.1.3A. The latest (4.1.4) would be Solaris 1.1.2. > SunOS 4 for sun3 has been made freely downloadable, maybe someone at Sun > would be open to the same for Sparc? Doubtful, at least not anytime soon...there are far too many people still running it commercially for sun to consider it "dead", regardless of how much they'd like to. -Dave McGuire From james at foonly.com Tue May 9 14:45:20 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2000, Dave McGuire wrote: > On May 9, James Lockwood wrote: > > Solaris 1.1 = SunOS 4.1.3A. The latest (4.1.4) would be Solaris 1.1.2. > > SunOS 4 for sun3 has been made freely downloadable, maybe someone at Sun > > would be open to the same for Sparc? > > Doubtful, at least not anytime soon...there are far too many people > still running it commercially for sun to consider it "dead", > regardless of how much they'd like to. Sun already considers it "dead" for the most part, the only patches that are being made available for it are for show-stopping problems. The same treatment that is being given to Solaris 2 license-wise would be welcome. They're not making any money off of new software sales, you can't even buy SunOS 4 from Sun. Online:Disksuite would also be extremely useful, the 2GB partition limit gets old fast. -James From martin at dsres.com Tue May 9 15:29:49 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:29:49 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: James Lockwood wrote: > Sun already considers it "dead" for the most part, the only patches that > are being made available for it are for show-stopping problems. The same > treatment that is being given to Solaris 2 license-wise would be welcome. > They're not making any money off of new software sales, you can't even buy > SunOS 4 from Sun. I'd also like them to do a similar thing for 2.5.1. It just seems so much more solid than any more recent version (only just ordered 8, though). Mind you, the full set of patches would be several CDs in their own right... What would be the best, though, would be for them to do what DEC did with Ultrix, and release the full source for SunOS 4 to the Unix Preservation Society, so anyone with a 32V source licence could get source. I'm not sure how much of the 10th Edition/SysV stuff in SunOS 4 was done by Sun, though. If that was AT&T's, then there would be problems. Has anyone ever asked them about things like this? Does anyone have any useful contacts? --m From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Tue May 9 18:18:58 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:18:58 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the Sun 2 article? -- Paul Khoury Tech Support pkhoury3 at earthlink.net From martin at dsres.com Tue May 9 19:12:37 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:12:37 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > Sun 2 article? Works fine for me. --m From tom at yarrish.com Tue May 9 20:21:01 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:21:01 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: (Hopefully the HTML will be turned off this time) Okay, I've switched the SCSI ID of the CDROM to 6, and the machine boots up to a different prompt. During the startup it tries to mount /dev/sd3gon /usr, but errors out with a No such device or address. Then it says fsck: No such file or directory - Unknown error in reboot fsck. Then I get a big warning message about how the file systems have not been remounted read/write and I have to run fsck and then boot into single user mode. Then I get a # prompt, in which I can basically do nothing. Now there's nothing on this system I need to keep, I'm going to wipe out the drives anyway, but I want to boot of the CDROM to install Debian. It looks like it sees all the devices I have connected (I'm assuming that esp0 refers to external scsi peripheral or something). Again I'd appreciate any help. Thanks ahead of time, Tom *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/8/2000 at 11:54 PM Bill Bradford wrote: >Move the CD-ROM to SCSI ID 6 (standard for a Sun cdrom) and then >try "boot sd(0,6,2)" instead of "boot cdrom" - you've got an old >openboot ROM. > >Bill > >On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:31:03PM -0500, Tom Yarrish wrote: >> Essentially, this is the message I get on the screen: >> Boot Device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 File and args: >> Illegal Instruction >> Type b(boot), c(continue), or n(new command mode) >> > >> (so I type "boot cdrom" at the prompt) >> Then I get: >> Rebooting with command: oot cdrom >> Boot device: /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 >> root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 >> Boot: oot >> Boot: lookuppn failed: No such file or directory (errno 2) >> copen: bad vn_open >> boot failed >> root on /sbus/esp at 0, 800000/sde at 3,0 fstype 4.2 >> Boot: >> I do have the SCSI chain terminated on the SCSI ID 5 device. >> If anyone could provide some assistance I would really appreciate it. >> Thanks, >> Tom > >-- >+--------------------+-------------------+ >| Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | >+--------------------+-------------------+ >| mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | >+--------------------+-------------------+ >_______________________________________________ >Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From martin at dsres.com Tue May 9 20:59:10 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:59:10 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Tom Yarrish wrote: > Okay, I've switched the SCSI ID of the CDROM to 6, and the machine > boots up to a different prompt. With `b' or with `b sd(0,6,2)' ? > During the startup it tries to mount /dev/sd3gon /usr, but errors out > with a No such device or address. Sounds like you're booting off the hard disk, but it was originally configured with external disks as well, which are either missing or have the wrong SCSI IDs. If you're going to wipe everything, don't worry about this. > Then it says fsck: No such file or directory - Unknown error in reboot > fsck. Then I get a big warning message about how the file systems have > not been remounted read/write and I have to run fsck and then boot into > single user mode. Then I get a # prompt, in which I can basically do > nothing. This is all just it booting into SunOS, but with important disks missing (because they were originally external or suchlike). > Now there's nothing on this system I need to keep, I'm going to wipe > out the drives anyway, but I want to boot of the CDROM to install Debian. > It looks like it sees all the devices I have connected (I'm assuming that > esp0 refers to external scsi peripheral or something). esp0 is the first SCSI controller. If you want to see if it's found all the devices, get it to the `b for boot, ...' prompt, and type `n'. That will get you to an `ok' prompt. Then type `probe-scsi-all', which will print out a list of all the SCSI devices found. >From the `ok' prompt you may find that `boot cdrom' will work. Otherwise, do a `b sd(0,6,2)' from the `b for boot, ...' prompt, as Bill suggested. --m From tom at yarrish.com Tue May 9 21:31:58 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:31:58 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Okay, so the question becomes, how do I get it to that prompt where I can type "b". If I do it at the # prompt, I get a b: not found. Basically right now it's not booting the same as before. I'm guessing if I put the SCSI ID for the CDROM back to 3, I'll get the prompt I want, but if the SCSI ID should be on 6, then it seems like that point is moot. Thanks again, Tom *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/10/00 at 2:59 AM Martin Frost wrote: >Tom Yarrish wrote: > >> Okay, I've switched the SCSI ID of the CDROM to 6, and the machine >> boots up to a different prompt. > >With `b' or with `b sd(0,6,2)' ? > >> During the startup it tries to mount /dev/sd3gon /usr, but errors out >> with a No such device or address. > >Sounds like you're booting off the hard disk, but it was originally >configured with external disks as well, which are either missing or >have the wrong SCSI IDs. If you're going to wipe everything, don't >worry about this. > >> Then it says fsck: No such file or directory - Unknown error in reboot >> fsck. Then I get a big warning message about how the file systems have >> not been remounted read/write and I have to run fsck and then boot into >> single user mode. Then I get a # prompt, in which I can basically do >> nothing. > >This is all just it booting into SunOS, but with important disks missing >(because they were originally external or suchlike). > >> Now there's nothing on this system I need to keep, I'm going to wipe >> out the drives anyway, but I want to boot of the CDROM to install Debian. >> It looks like it sees all the devices I have connected (I'm assuming that >> esp0 refers to external scsi peripheral or something). > >esp0 is the first SCSI controller. > >If you want to see if it's found all the devices, get it to the >`b for boot, ...' prompt, and type `n'. That will get you to an >`ok' prompt. Then type `probe-scsi-all', which will print out >a list of all the SCSI devices found. > >>From the `ok' prompt you may find that `boot cdrom' will work. >Otherwise, do a `b sd(0,6,2)' from the `b for boot, ...' prompt, >as Bill suggested. > >--m >_______________________________________________ >Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From martin at dsres.com Tue May 9 21:43:09 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:43:09 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: Tom Yarrish wrote: > Okay, so the question becomes, how do I get it to that prompt where I > can type "b". If you're using it with a real keyboard and monitor, type L1-A. (The L1 key may be labelled `Stop' if you have a recent keyboard.) If you're using a serial console, send it a break. (Consult your terminal or terminal emulator's documentation.) You can do this at any point, unless the machine has crashed very hard (rare). In general, it's not a good idea to do it when the OS is running, but since the worst that can happen is that you lose data from the disks, and you're going to wipe them anyway, just do it. ;) It also goes to that prompt if there is a complete failure to boot the kernel, which is why you saw it before. --m From tom at yarrish.com Tue May 9 22:08:58 2000 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 22:08:58 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Booting from CDROM on a Sparcstation IPX Message-ID: To all who helped, Thanks a lot, I got the CD booting and I'm running the Debian install now. Again I appreciate the help. Thanks, Tom *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/10/00 at 3:43 AM Martin Frost wrote: >Tom Yarrish wrote: > >> Okay, so the question becomes, how do I get it to that prompt where I >> can type "b". > >If you're using it with a real keyboard and monitor, type L1-A. >(The L1 key may be labelled `Stop' if you have a recent keyboard.) > >If you're using a serial console, send it a break. (Consult your >terminal or terminal emulator's documentation.) > >You can do this at any point, unless the machine has crashed very >hard (rare). In general, it's not a good idea to do it when the OS >is running, but since the worst that can happen is that you lose >data from the disks, and you're going to wipe them anyway, just do it. ;) > >It also goes to that prompt if there is a complete failure to boot >the kernel, which is why you saw it before. > >--m >_______________________________________________ >Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From ido at physics.utexas.edu Tue May 9 23:47:35 2000 From: ido at physics.utexas.edu (Ido Dubrawsky) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:47:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] I'm the proverbial Bull in a China Sparc Station Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Martin Frost wrote: > Kirwan Marty wrote: > > > Not really paying attention to what I was > > doing I removed the card and heard a noise that shouldn't have been there. > > This Ram expansion card had a cellophane-like ribbon cable attached that > > connected the side of the card to an 8-pin connector on the motherboard > > next to the power supply. The ribbon has a number on it, 530-1814-02. > > In finer print is another number 270-182902 REV 01. Does anyone have any > > idea where I might find a new cable? > > You won't be able to find another cable, unless you can find someone > with a broken board and an intact cable. SS2 memory boards are so old > now that you probably can't even get the part from Sun. > > If there are only eight wires, maybe you could solder a bit of normal > 8-core ribbon onto the board. It's useless with the cable damaged, so > you've got nothing to lose. > The boards are very rare...I know of a guy here in Austin who has a bunch of them...his store is called Mr. Notebook and he's on 24th st...I think his web page is www.mrnotebook.com. Can't tell you more than that...when I got my 32MB card from him (about a year ago, I got it for ~$100...Rave Computer wanted like $300 for it...if they had it...and other resellers of old Suns were just as bad). I'd try soldering an 8-core ribbon cable onto the board first since, as mentioned above, you've got nothing to lose... Good Luck, Ido -- Ido Dubrawsky Team Lead, UNIX and Network Systems E-mail: ido at globeset.com Infrastructure Systems/Facilties Globeset.com Austin, TX From dbarile at interserv.com Wed May 10 00:37:44 2000 From: dbarile at interserv.com (Darryl Barile) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:37:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB Sparcstation 1 "foot" Message-ID: Hi!! I'm looking for the little purple foot (one of four) that attaches to the bottom back side of my Sun Sparc 1. I bought the machine without it and it looks so sad sitting there on three feet. Thanks Darryl From paul at atgi.net Wed May 10 01:27:14 2000 From: paul at atgi.net (Paul Theodoropoulos) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:27:14 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] /etc/path_to_inst Message-ID: I knew I had forgotten some details regarding /etc/path_to_inst WRT moving a boot disk from one architecture to another. Following is an old saved post, which covers what I left out. >From: Casper.Dik at Holland.Sun.Com (Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,aus.computers.sun,alt.sys.sun >Subject: Re: SS-LX to SS-20 upgrade - how to modify devices, etc. + Q on CPU's >Date: 1 Nov 1998 13:43:18 GMT >Organization: Sun Microsystems, Netherlands >Lines: 25 >Message-ID: >References: <71fb79$mgk$1 at lios.apana.org.au> ><71fkj3$mra$1 at lios.apana.org.au> >NNTP-Posting-Host: room101.holland.sun.com >Mail-Copies-To: never >Xref: news.ncal.verio.com comp.sys.sun.hardware:68612 >aus.computers.sun:4270 alt.sys.sun:13038 > >[[ PLEASE DON'T SEND ME EMAIL COPIES OF POSTINGS ]] > >cdewick at lios.apana.org.au (Craig Dewick) writes: > > >I know that I can do that with SunOS 4.x, however I'm running SunOS 5.6 (aka > >Solaris 2.6), so the problem is a more difficult one to solve. I know > >someone here in Sydney that has done it, but I can't for the life of me find > >where I saved her email about how to do it! > >The biggest problem is when you have / and /usr and/or /var split over >multiple >fielsystems. Singel user boot (w/ -r) will work, but you can't mount >any filesystems because the device tree is shot. You can't regenerate the >device tree unless you can mount /usr (and you may require /var also) > >echo '#path_to_inst_bootstrap_1" > /etc/path_to_inst > >followed by a "boot -r" may get you somewhere; >but if you can't mount /usr, you're toast. > >Casper >-- >Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related >to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. >Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may >be fiction rather than truth. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Theodoropoulos | paul at atgi.net | Senior Unix Systems Administrator Internet Services Div. | Advanced TelCom Group Inc. | Santa Rosa, CA US From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 10 01:55:44 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:55:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] WTB Sparcstation 1 "foot" Message-ID: Darryl Barile wrote: > Hi!! > > I'm looking for the little purple foot (one of four) that attaches to the > bottom > back side of my Sun Sparc 1. I bought the machine without it and it looks so > sad > sitting there on three feet. > > Thanks > Darryl > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue Which foot? I have one. Mik e N From pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk Wed May 10 04:40:55 2000 From: pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk (Peter Joules) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:40:55 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: At 01:12 10/05/2000 +0100, you wrote: >Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > Sun 2 article? > >Works fine for me. What Sun 2 article - am I missing something as I have a Sun 2. -- Regards Pete From brt at osk.sema.se Wed May 10 06:13:22 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:13:22 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Peter Joules wrote: > > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > > Sun 2 article? > > > >Works fine for me. > > What Sun 2 article - am I missing something as I have a Sun 2. Same here. For some reason that thread never arrived to me... (makes me wonder what else I've missed over the years) /Regards, Bjorn From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 10 07:17:04 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:17:04 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Read the new news announcements on the sunhelp.org page. 8-) I've got a scanned copy of a sun-2 review from '84. bill On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:13:22PM +0200, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote: > Peter Joules wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > > > Sun 2 article? > > > > > >Works fine for me. > > > > What Sun 2 article - am I missing something as I have a Sun 2. > > Same here. > For some reason that thread never arrived to me... > (makes me wonder what else I've missed over the years) > > /Regards, Bjorn > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Wed May 10 08:11:47 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: > Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > Sun 2 article? > > Works fine for me. Did I miss something? What article on Sun 2's? URL please? Thanks Bob From martin at dsres.com Wed May 10 08:18:32 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:18:32 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: BSD Bob wrote: > Did I miss something? What article on Sun 2's? URL please? http://www.sunhelp.org/archive/misc-info/sun2-review/ Fourth thing down on the SunHelp main page. --m From brt at osk.sema.se Wed May 10 08:23:19 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:23:19 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: Bill Bradford wrote: > > Read the new news announcements on the sunhelp.org page. 8-) I've got a > scanned copy of a sun-2 review from '84. I just looked at that one right now. Cool. :-) Although, that doesn't explain the fact that I got a reply from Peter Joules, regarding a message I haven't seen on the mailinglist. Is there mail that never arrive to the listmembers? Lost in bit-space? > On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:13:22PM +0200, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote: > > Peter Joules wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone else had any trouble viewing pages 90 and 91 of the > > > > > Sun 2 article? > > > > > > > >Works fine for me. > > > > > > What Sun 2 article - am I missing something as I have a Sun 2. > > > > Same here. > > For some reason that thread never arrived to me... > > (makes me wonder what else I've missed over the years) From pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk Wed May 10 08:47:41 2000 From: pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk (Peter Joules) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:47:41 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun 2 article Message-ID: At 07:17 10/05/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Read the new news announcements on the sunhelp.org page. 8-) I've got a >scanned copy of a sun-2 review from '84. Ah.. I suppose I should read the website more often instead of just the list(s) ;-). Sorry Bill. -- Regards Pete From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 10 09:21:06 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:21:06 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Disk caddies/disks for RSM214 sparcstorage array Message-ID: Anybody know where I can get disk caddies (or even possibly disk caddies w/1gig disks installed) for a Sun RSM214 disk array? Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 10 17:53:22 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:53:22 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Ultra 1/140 (the SUNHELP box!) Message-ID: Dont worry, SUNHELP isnt shutting down. 8-) However, I *am* upgrading to a newer, faster server (UltraSPARC IIi-based, 300mhz) from our current Ultra 1/140 system which was donated by Marathon International a year ago. I'm purchasing the new system from them, but I need to sell the U1/140 to help cover the costs of the new machine. So, here's the system config: UltraSPARC 1/140 128mb RAM 4.2gig SCSI disk (I forget if its a Seagate or what, it comes up in "format" as a SUN 4.2GIG) Plextor 12x SCSI tray-loading CD-ROM drive (to be installed) CG3 or CG6 (whichever I can find, to be installed) video card Type 5 keyboard and mechanical mouse, set This system has been the SunHELP.ORG web server for just about a year now, but its time to put something faster up. So, if you're interested in owning a "piece of history" (hey, who am I kidding..) let me know, and make a reasonable offer. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From paul at partitura.com Wed May 10 20:03:35 2000 From: paul at partitura.com (Paul Phillips) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:03:35 -0600 Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra memory Message-ID: Hi, Bill - Did I lose out on that Ultra 5 memory to some other worthy soul? Paul Phillips ___________________________________________________ Paul Phillips Director of Orchestral Activities, Meadows School of the Arts Southern Methodist University "You must sing every note you play, sing even through the rests!" Arturo Toscanini From drjolt at redbrick.dcu.ie Wed May 10 20:45:47 2000 From: drjolt at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:45:47 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS Message-ID: Quoting <3918753D.CBB97FA2 at dsres.com> by Martin Frost : > James Lockwood wrote: > > > Sun already considers it "dead" for the most part, the only patches that > > are being made available for it are for show-stopping problems. The same > > treatment that is being given to Solaris 2 license-wise would be welcome. > > They're not making any money off of new software sales, you can't even buy > > SunOS 4 from Sun. > > I'd also like them to do a similar thing for 2.5.1. It just seems so > much more solid than any more recent version (only just ordered 8, > though). Mind you, the full set of patches would be several CDs in > their own right... ...and besides, 2.5.1, like any other version of solaris, is only as good as your patch set - I can well remember panicing a 2.5.1 machine which was a fileserver for an entire building with the setup_install_server shell script (hsfs bug) 8) -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 10 20:52:31 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:52:31 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] IRIX 6.5 media Message-ID: Anybody have a set of IRIX 6.5 or 6.2 media they can copy for me? My 6.5 set got damaged 8-( Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Wed May 10 22:08:41 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:08:41 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Ultra 1/140 (the SUNHELP box!) Message-ID: Asking price? (he said, after buying a Sun PCi card for an Ultra5) Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Bill Bradford wrote: > Dont worry, SUNHELP isnt shutting down. 8-) > > However, I *am* upgrading to a newer, faster > server (UltraSPARC IIi-based, 300mhz) from our > current Ultra 1/140 system which was donated by > Marathon International a year ago. > > I'm purchasing the new system from them, but > I need to sell the U1/140 to help cover the costs > of the new machine. > > So, here's the system config: > > UltraSPARC 1/140 > 128mb RAM > 4.2gig SCSI disk (I forget if its a Seagate or what, it comes up in > "format" as a SUN 4.2GIG) > Plextor 12x SCSI tray-loading CD-ROM drive (to be installed) > CG3 or CG6 (whichever I can find, to be installed) video card > Type 5 keyboard and mechanical mouse, set > > This system has been the SunHELP.ORG web server for just about a > year now, but its time to put something faster up. So, if you're > interested in owning a "piece of history" (hey, who am I kidding..) > let me know, and make a reasonable offer. > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Thu May 11 03:11:23 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 01:11:23 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCstation 10/20 or Ultra? Message-ID: Since I just got my nice tax refund, I'm in the market now for a cheap ($1-$320) SS10/20. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was browsing on eBay, particulary for local sellers, but was wondering if anyone here had any suggestions? I'd probably want at least an SM51 and 64MB of RAM, and a framebuffer. Don't want any storage devices, keyboard/mouse, or monitor. And what are basic Ultra 1's going for now (besides the former sunhelp.org server)? Thanks, Paul From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 11 05:19:14 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 05:19:14 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Calling Reagen Ward Message-ID: Reagen - you out there? My mail to you has bounced lately. Give me a holler. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Thu May 11 10:31:40 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:31:40 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCstation 10/20 or Ultra? Message-ID: Paul Khoury wrote: > > Since I just got my nice tax refund, I'm in the market now for a cheap > ($1-$320) SS10/20. Does anyone have any suggestions? > I was browsing on eBay, particulary for local sellers, but was wondering > if anyone here had any suggestions? I'd probably want at least an > SM51 and 64MB of RAM, and a framebuffer. > Don't want any storage devices, keyboard/mouse, or monitor. > MemoryX is expensive (relatively) but they have good stuff. Everything is "a la carte" for SS20s at MemoryX, which may work out for your. If all you need is th abre unit and a processor, give them a look. Also check out the retailer's section on the sunhelp site - lots of good deals to be found there if you do some investigating. Kurt From bobk at sinister.com Thu May 11 10:49:46 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: I have an Integrix S20V SVGA card for Sbus that I would like to trade for a similar sun 13w3 card, or sell. Don't try to trade me cg3 or cg6 stuff, I've got enough of those already and know they suck ;) I am also in need of a case & power supply for a sparcstation 5. If anyone has one for sale/trade, let me know. bob keyes damned yankee http://subgenius.org From james at foonly.com Thu May 11 12:50:12 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2000, bobk wrote: > I have an Integrix S20V SVGA card for Sbus that I would like to trade for > a similar sun 13w3 card, or sell. Don't try to trade me cg3 or cg6 stuff, > I've got enough of those already and know they suck ;) >From what I remember, the S20V is an 8bpp unit of moderate speed. The TGX+ cg6 is the fastest sbus framebuffer ever produced, so I fail to see why the cg6 family would "suck". Support for 24-bpp sbus framebuffers is dismal, and most are quite slow. If 8bpp is acceptable then the cg6 is the way to go. -James From twmaster at earthlink.net Thu May 11 12:57:00 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:57:00 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCstation 10/20 or Ultra? Message-ID: I have 10/20's and ultra 1's in stock, what be your pleasure? Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt Huhn To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SPARCstation 10/20 or Ultra? > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > Since I just got my nice tax refund, I'm in the market now for a cheap > > ($1-$320) SS10/20. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > I was browsing on eBay, particulary for local sellers, but was wondering > > if anyone here had any suggestions? I'd probably want at least an > > SM51 and 64MB of RAM, and a framebuffer. > > Don't want any storage devices, keyboard/mouse, or monitor. > > > > > MemoryX is expensive (relatively) but they have good stuff. > Everything is "a la carte" for SS20s at MemoryX, which may work out > for your. If all you need is th abre unit and a processor, give them > a look. Also check out the retailer's section on the sunhelp site - > lots of good deals to be found there if you do some investigating. > > Kurt > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From twmaster at earthlink.net Thu May 11 13:23:44 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:23:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: > On Thu, 11 May 2000, bobk wrote: > I have an Integrix S20V SVGA card for Sbus that I would like to trade for > a similar sun 13w3 card, or sell. Don't try to trade me cg3 or cg6 stuff, > I've got enough of those already and know they suck ;) CG6's suck? The Integrix is nothing better than a fast CG6. If you can find someone to trade you a 24 bit framebuffer for that let me know I have some to trade too.... Mike N From bobk at sinister.com Thu May 11 14:58:02 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: OK folks, MEA CULPA: I had a bunch of email from people about my post, essentially saying I was on crack because I was saying the cg6 was crap when I didn't have anything better to trade with. Well, I had been told that the Integrix S20V was a 24 bit card! Some digging (no thanks to the manufacturer) indicated that it is only an 8 bit card. I had thought I could trade the S20V for a nice ZX. I guess that will be a bit hard. I'd just like to get something a little bit better than 8 bit graphics. Netscape looks like total crud in 8 bits. From erico at bendcable.com Thu May 11 15:22:51 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:22:51 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: Yeah, you might want a ZX, or if you have a SS5 I'd find an S24, those are good, but only work in the AFX? slot of a Sparc5. If you have a 10/20 you might shoot for SX graphics. All these options will give you 24 bit color, albeit slow. Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobk" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card > OK folks, MEA CULPA: > > I had a bunch of email from people about my post, essentially saying I was > on crack because I was saying the cg6 was crap when I didn't have anything > better to trade with. Well, I had been told that the Integrix S20V was a > 24 bit card! Some digging (no thanks to the manufacturer) indicated that > it is only an 8 bit card. > > I had thought I could trade the S20V for a nice ZX. I guess that will be a > bit hard. I'd just like to get something a little bit better than 8 bit > graphics. Netscape looks like total crud in 8 bits. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 11 16:30:43 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:30:43 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 03:58:02PM -0400, bobk wrote: > I had thought I could trade the S20V for a nice ZX. Wait a minute. Did you just use "nice" and "ZX" in the same sentence? ZX is only okay as a "if you absolutely POSITIVELY HAVE TO HAVE 24bit and dont care about speed" card.... its at least twice as slow as a S24/SX, and about 4-5x as slow as a cg6. When running in full TrueColor mode, you can watch your desktop redraw. Plus, no support after 2.6. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From james at foonly.com Thu May 11 17:10:54 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2000, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > Yeah, you might want a ZX, or if you have a SS5 I'd find an S24, those are > good, but > only work in the AFX? slot of a Sparc5. If you have a 10/20 you might shoot > for SX graphics. > > All these options will give you 24 bit color, albeit slow. Of those 3, the SX is easily the fastest. Next is the S24 and shortly behind is the ZX. My SS20/SX feels about 80% as fast as it did with a TGX. Not bad considering it's got 4 times as much data to push across the bus. I used to use a SS2/GT as an Xterminal, and with that you could watch the pixels being drawn on the screen. -James From randall at csonline.net Thu May 11 18:37:27 2000 From: randall at csonline.net (Eric Randall) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:37:27 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Anyone want a VME Memory Expansion Board out of a 690MP? Message-ID: I've got a Sun VME memory board number 501-1901. It has 64 30 pin slots and is double width. I don't know if it works or really how to test it. No simms are on it. It came out of a 690MP. I don't know its value but will trade for any number of Sun things. You can let me know what you think is fair. Some of the things I'm thinking of trading for are: - a 411 disk case (44 watt ps) full front, good working. - a ST12400N disk - good working. - a cg6(GX) sbus card, single slot (it can SUCK, but it has to work). - some Sun ball caps (you know, with suede-like bill and lettering that you can hardly read...cool). Or make some suggestions. Thanks. Eric Randall -- Nay, but the idea may be like the day which is one and the same in many places at once, and yet continuous with itself; in this way each idea may be one; and the same in all at the same time. -Socrates From scohen at acxiom.com Fri May 12 08:10:23 2000 From: scohen at acxiom.com (scohen - Stephen Cohen) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:10:23 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: Can anything be done to/for an IPX to enhance its graphics processing? It has an on-board CG6, I believe. I've run a very simple, seat-of-the-pants test on my IPX. For example, Netscape, when run with the display redirected over to my NT workstation (running exceed), is much faster. I understand that the CPU cycles to work the screens are the responsibility of the NT and that the NT, at 300Mhz, is far more powerful than my Weitek PowerUp 80Mhz IPX. But how much work is needed simply to manage a GUI? Regards, Steve From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Fri May 12 12:04:55 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:04:55 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: There *may* be something you can do... A few questions: What are you using built-in CG6 (assumed)? A TurboGX+ would be a faster add-in card, as it allows "double buffering" (I assume this means it shows one screen while drawing next). What OS are you using? Solaris can take advantage of built-in hardware acceleration, Linux can not - the same may be true for other *free* OSs. What hardware do you have - is RAM maxed out (64 Meg I think, without add-in RAM card)? Stock CPU? Old HD? Faster components areound the CPU will free the CPU to perform better, hopefully speeding up graphics. What other processes are running on this box - do they have to be runnig on this box? An IPX is much slower than a SCSI- based P75 PC running Linux or other Free *OS*, you should only run what is needed. A Weitek processor is nice, but it still performs I/O with the system at 40 Mhz, not 80 Mhz. CPU-bound code will be improved, but I/O-bound code will see minimal/no improvement in my opinion. And for most folks, the cost of a Weitek CPU is too high when compared with other SPARC systems. An upgrade to a Sun4M machine would probably be more beneficial (i.e. Axil 220, low-end SS/5, etc.). The Weitek processor you have is responsible for *everything* on the screen, while the WinNT box has an advanced set of drivers allowing it to off-load many graphic requests to the video card. What would it take to have SPARC Linux use hardware acceleration, like a TurboGX+ card? I would love to see that happen - is it just impossible (i.e. Sun won't release needed info), or not worth it (as in it would be a great effort to code for such a "classic" framebuffer)? HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net scohen - Stephen Cohen wrote: > Can anything be done to/for an IPX to enhance its graphics processing? It > has an on-board CG6, I believe. > > I've run a very simple, seat-of-the-pants test on my IPX. For example, > Netscape, when run with the display redirected over to my NT workstation > (running exceed), is much faster. I understand that the CPU cycles to work > the screens are the responsibility of the NT and that the NT, at 300Mhz, is > far more powerful than my Weitek PowerUp 80Mhz IPX. But how much work is > needed simply to manage a GUI? > > Regards, > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From james at foonly.com Fri May 12 12:36:58 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > What OS are you using? Solaris can take advantage of built-in > hardware acceleration, Linux can not - the same may be true > for other *free* OSs. This is not quite true. Graphics acceleration is a function of the X server, and the OG X11 cg6 drivers perform quite well. > What would it take to have SPARC Linux use hardware acceleration, > like a TurboGX+ card? I would love to see that happen - is it just > impossible (i.e. Sun won't release needed info), or not worth it (as in > it would be a great effort to code for such a "classic" framebuffer)? The cg6 had a very open spec and drivers for it have been in the mainstream X server for quite a long time. The extra acceleration features provided by the TGX+ are largely transparent and should kick in automatically. Many, many people were using MIT X11 under SunOS 4 with cg6 cards. It's cards with relatively small production runs (cg12, leo, etc) that are the real problem driver-wise. -James From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Fri May 12 14:53:43 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:53:43 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2000 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT), bobk wrote: > >I had thought I could trade the S20V for a nice ZX. I guess that will be a >bit hard. I'd just like to get something a little bit better than 8 bit >graphics. Netscape looks like total crud in 8 bits. > Unfortunately. And when Netscape actually runs for that matter. I'm using Outlook Express 5 for email on my SPARC, because I haven't had the time for the last month to configure another mail client, and Netscape is too buggy. Also, was support for the ZX stopped after 2.6, or maybe I'm thinking of something else? Is the ZX aka the Leo? Paul From mj at energetic.uct.ac.za Sat May 13 14:48:19 2000 From: mj at energetic.uct.ac.za (Michael-John Turner) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:48:19 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Tatung Mariner 4i Message-ID: Hi all I've just acquired an old Tatung Mariner 4i, a SPARC-based machine, and need a bit of help finding more info on it. It's rather odd in a number of ways: - kernel arch is mars4sprat (app arch is sun4) - it has an ISA Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller to which the boot disk (A FH Seagate) and PC-style 3.5" drive are connected - it uses a standard PC-style DIN keyboard connector (albeit with a custom Tatung keyboard with a Sun-style layout) - it has a PC-style large desktop case Inside, it has 8x30pin SIMM slots on the motherboard, 2 or 3 ISA slots (I'm not near the machine ATM so I can't confirm) and what I think are 2 SBus slots. There's what I think is a cgtwelve in one of those and a memory expansion board in the other (the latter has 16x30 pin SIMM slots, 8 of which are currently occupied). AFAICS, the only other ports are 2 serial and one for the optical mouse Here's the dmesg output: SunOS Release 4.1.2 (RolfKernel.v1.0) #2: Thu Jul 31 14:40:30 GMT+0200 1997 Copyright (c) 1990-1992, Tatung Company Portions Copyright (c) 1983-1990, Sun Microsystems, Inc. cpu = mariner4i mem = 16384K (0x1000000) avail mem = 13918208 Ethernet address = 0:80:3f:10:2:a5 aha0: Using default addr 0x330 aha0: atio8 0x82000330 pri 3 atirq 14 atdma 5 aha0: firmware revision A005 aha0 at atio8 0xffffffff scsibus0 at aha0 slave 56 sd0 at aha0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: fdc0 at atio8 0x820003f2 pri 2 atirq 6 fd0 at fdc0 slave 0 zs0 at obio 0x84400000 pri 6 atkbd0 at obio 0x82000060 pri 6 le0 at obio 0x85000000 pri 5 cgthree0 at vidmem 0x8e000000 pri 8 iostop0 at obmem 0x84c00000 pri 7 atirq 11 lkupbdev: returning 0 root on sd0a fstype 4.2 swap on sd0b fstype spec size 33390K dump on sd0b fstype spec size 33376K Has anyone ever seen one of these? Can they run standard SunOS 4.1.x? -mj -- Michael-John Turner | http://www.edr.uct.ac.za/~mj/ mj at debian.org | Open Source in WC ZA - http://www.clug.org.za/ mj at phantom.eri.uct.ac.za | GPG/PGP key via mail, WWW or finger @phantom From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat May 13 18:45:53 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:45:53 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN stuff (wireless) Message-ID: I just picked up two original Proxim RangeLAN/ISA cards and a still-new-in-box Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA card (complete with manual and drivers for win 3.1!). Anybody know if these are still of any use today? Would be nice if I would use them for Internet sharing (e.g., 486 laptop on the back porch connecting to a 486 gateway wiht a proxim card and a normal ethernet card, in here...etc) I can get 3-4 more of the ISA cards for RIDICULOUSLY low prices, btw. bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From shall1 at columbus.rr.com Sat May 13 20:08:17 2000 From: shall1 at columbus.rr.com (Sheldon T. Hall) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:08:17 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN stuff (wireless) Message-ID: On Saturday, May 13, 2000 7:45 PM, Bill Bradford wrote: > I just picked up two original Proxim RangeLAN/ISA cards and a still-new-in-box > Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA card (complete with manual and drivers for win 3.1!). > > Anybody know if these are still of any use today? Would be nice if I would > use them for Internet sharing (e.g., 486 laptop on the back porch connecting > to a 486 gateway wiht a proxim card and a normal ethernet card, in here...etc) > > I can get 3-4 more of the ISA cards for RIDICULOUSLY low prices, btw. I've never heard of those cards, but if they come with (or you can find) a "packet driver," you can use them with IPRoute, a clever DOS-based router/NAT thing that will run on a single-floppy '386 or better. -Shel From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Sat May 13 23:22:11 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:22:11 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN stuff (wireless) Message-ID: Bill Bradford wrote: > > I just picked up two original Proxim RangeLAN/ISA cards and a still-new-in-box > Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA card (complete with manual and drivers for win 3.1!). > > Anybody know if these are still of any use today? Would be nice if I would > use them for Internet sharing (e.g., 486 laptop on the back porch connecting > to a 486 gateway wiht a proxim card and a normal ethernet card, in here...etc) > > I can get 3-4 more of the ISA cards for RIDICULOUSLY low prices, btw. > > bill > >From what I know, these cards are not on the list of Windows95/98/NT hardware. However, since at least the PCMCIA card has Win3.1 drivers, they might just be. I'm fairly certain NT and Win95 won't support them, but Win98 might. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that other OSs won't support them. Kurt From mrbill at mrbill.net Sun May 14 19:30:15 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:30:15 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] [non-sun] need suggestions Message-ID: Okay, here's the situation. A few weeks back, I emailed for suggestions on how to hook up a DVD player that only had A/V direct out, to my TV that only had RF/Antenna in. Here's what I ended up doing: ----------- ___________ ___________________________ ________ |dvd player|-->--| RF |-->--|sat receiver|sat receiver|-->--|TV ANT| |A/V out | |modulator| |antenna in |RF out | | IN | ------------ ----------- --------------------------- -------- However, yesterday, I replaced the satelite receiver with a digital cable box. Digital cable box has A/V out, svideo out, dolby digital sound out, cable in, and RF/TV antenna out. I figure the easiest way to do this is to find a good A/V A/B switch that lets me pick between two A/V (composite plugs) sources, and hook the output of that to the RF modulator, which then goes to the TV antenna in. (run direct A/V out from both the dvd player and cable box). Any other suggestions, other than just dropping the $$$ on a TV with RF *and* A/V in? 8-) bill +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From dbarile at interserv.com Sun May 14 19:57:39 2000 From: dbarile at interserv.com (Darryl Barile) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:57:39 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] "Strange" video input card Message-ID: "Hi Again" I've come across a 'strange' (meaning I haven't seen it before) video input card out of a Sparc 5. It's part number is 501-2232. Its an Sbus card with two 'video in" port, and a single 'S-video in" port. There is also the label 'Sun Video" on the card along with a green led. Obviously this is a video capture card of some sort. A look through the FAQs and Sun docs makes some mention of the software and it's operation. However there isn't (or I haven't seen) a good concise description of the card's specs and capabilities. If any one could point me in the correct direction I'd appreciated it. I'd also appreciate any pointers to sites where I could search by part number. I've tried at Sun but I generally don't get any hits. I'm sure there is a place for this. Would the Field Engineer's CDROM be the place to find this?? Thanks Darryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Nicewonger To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] WTB Sparcstation 1 "foot" > Darryl Barile wrote: > > > Hi!! > > > > I'm looking for the little purple foot (one of four) that attaches to the > > bottom > > back side of my Sun Sparc 1. I bought the machine without it and it looks so > > sad > > sitting there on three feet. > > > > Thanks > > Darryl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > Which foot? > > I have one. > > Mik e N > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From jeisch at boku.net Sun May 14 19:50:55 2000 From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:50:55 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anyone need this? (for NT, yeah, I know.) Message-ID: Hi All, I have a copy of Intel LANDesk Manegement Suite 6.3 for NT and Netware. 10 node licenses. Still shrinkwraped. Someone can have it for the cost of shipping, but if you want to give me money or hardware for it, I'd be thrilled. Especially if you have any wide SCSI hard drives.... -Jonathan From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Mon May 15 00:38:59 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:38:59 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Termcap entries Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get termcap entries for Wyse 60, VT320, etc? Obviously, Solaris' termcap file is quite dated. Thanks, Paul -- Paul Khoury Tech Support pkhoury3 at earthlink.net From hyena at interport.net Mon May 15 05:02:23 2000 From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:02:23 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun Tapes Message-ID: Im not sure if this is useful to anyone or even legal to distribute, but I just recieved the following tape ... 1.3.1 Sun(tm) FORTRAN Sun-3(tm) Sun-4(tm) Sun386i(tm) SUNBIN 1/4" TAPE (tar format, QIC24), 1 of 1 Part Number: 700-2452-11 Rev. A Is it legal to copy this tape image and upload it like the other Sun3 stuff? Is it even useful to anyone? Chris From james at foonly.com Mon May 15 02:17:04 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Termcap entries Message-ID: On Sun, 14 May 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get termcap entries for Wyse 60, VT320, etc? > Obviously, Solaris' termcap file is quite dated. Solaris normally uses terminfo, termcap is only there for backwards compatibility. At least 15 different types of Wyse terminals have entries as well as countless variations. man terminfo for more details. Look in /usr/local/share/terminfo for the files. -James From pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk Mon May 15 05:40:28 2000 From: pjoules at coleg-powys.ac.uk (Peter Joules) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:40:28 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Sun Tapes Message-ID: At 03:02 15/05/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Im not sure if this is useful to anyone or even legal to distribute, but I >just >recieved the following tape ... > >1.3.1 Sun(tm) FORTRAN >Sun-3(tm) Sun-4(tm) Sun386i(tm) SUNBIN >1/4" TAPE (tar format, QIC24), 1 of 1 >Part Number: 700-2452-11 Rev. A Subject to the legalities of publishing it I would certainly be interested in downloading a copy. I have never used FORTRAN but it would be nice to play with it on my 386i. -- Regards Pete From james at foonly.com Mon May 15 05:59:19 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] "Strange" video input card Message-ID: On Sun, 14 May 2000, Darryl Barile wrote: > However there isn't (or I haven't seen) a good concise description of the > card's specs and > capabilities. NTSC or PAL, and it's reasonably fast. Actual frame capture rate will depend on how much CPU you have in your system. > I'd also appreciate any pointers to sites where I could search by part > number. I've tried at Sun but I > generally don't get any hits. I'm sure there is a place for this. Would the > Field Engineer's CDROM > be the place to find this?? One of many. A good way to start is simply to search for the p/n across the web (Altavista/Google/etc) and Dejanews, usually one of those resources will turn something up. -James From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 15 07:10:39 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:10:39 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: Good to hear - I remembered that the acceleration for SPARC framebuffers was poorly sipported, but now that I think about it, I have not looked into it for quite a while. I am happy to be corrected, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net James Lockwood wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > What OS are you using? Solaris can take advantage of built-in > > hardware acceleration, Linux can not - the same may be true > > for other *free* OSs. > > This is not quite true. Graphics acceleration is a function of the X > server, and the OG X11 cg6 drivers perform quite well. > > > What would it take to have SPARC Linux use hardware acceleration, > > like a TurboGX+ card? I would love to see that happen - is it just > > impossible (i.e. Sun won't release needed info), or not worth it (as in > > it would be a great effort to code for such a "classic" framebuffer)? > > The cg6 had a very open spec and drivers for it have been in the > mainstream X server for quite a long time. The extra acceleration > features provided by the TGX+ are largely transparent and should kick in > automatically. Many, many people were using MIT X11 under SunOS 4 with > cg6 cards. > > It's cards with relatively small production runs (cg12, leo, etc) that are > the real problem driver-wise. From n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net Mon May 15 07:17:16 2000 From: n2vip at impop.bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:17:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Tatung Mariner 4i Message-ID: What an odd and interesting box - ISA and SBUS on the same board!? Please let us know as you learn about your new box... (You may want to put together a simple page with whatever info you find and giving it to Bill, as he was talking about adding a Sun-compatible hardware page to SunHelp.org)... Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net Michael-John Turner wrote: > Hi all > > I've just acquired an old Tatung Mariner 4i, a SPARC-based machine, and > need a bit of help finding more info on it. It's rather odd in a number > of ways: > - kernel arch is mars4sprat (app arch is sun4) > - it has an ISA Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller to which the boot disk (A FH > Seagate) and PC-style 3.5" drive are connected > - it uses a standard PC-style DIN keyboard connector (albeit with a custom > Tatung keyboard with a Sun-style layout) > - it has a PC-style large desktop case > > Inside, it has 8x30pin SIMM slots on the motherboard, 2 or 3 ISA slots (I'm > not near the machine ATM so I can't confirm) and what I think are 2 SBus > slots. There's what I think is a cgtwelve in one of those and a memory > expansion board in the other (the latter has 16x30 pin SIMM slots, 8 of > which are currently occupied). AFAICS, the only other ports are 2 serial > and one for the optical mouse > > Here's the dmesg output: > > SunOS Release 4.1.2 (RolfKernel.v1.0) #2: Thu Jul 31 14:40:30 GMT+0200 1997 > Copyright (c) 1990-1992, Tatung Company > Portions Copyright (c) 1983-1990, Sun Microsystems, Inc. > cpu = mariner4i > mem = 16384K (0x1000000) > avail mem = 13918208 > Ethernet address = 0:80:3f:10:2:a5 > aha0: Using default addr 0x330 > aha0: atio8 0x82000330 pri 3 atirq 14 atdma 5 > aha0: firmware revision A005 > aha0 at atio8 0xffffffff > scsibus0 at aha0 slave 56 > sd0 at aha0 target 0 lun 0 > sd0: > fdc0 at atio8 0x820003f2 pri 2 atirq 6 > fd0 at fdc0 slave 0 > zs0 at obio 0x84400000 pri 6 > atkbd0 at obio 0x82000060 pri 6 > le0 at obio 0x85000000 pri 5 > cgthree0 at vidmem 0x8e000000 pri 8 > iostop0 at obmem 0x84c00000 pri 7 atirq 11 > lkupbdev: returning 0 > root on sd0a fstype 4.2 > swap on sd0b fstype spec size 33390K > dump on sd0b fstype spec size 33376K > > Has anyone ever seen one of these? Can they run standard SunOS 4.1.x? > > -mj > -- > Michael-John Turner | http://www.edr.uct.ac.za/~mj/ > mj at debian.org | Open Source in WC ZA - http://www.clug.org.za/ > mj at phantom.eri.uct.ac.za | GPG/PGP key via mail, WWW or finger @phantom > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From james at foonly.com Mon May 15 07:33:35 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 05:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] For trade/sale: sbus svga card Message-ID: On Mon, 15 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > Good to hear - I remembered that the acceleration for SPARC framebuffers > was poorly sipported, but now that I think about it, I have not looked into > it for quite a while. I am happy to be corrected, I suspect that what you've heard has been that Linux _console_ was/is lacking in accelerated support. The MIT X11 server contained accelerated cg6 code before Linux was ever released for x86, let alone for SPARC. -James From josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us Mon May 15 09:14:50 2000 From: josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us (Josh Kuperman) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:14:50 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] esp0: Gross error sreg=51 Message-ID: We received a donation of four Sparc 10s. I found two matching CPUs so I bought more memory and a 9G scsi drive and figured I'd make a really powerful server machine. I'm running Debian Linux and I am having some odd problems. Some may be with the Multiprocessor Kernel I don't really know how to tell. So I'm taking things one at a time. One problem I have repeatedly is "esp0: Gross error sreg=51", which I believe has something to do with the SCSI bus. I was told that this is most likely caused by a hardware problem, SCSI termination, improperly formatting the hard drive, improperly set jumpers on drive or mother board, and that this list was the best place to ask for help with such things. -- Josh Kuperman josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 15 09:58:02 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:58:02 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] esp0: Gross error sreg=51 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Kuperman [mailto:josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:15 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] esp0: Gross error sreg=51 > > We received a donation of four Sparc 10s. I found two matching CPUs so > I bought more memory and a 9G scsi drive and figured I'd make a really > powerful server machine. > > I'm running Debian Linux and I am having some odd problems. Some may > be with the Multiprocessor Kernel I don't really know how to tell. So > I'm taking things one at a time. One problem I have repeatedly is > "esp0: Gross error sreg=51", which I believe has something to do with > the SCSI bus. Yeah, esp0 is the first SCSI bus. How do you have the SCSI devices configured on this machine? Any external disks? Any internal disks? A cdrom? > I was told that this is most likely caused by a hardware problem, SCSI > termination, improperly formatting the hard drive, improperly set > jumpers on drive or mother board, and that this list was the best > place to ask for help with such things. Now who told you a silly thing like that? :-) Grego From pwz at pghfamily.net Mon May 15 12:40:48 2000 From: pwz at pghfamily.net (pwz ii) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:40:48 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Drivers for Tech Source SBus video card Message-ID: Picked up som parts and pieces over the week end. In the box was a Tech-Source SBus frame buffer. The model/serial numbe info is missing from the card based on the description of a switch for adjustable resolutions and the keyboard connection on the card, I'd say it was GXTRA card. Any Ideas where I can get drivers for this puppy ? Looks like you can set up an extra terminal off your sparc with it. Any info for it would be handy. Thanks pwz ii From drouse at arlington.newsargus.com Mon May 15 12:53:43 2000 From: drouse at arlington.newsargus.com (David Rouse) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Drivers for Tech Source SBus video card Message-ID: > Picked up som parts and pieces over the week end. > > In the box was a Tech-Source SBus frame buffer. > The model/serial numbe info is missing from the card > based on the description of a switch for adjustable resolutions > and the keyboard connection on the card, I'd say it was > GXTRA card. Any Ideas where I can get drivers for this > puppy ? Looks like you can set up an extra terminal > off your sparc with it. Any info for it would be handy. Try the web site: www.techsource.com. They were pretty helpful when I contacted them and I see a 'Download' section on the main page. -- David Rouse Network Manager Goldsboro News-Argus From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 15 13:37:24 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:37:24 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN wireless ethernet available Message-ID: I've got two original Proxim RangeLAN/ISA wireless ethernet cards as well as a new-in-box Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA card, available for sale/trade for anything nifty and electronic. I've got all the DOS/NDIS/ODI/Novell and Windows 3.x drivers for the cards; they *do not* work under Windows 95 and above. Contact me if interested. bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kris at hiwaay.net Mon May 15 13:46:04 2000 From: kris at hiwaay.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:46:04 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Stubborn Seagate 9.1gb Barracuda -- won't format. Help! Message-ID: Stefan Hames wrote: > > > > >If it's vibrating, it sounds likely to be a bad drive. > >Do you know what the ID is set to? > > > >Make sure it's not on ID 7. > > Hmmm. I thought that Sun SCA drives got their ID from the backplane > on SparcStation 5s. As far as I remember there are no jumpers > installed . I'm not at my office; I'll check when I go in. However, > it seems have an id of 3 set, which is as it should be for the first > drive on the backplane, I think. > > >Sounds like it's not initializing correctly, thus it's reporting it's not > >ready. IIRC, a Seagate Barricuda will refuse the format command unless it's SCSI ID has been set to zero. Something to thing about when setting up your servers.... root:barricuda: {9} camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass0,da0) at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass1,da1) at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass2,cd0) at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass3,cd1) at scbus0 target 8 lun 0 (pass4,da2) ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." From mj at energetic.uct.ac.za Mon May 15 14:11:19 2000 From: mj at energetic.uct.ac.za (Michael-John Turner) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:11:19 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Tatung Mariner 4i Message-ID: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:17:16AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > What an odd and interesting box - ISA and SBUS on the same board!? > > Please let us know as you learn about your new box... (You may want to > put together a simple page with whatever info you find and giving it to > Bill, as he was talking about adding a Sun-compatible hardware page to > SunHelp.org)... Yes, it is a _very_ odd machine. I'll borrow a digicam shortly and put some pics online so everyone can marvel in its weirdness :) -mj -- Michael-John Turner | http://www.edr.uct.ac.za/~mj/ mj at debian.org | Open Source in WC ZA - http://www.clug.org.za/ mj at phantom.eri.uct.ac.za | GPG/PGP key via mail, WWW or finger @phantom From josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us Mon May 15 14:26:16 2000 From: josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us (Josh Kuperman) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:26:16 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] esp0: Gross error sreg=51 Message-ID: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 07:58:02AM -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Josh Kuperman [mailto:josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us] > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:15 AM [snip] > > > > I'm running Debian Linux and I am having some odd problems. Some may > > be with the Multiprocessor Kernel I don't really know how to tell. So > > I'm taking things one at a time. One problem I have repeatedly is > > "esp0: Gross error sreg=51", which I believe has something to do with > > the SCSI bus. > > Yeah, esp0 is the first SCSI bus. How do you have the SCSI devices > configured on this machine? Any external disks? Any internal disks? A > cdrom? It is a Seagate ST39216N in the middle drive bay - drive bay 0. I left it as SCSI disk 0. All of the jumpers are as it came. After reading your response I thought perhaps my problem was the lack of a drive attached to the corner drive bay so I put one of the old ST1480N (I'm not sure of the actual number) drives that was originally in one of the machines in. Just in case that was needed for the drive to be properly terminated - of course it was set to be disk3 (or should I say target 3.) The only options that can be changed with jumpers that might be relevant are the target ID, single-ended only, or termination power. I don't think any of them should be needed on an SS10. (I could be wrong -- again.) The only truly odd thing I've noticed, other than the error is that from the OpenBoot program (i.e. after stop-a) when I type probe-scsi or probe-scsi-all the info for the Seagate ST39216N contains a form-feed that gets picked up so I can't see the output. Any other devices display normally. -- Josh Kuperman josh at saratoga.lib.ny.us From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 15 15:28:22 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:28:22 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Stubborn Seagate 9.1gb Barracuda -- won't format. Help! Message-ID: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:46:04PM -0500, Kris Kirby wrote: > IIRC, a Seagate Barricuda will refuse the format command unless it's > SCSI ID has been set to zero. Something to thing about when setting up > your servers.... > root:barricuda: {9} camcontrol devlist > at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass0,da0) > at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass1,da1) > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass2,cd0) > at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass3,cd1) > at scbus0 target 8 lun 0 (pass4,da2) You mean SCSI id, or LUN? I've never had a problem formatting a Barracuda drive at *any* SCSI ID.... (unless it conflicted with something already on the chain, of course). My kingdom, my kingdom, for some ST15150Ns... -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From kris at hiwaay.net Mon May 15 14:51:15 2000 From: kris at hiwaay.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:51:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Stubborn Seagate 9.1gb Barracuda -- won't format. Help! Message-ID: > You mean SCSI id, or LUN? I've never had a problem formatting a Barracuda > drive at *any* SCSI ID.... (unless it conflicted with something already on > the chain, of course). I mean ID, not lun. My example was to show that I have no devices on id 0. That's intentional. It would *really* suck to get rooted and have your hard drive formatted instead of rm -rf'd. > My kingdom, my kingdom, for some ST15150Ns... Yuck. I prefer ST34's. I live in the wrong part of the world to need heat. ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." From ankh at canuck.gen.nz Tue May 16 00:17:45 2000 From: ankh at canuck.gen.nz (J. S. Connell) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 01:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Proxim RangeLAN stuff (wireless) Message-ID: On Sat, 13 May 2000, Kurt Huhn wrote: > From what I know, these cards are not on the list of Windows95/98/NT > hardware. However, since at least the PCMCIA card has Win3.1 > drivers, they might just be. I'm fairly certain NT and Win95 won't > support them, but Win98 might. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that other > OSs won't support them. I've used them under both Windows 95 and Linux. An ISP I once worked for was attempting to use diskless Linux boxes as routers for a wireless network that never got off the ground, and I did all the Linux work. They're okay, but on the slow side - the WaveLAN is a much better choice. IIRC Proxim never officially released Linux drivers - they were done by a Proxim employee on his own time, and binary-only. Proxim themselves (of course) supplied drivers for various OSes with the cards. --Jeff From kurt at csh.rit.edu Tue May 16 14:08:43 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: I have permission to post this from my co-worker now.... :) www.teksell.com My co-worker just got an Ultra 2 w 2 300Mhz CPUs (4M cache) 256MB RAM, Creator 2D, 2G hard drive and a 21" inch color monitor for $3075 It's an auction type site... and apparently this Ultra 2 was new... I'm jealous of him, wish I had $3000 for an Ultra 2 :) --Kurt -- From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 16 14:28:09 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:28:09 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 03:08:43PM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > I have permission to post this from my co-worker now.... :) > www.teksell.com > My co-worker just got an Ultra 2 w 2 300Mhz CPUs (4M cache) > 256MB RAM, Creator 2D, 2G hard drive and a 21" inch color > monitor for $3075 > It's an auction type site... and apparently this Ultra 2 was new... > I'm jealous of him, wish I had $3000 for an Ultra 2 :) > --Kurt Sun is now auctioning off workstations on eBay and TekSell . . . Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 16 15:39:44 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] seagate 4.5gig SCA disks cheap Message-ID: www.scsistuff.com has Seagate ST15150WC - 4.5 gig Barracuda 1.6" high, 7200 rpm U/W for 59$ a couple ppl mentioned intrest in these. Anyone know of a nice case for 1.6inch sca drives? Nick From pwz at pghfamily.net Tue May 16 16:46:05 2000 From: pwz at pghfamily.net (pwz ii) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:46:05 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Drivers for Tech Source SBus video card Message-ID: I had found the site before I posted to the list. They list downloads for the PCI products but not for these GXTRA cards in the download sections. I have sent them a e-mail query about the drivers, but haven't recieved a response as of yet. Thanks pwz ii ********************************************* Try the web site: www.techsource.com. They were pretty helpful when I contacted them and I see a 'Download' section on the main page. -- David Rouse Network Manager Goldsboro News-Argus From james at foonly.com Tue May 16 18:18:07 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Drivers for Tech Source SBus video card Message-ID: On Tue, 16 May 2000, pwz ii wrote: > I had found the site before I posted to the list. They list downloads for > the PCI > products but not for these GXTRA cards in the download sections. > I have sent them a e-mail query about the drivers, but haven't recieved a > response as of yet. >From what I remember, the GXTRA is just a GX (cg6) with 2 serial ports onboard for using a secondary keyboard and mouse. You can use it as-is with the Sun X server, or download the doubleX package to use the extra kb/mouse ports for a different seat. doubleX also works with normal serial ports if you build a simple cable, it's an easy way to add extra users to one powerful machine. An Ultra 450 with enough RAM can support 5-6 interactive seats without breaking a sweat most of the time (using a terminal server for extra ports). -James From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed May 17 00:41:59 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:41:59 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Solbourne S4000 Message-ID: Anybody know anything much about this machine? I may be having a friend bring one down for me. It's supposedly a "Sun4" compatible, but that could really mean just about anything. I'm looking at http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~dowdy/Solbourne/, and http://www.nts.gssc.com/solbourne.html, as references, but, as they say, the more the merrier. Later, Greg |---------------------------------------------------| | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try | | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to | | continue. | | < Ok > | |---------------------------------------------------| (sigline nicked from Jayan M on comp.os.linux.misc) From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 17 02:30:04 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 02:30:04 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules Message-ID: I've got three SM100 CPU modules (Ross, dual 40mhz, no-cache, SPARC, most commonly found on 4/6x0MP systems): Sun Part # 370-1388 Serial #s: 40 01 9235 -08 REV G 40 01 9203 -07 REV A 40 01 9229 -07 REV C Will trade for anything useful or some 4mb 30pin parity SIMMs, or a combination of 4mb and 1mb 30pin parity SIMMs - I just want to get the 4/670MP to boot. 8-) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 17 02:49:05 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 03:49:05 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] HAL Computer (Fujitsu?) Message-ID: Hi All, I was at one of my favorite used computer dealers the other day and saw an odd box, said HAL series 300 on it, best info I can find says it is some kind of SPARC. What is it? It has S-Bus slots. What does it run for OS? Experiences, opinions? Thanks, Mike N From james at foonly.com Wed May 17 02:59:46 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: [Packrats] HAL Computer (Fujitsu?) Message-ID: On Wed, 17 May 2000, Mike Nicewonger wrote: > Hi All, > > I was at one of my favorite used computer dealers the other day and saw an > odd box, said HAL series 300 on it, best info I can find says it is some > kind of SPARC. What is it? It has S-Bus slots. What does it run for OS? > Experiences, opinions? Neat box. HAL was originally independant and eventually became an autonomous division of Fujitsu. The HALstations were the first 64-bit SPARC machines ever produced, but since they predated the UltraSparc (sparcv9) HAL extended sparcv8 in different ways. No VIS, etc. Their chip design was known as SPARC64. They ran a modified version of Solaris 2.4 (called HalOS) originally, I believe that HAL went as far as 2.5.1 for the SPARC64 machines. Normal Solaris will not run on these systems, HalOS was full 64-bit from the start and beat Sun to the punch in this by nearly 4 years. The 300 was the original line, circa 1995. The 330 was a 100MHz SPARC64 box, the 350 was 118MHz. Both had a split 128/128 I/D L1 cache and no L2 cache. Scott Metcalf, the former CEO of HAL, is now CEO of the company I work for. Great guy. -James From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 17 03:18:35 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 04:18:35 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Re: [Packrats] HAL Computer (Fujitsu?) Message-ID: >UltraSparc (sparcv9) HAL extended sparcv8 in different ways. Just to clarify, is the sparcv9 the ultra sparc? Mike N From james at foonly.com Wed May 17 03:24:25 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff!!! (southern california) Message-ID: Just in case anyone in the L.A. area is interested: * * * FREE * * * Partially working GDM-20D10 monitor, picture is visible but garbled Fully functional Zenith 20" grayscale, 1280x1024x76Hz Fully functional IBM 5081/19 monitors, 19" trinitron, 1280x1024 @ 60Hz or 1152x900 @ 66Hz, sync on green (qty 3). Almost free: Sun GDM-1662B premium trinitrons (16", 1152x900 @ 76Hz) terrific picture (qty 2). SparcStation ELC, 64MB RAM, clear and bright (best one I've ever seen) 2GB and 3GB Seagate Elite differential hard drives (5.25" FH). Exide 2000VA true sinewave UPS, almost new batteries, "quirky". Nudata 8-port Sun console switch, 13W3 and keyboard ports. Fully automatic, keyboard activated, no loss in picture quality. Will consider any and all offers, especially trades for telnettable terminal servers. Got to clean up and prepare for the move to the bay area in a few months. I really don't want to ship any of this (except the switch and the drives). Mail me off-list. BTW, anyone know any calculator collectors? I'm on the lookout for a Natsemi/Novus "Mathematician", circa 1976 (red LEDs, 9V). Lost mine years ago and I've been wanting another since. -James From james at foonly.com Wed May 17 03:27:36 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: [Packrats] HAL Computer (Fujitsu?) Message-ID: On Wed, 17 May 2000, Mike Nicewonger wrote: > >UltraSparc (sparcv9) HAL extended sparcv8 in different ways. > > Just to clarify, is the sparcv9 the ultra sparc? UltraSparc is Sun's implementation of sparcv9. The v9 spec didn't exist when SPARC64 was implemented, so it's off by itself. Fujitsu has since implemented v9, but the UltraSparc name is (tm) Sun. -James (MaxiSparc) From erico at bendcable.com Wed May 17 03:58:26 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:58:26 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules Message-ID: I was looking through some older sunrescue archives and I found something that SM100 cpu's wouldn't work on versions of Solaris higher then 2.6, and that they were very slow, slower then most uni-processor mbus modules. I recently almost made a deal to buy 3 of these SM100 modules for $200, and I backed out at the last minute after finding this information. This information is correct isn't it? Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradford" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:30 AM Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules > I've got three SM100 CPU modules (Ross, dual 40mhz, no-cache, SPARC, most > commonly found on 4/6x0MP systems): > > Sun Part # 370-1388 > > Serial #s: > 40 01 9235 -08 REV G > 40 01 9203 -07 REV A > 40 01 9229 -07 REV C > > Will trade for anything useful or some 4mb 30pin parity SIMMs, or > a combination of 4mb and 1mb 30pin parity SIMMs - I just want to > get the 4/670MP to boot. 8-) > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From erico at bendcable.com Wed May 17 04:01:48 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 02:01:48 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunHelp Site Message-ID: I'm not sure if I should post this here but... I noticed that the link to Solaris 2.x PC Card FAQ does not work, and at auctions.workstations.org the links off the main page to the various equipment catagories times out, but it might just be my internet connection, it's been acting funny. Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 17 06:57:08 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:57:08 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules Message-ID: On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:58:26AM -0700, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > I was looking through some older sunrescue archives and I found something > that SM100 cpu's wouldn't work on versions of Solaris higher then 2.6, > and that they were very slow, slower then most uni-processor mbus modules. > I recently almost made a deal to buy 3 of these SM100 modules for $200, > and I backed out at the last minute after finding this information. This > information is correct isn't it? Yep. The SM100 was one of the first (if not the first.. James?) mbus CPU modules. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From jeisch at boku.net Wed May 17 07:09:47 2000 From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:09:47 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] free stuff!!! (southern california) Message-ID: Hi James. I'd like the switch, so I don't have to keep on buying monitors when someone gives me a computer. I don't have the money for them. anyway, what's it worth? I'll see if I can find the money. -Jonathan James Lockwood wrote: > > Just in case anyone in the L.A. area is interested: > > * * * FREE * * * > > Partially working GDM-20D10 monitor, picture is visible but garbled > > Fully functional Zenith 20" grayscale, 1280x1024x76Hz > > Fully functional IBM 5081/19 monitors, 19" trinitron, 1280x1024 @ 60Hz or > 1152x900 @ 66Hz, sync on green (qty 3). > > Almost free: > > Sun GDM-1662B premium trinitrons (16", 1152x900 @ 76Hz) terrific picture > (qty 2). > > SparcStation ELC, 64MB RAM, clear and bright (best one I've ever seen) > > 2GB and 3GB Seagate Elite differential hard drives (5.25" FH). > > Exide 2000VA true sinewave UPS, almost new batteries, "quirky". > > Nudata 8-port Sun console switch, 13W3 and keyboard ports. Fully > automatic, keyboard activated, no loss in picture quality. Will consider > any and all offers, especially trades for telnettable terminal servers. > > Got to clean up and prepare for the move to the bay area in a few months. > I really don't want to ship any of this (except the switch and the > drives). > > Mail me off-list. > > BTW, anyone know any calculator collectors? I'm on the lookout for a > Natsemi/Novus "Mathematician", circa 1976 (red LEDs, 9V). Lost mine years > ago and I've been wanting another since. > > -James > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Thu May 18 11:32:49 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:32:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: I got my Sun PCi card (AMD 400 Mhz CPU, 64 Meg RAM) for $200 incl. free shipping for my (soon) to be purchased Ultra5 Educational Special at $1295. It is interesting to watch these units, sometimes the bids top $300, sometimes there are no bidders. I am happy with that price (at $200 that is just about $50 more than the CPU/RAM would cost "in the wild")... Just another data point... Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradford" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 03:08:43PM -0400, Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote: > > I have permission to post this from my co-worker now.... :) > > www.teksell.com > > My co-worker just got an Ultra 2 w 2 300Mhz CPUs (4M cache) > > 256MB RAM, Creator 2D, 2G hard drive and a 21" inch color > > monitor for $3075 > > It's an auction type site... and apparently this Ultra 2 was new... > > I'm jealous of him, wish I had $3000 for an Ultra 2 :) > > --Kurt > > Sun is now auctioning off workstations on eBay and TekSell . . . From AlistairMacDonald at economist.com Wed May 17 11:57:23 2000 From: AlistairMacDonald at economist.com (Alistair MacDonald) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:57:23 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] Solbourne S4000 Message-ID: Well, I've got one .... I can tell you that I haven't managed to boot OpenBSD or NetBSD from the floppy images, although some of their pages imply that the more compatible solbournes should boot. (I think this is one of the more compatible ones! The other 3 solbournes I have definately aren't!) If you do get it then I'd appreciate a copy of any installation tapes, or a tar of the FS because mine had a disk corruption and the installation tape appears to be dead just around the point where it installes the S4000 specific code. Aside from that, OS/MP appears to be very compatible with SunOS4. They used the 2 big machines I own at the University I used to work for, for 8 years and I don't recall a problem with any binaries in the period I was there. Alistair >>> Gregory Leblanc 05/17/00 06:41am >>> Anybody know anything much about this machine? I may be having a friend bring one down for me. It's supposedly a "Sun4" compatible, but that could really mean just about anything. I'm looking at http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~dowdy/Solbourne/, and http://www.nts.gssc.com/solbourne.html, as references, but, as they say, the more the merrier. Later, Greg |---------------------------------------------------| | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try | | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to | | continue. | | < Ok > | |---------------------------------------------------| (sigline nicked from Jayan M on comp.os.linux.misc) _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Thu May 18 12:45:57 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:45:57 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: Ok, I have to ask - how *great* is this system? Should I be concerned about being based on SBUS? I amplanning on getting an Ultra5 for $1295, but that has a 17" monitor (not 21"), 128 Meg RAM (not 256 Meg), and 1x360 Mhz CPU w/tiny cache vs. 2x300 Mhz w/LARGE cache. And, I would expect *each* 300 Mhz CPU w/2 Meg cache to perform about as well as a 360 Mhz CPU w/256K cache - correct? I don't *need* this speed, but if I were to add-on to my Ultra5, it would start to approach this price ($1295 + $225 for 128 Meg RAM + SCSI + larger monitor) and you are approaching $2300 - consider the bump in speed and maybe it makes sense to pay a little credit card debt... I am drawn to the Ultra 2, but am I asking for a more aggressive depreciation rate vs. an Ultra5 workstation (Which will be worth more in 12 mos.?)... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Mosiejczuk" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:08 PM Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > I have permission to post this from my co-worker now.... :) > > www.teksell.com > > My co-worker just got an Ultra 2 w 2 300Mhz CPUs (4M cache) > 256MB RAM, Creator 2D, 2G hard drive and a 21" inch color > monitor for $3075 > > It's an auction type site... and apparently this Ultra 2 was new... > > I'm jealous of him, wish I had $3000 for an Ultra 2 :) > > --Kurt > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From a222 at redrose.net Wed May 17 12:58:18 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:58:18 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: Hello, What a great resource! I just found out about this list and read thru the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. I recently got a 1000, which has two disk trays that slide into the lower XDBus slots. I am trying to figure out how to configure them. How are the SCSI IDs assigned? When I connect them to the SCSI slot in either first system board or the second system board, I get error messages from the esp (SCSI controller) when I boot. Any help, suggestions, greatly appreciated. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From james at foonly.com Wed May 17 13:16:12 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: On Thu, 18 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > Ok, I have to ask - how *great* is this system? Should I be concerned > about being based on SBUS? I amplanning on getting an Ultra5 for $1295, > but that has a 17" monitor (not 21"), 128 Meg RAM (not 256 Meg), and > 1x360 Mhz CPU w/tiny cache vs. 2x300 Mhz w/LARGE cache. And, Ultra 2 is IMHO the best sbus based desktop ever built. Really nice construction. > I would expect *each* 300 Mhz CPU w/2 Meg cache to perform about as > well as a 360 Mhz CPU w/256K cache - correct? The 300's will outperform the 360, especially in floating point. Memory bandwidth is also better on the 300's (main memory bus is 100MHz vs. 90MHz). > I don't *need* this speed, but if I were to add-on to my Ultra5, it would > start > to approach this price ($1295 + $225 for 128 Meg RAM + SCSI + larger > monitor) and you are approaching $2300 - consider the bump in speed and > maybe it makes sense to pay a little credit card debt... > > I am drawn to the Ultra 2, but am I asking for a more aggressive > depreciation > rate vs. an Ultra5 workstation (Which will be worth more in 12 mos.?)... U5's are everywhere and will depreciate rapidly (not quite as rapidly as PC's though). U2's will likely go down much more slowly, there's still a lot of sbus technology out there and people want to hang onto them. Sort of like the SS20 vs. the SS5, the 20 was top of the line and even though it was older it held onto a lot of value. Keep in mind that many U2's were $10k+ when new. Though usually sbus is slower than PCI, the Creator in the U2 will outperform the PGX24 in the U5 by a wide margin. For interactive use the U2 will be a screamer. That said, if you really don't need the extra speed the U5 is not a bad machine. -James From GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL Wed May 17 13:54:34 2000 From: GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL (Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:54:34 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: The actual error messages might be instructive... DG -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Giagnocavo [mailto:a222 at redrose.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:58 PM To: rescue at sunhelp.org Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Hello, What a great resource! I just found out about this list and read thru the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. I recently got a 1000, which has two disk trays that slide into the lower XDBus slots. I am trying to figure out how to configure them. How are the SCSI IDs assigned? When I connect them to the SCSI slot in either first system board or the second system board, I get error messages from the esp (SCSI controller) when I boot. Any help, suggestions, greatly appreciated. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From a222 at redrose.net Wed May 17 14:47:40 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:47:40 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: > The actual error messages might be instructive... > > DG OK, here is some more information: I have two drive trays. I only connected one, after placing ONE drive in the tray (all others were removed). probe-scsi-all gives: /io-unit at f,e1200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/esp at 1,80000 Target 2 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30548 /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 Target 0 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 Target 1 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 Target 2 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 Target 3 Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 Target 5 Unit 0 Removable Tape EXABYTE EXB-8505SMBANSH20793 06644396 Target 6 Unit 0 Removable Read Only Device SONY CDU 561 SUNMSCD1.9K (I had to type this in, since I am using a Wyse 60 terminal on the Sun.) I have been trying to understand this output. Do I have 3 different SCSI interfaces on this system? Of just two, but one can handle 14 devices instead of 7? Or what? Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 17 17:31:48 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:31:48 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: In the front of that machine, behind the face cover and next to the open drive bays, there is mounting space for up to 4 3 1/2" hard disks, so I would bet they are connected to that bus. As for the other busses I dunno. Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Giagnocavo To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... > > The actual error messages might be instructive... > > > > DG > > OK, here is some more information: > > I have two drive trays. I only connected one, after placing ONE drive in > the tray (all others were removed). > > probe-scsi-all gives: > > /io-unit at f,e1200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 > > /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/esp at 1,80000 > Target 2 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30548 > > /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 > Target 0 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 1 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 2 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 3 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 5 > Unit 0 Removable Tape EXABYTE EXB-8505SMBANSH20793 06644396 > Target 6 > Unit 0 Removable Read Only Device SONY CDU 561 SUNMSCD1.9K > > (I had to type this in, since I am using a Wyse 60 terminal on the Sun.) > > I have been trying to understand this output. > > Do I have 3 different SCSI interfaces on this system? Of just two, but one > can handle 14 devices instead of 7? Or what? > > Cordially > > Patrick Giagnocavo > a222 at redrose.net > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Thu May 18 20:18:34 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:18:34 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: James, As always, thanks a ton - I appreciate your informed and reasoned response, and suspect I may go for the U2 machine: I failed to realize how expensive a 21" monitor really is! The best I can find for a reasonable Mfg. 21" PC monitor is $750 +/-, so add that cost to another 128 Meg of RAM and the Ultra5 is now a $2300 machine. Toss in a SCSI adapter (to boost performance) and you are now over $2500. The cost difference between the U5 (with it's faster depreciation rate) and the U2 (with it's dual CPUs, better graphics, and vastly improved performance based on fundamental design issues) and it approaches a no-brainer. If I go for this "whopper" of a system, I will have to purge *all* my other Sun SPARC bits (LX, SS5/70, SS10, etc. - but not the SPARCBook! ;^) to try and make up the cost. At my old company we bought an Ultra 2 when they first came out (?) about 3 - 4 years ago, and we spent a bundle on it... Ran a major software project on it (telcom, used several HSSI cards, lots of disks (heavy Oracle use) and I don't really think we stressed the system that much...) Shoot, guess my mind is made up, and now I got this Sun PCi card for a machine I probably will not get (Ultra5)... I guess I'll eBay it and hope to get my money back... But one thing is for sure - this will be a killer system! (I've even got SBUS SCSI and 4 port ethernet I could throw in the machine to make it fun...) Thanks again, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > Ok, I have to ask - how *great* is this system? Should I be concerned > > about being based on SBUS? I amplanning on getting an Ultra5 for $1295, > > but that has a 17" monitor (not 21"), 128 Meg RAM (not 256 Meg), and > > 1x360 Mhz CPU w/tiny cache vs. 2x300 Mhz w/LARGE cache. And, > > Ultra 2 is IMHO the best sbus based desktop ever built. Really nice > construction. > > > I would expect *each* 300 Mhz CPU w/2 Meg cache to perform about as > > well as a 360 Mhz CPU w/256K cache - correct? > > The 300's will outperform the 360, especially in floating point. Memory > bandwidth is also better on the 300's (main memory bus is 100MHz vs. > 90MHz). > > > I don't *need* this speed, but if I were to add-on to my Ultra5, it would > > start > > to approach this price ($1295 + $225 for 128 Meg RAM + SCSI + larger > > monitor) and you are approaching $2300 - consider the bump in speed and > > maybe it makes sense to pay a little credit card debt... > > > > I am drawn to the Ultra 2, but am I asking for a more aggressive > > depreciation > > rate vs. an Ultra5 workstation (Which will be worth more in 12 mos.?)... > > U5's are everywhere and will depreciate rapidly (not quite as rapidly as > PC's though). U2's will likely go down much more slowly, there's still a > lot of sbus technology out there and people want to hang onto them. Sort > of like the SS20 vs. the SS5, the 20 was top of the line and even though > it was older it held onto a lot of value. Keep in mind that many U2's > were $10k+ when new. > > Though usually sbus is slower than PCI, the Creator in the U2 will > outperform the PGX24 in the U5 by a wide margin. For interactive use the > U2 will be a screamer. > > That said, if you really don't need the extra speed the U5 is not a bad > machine. > > -James > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 17 20:57:38 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:57:38 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody got SGI Indigo2 parts? Message-ID: I got a Teal Indigo2 Extreme today, 128mb/2gig, with what was supposedly a bad power supply. I swapped out the PS with one that worked last time I tried it (admittedly, a year or so ago), and the system is still dead as a doornail when I try to power up - anybody have an I2 motherboard / PS / case they'll let go cheaply? I've already got cpu/ram/framebuffer/HD/etc; hopefully none of the other parts are fried. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From woods at weird.com Wed May 17 21:02:08 2000 From: woods at weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: > > > www.teksell.com Personally I'm not going to go anywhere near them the way they've currently got things set up -- they want *WAY* too much information for a registration and they require it before you can even browse!!!! -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From hyena at interport.net Thu May 18 01:10:06 2000 From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:10:06 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Free Sun 4/600 in California Message-ID: David Passmore (dpassmor at sneakers.org) has a Sun 4/600 up for grabs in Sunnyvale, CA. He said he was going to throw it out if not picked up. I figured none of us wants to see this happen, so I decided to post this here. I have no more info on this box, email David, not me, and be nice. ;) Chris Specs: 4/600 board, no processor, memory expansion board, combined 160MB. 12-slot rackmount VME chassis. Only condition, if you take the boards you have to take the chassis too. From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 17 23:24:57 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:24:57 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] old-style SPARCstorage Array prices? Message-ID: Anybody know what the going rate for one of the old-style SPARCstorage Arrays, with controller card and fiberoptic cable, is? I'm talking about the kind that normally came full of 30 1gig HDs... Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Fri May 19 05:30:38 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:30:38 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: >From their privacy policy: Our site's registration form requires users to give us contact information (like their name and email address) and demographic information (like their zip code, company size and IT budget). The customer's contact information is used to contact the visitor when necessary. Demographic and profile data is also collected at our site for the purpose of studying and refining our marketing efforts. I have no problem giving them the above information, and if such information requests keep the size of the bidding pool down, so much the better for me... They don't ask any questions that any "free to qualified buyers" trade publication asks for on a magazine subscription request - and there is no requirement that you be any more honest here ;^) Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg A. Woods" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > > > > www.teksell.com > > Personally I'm not going to go anywhere near them the way they've > currently got things set up -- they want *WAY* too much information for > a registration and they require it before you can even browse!!!! > > -- > Greg A. Woods > > +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP > Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Thu May 18 07:41:05 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:41:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCplug Message-ID: Hi All, I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. At the back of the main unit are three connectors. One is a 68-way micro-D connector for the flying lead to the ISA connections card. Another is a 50-way micro-D connector (SCSI?). The last looks like a 3/80 or SS1 motherboard power connector. There appears to be space in the base of the main unit for a low profile hard disk. There is no obvious way of connecting to it though (no 50-way IDC header plug). Am I missing a cable to take the SCSI from the main unit to an internal disk and to a external connector on an ISA back plate? Am I also missing a power cable assembly or can I just plug a SS1 power supply in? Will the SPARCplug take SuperSPARC MBus modules? Anyone with one of these critters? Chris. From woods at weird.com Thu May 18 08:47:44 2000 From: woods at weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Interesting site... Message-ID: [ On Friday, May 19, 2000 at 06:30:38 (-0400), Ken Hansen wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Interesting site... > > Our site's registration form requires users to give us contact > information (like their name and email address) and demographic information > (like their zip code, company size and IT budget). The customer's contact > information is used to contact the visitor when necessary. Demographic and > profile data is also collected at our site for the purpose of studying and > refining our marketing efforts. yeah, but have you actually looked at the form and counted the number of "required" fields!?!?!? they REQUIRE a FAX number!!!!! anarchistic fools! > They don't ask any questions that any "free to qualified buyers" trade > publication asks for > on a magazine subscription request - and there is no requirement that you be > any more > honest here ;^) That's what I ended up doing, of course, but it still didn't work. Even when I supplied fake numbers (AREA-555-1212 comes to mind ;-) their form failed with some really stupid CGI error (i.e. not the page that says please go back and fill in the missing field(s)).... -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird From ttaylor at techie.com Thu May 18 09:07:50 2000 From: ttaylor at techie.com (Trevor Taylor) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SGI bootable CD-ROM Message-ID: I looking to get a CD-ROM that will boot a SGI and install the OS. What I'm wondering is will the SUN/SGI bootable cd-rom drives that I see on E-bay (Most in 411 case) plug right into my SGI Indy? Or is there some kind of adapter I can use? Any advice would be great. Thanks, Trevor Taylor ____________________________________________________________ "One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/M d+@ s+: a?(---) C+++(++) UL++(+++)>++++ P+>+++ L++(+++)>++++ E- W++ N++ !o K- w(---) O- M-- V- PS--(---) PE Y+ PGP++ t+ 5?(---) X+ R(+) tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e(+)>++++ h*>++ r++ !y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ If you want to decode this code please go to http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ Or if you want to learn more about this code go to http://www.geekcode.com/.codes/geek3.1.html ____________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Thu May 18 09:16:50 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:16:50 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCplug Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Powell [mailto:Chris_Powell at mitel.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:41 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] SPARCplug > > Hi All, > > I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit > fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz > HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two > audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI > or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. Probably AUI, but I'm just guessing. > At the back of the main unit are three connectors. One is a 68-way > micro-D connector for the flying lead to the ISA connections card. > Another is a 50-way micro-D connector (SCSI?). Sounds like a good guess to me. > The last looks like > a 3/80 or SS1 motherboard power connector. > > There appears to be space in the base of the main unit for a low > profile hard disk. There is no obvious way of connecting to it > though (no 50-way IDC header plug). Are there any extra pin headers on the board anyplace? > Am I missing a cable to take the SCSI from the main unit to an > internal disk and to a external connector on an ISA back plate? > Am I also missing a power cable assembly or can I just plug a > SS1 power supply in? Will the SPARCplug take SuperSPARC MBus > modules? I'm not sure. Got a DC or know where anybody has some pictures of these? I don't think it would be worthwhile to put a SuperSPARC module in there, even if you could. The SM81 is the only CPU that would be faster than an HS125, and the speed difference wouldn't be that huge, I don't think. > Anyone with one of these critters? Not me, unless you want to give that one away... Greg From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Thu May 18 09:32:36 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sun Tapes Message-ID: > recieved the following tape ... > > 1.3.1 Sun(tm) FORTRAN > Sun-3(tm) Sun-4(tm) Sun386i(tm) SUNBIN > 1/4" TAPE (tar format, QIC24), 1 of 1 > Part Number: 700-2452-11 Rev. A Pass it along to the sun3 archive keeper. It should probably be archived rather than become vaporware. Bob From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Thu May 18 09:50:12 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:50:12 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SGI bootable CD-ROM Message-ID: I have used a Sun part numbered CD-ROM (in 411 case) to boot my Indy with no special adapters. You need a cable, but other than that they attach directly. In the Indy, there isn't a capability to put a CD-ROM drive in the chassis without major modification. Kurt ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Taylor To: Sun Rescue Mailing list Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 10:07 AM Subject: [SunRescue] SGI bootable CD-ROM > I looking to get a CD-ROM that will boot a SGI and install the OS. What I'm > wondering is will the SUN/SGI bootable cd-rom drives that I see on E-bay > (Most in 411 case) plug right into my SGI Indy? Or is there some kind of > adapter I can use? Any advice would be great. > > Thanks, > Trevor Taylor > > ____________________________________________________________ > > "One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad > "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GCS/M d+@ s+: a?(---) C+++(++) UL++(+++)>++++ P+>+++ > L++(+++)>++++ E- W++ N++ !o K- w(---) O- M-- V- PS--(---) PE > Y+ PGP++ t+ 5?(---) X+ R(+) tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e(+)>++++ > h*>++ r++ !y+ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > If you want to decode this code please go to > http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ > > Or if you want to learn more about this code go to > http://www.geekcode.com/.codes/geek3.1.html > ____________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From koch at pz.pirmasens.de Thu May 18 18:04:28 2000 From: koch at pz.pirmasens.de (Peter Koch) Date: Thu, 18 May 00 18:04:28 MES Subject: [SunRescue] FT: Three SM100 CPU modules Message-ID: Hi! >Yep. The SM100 was one of the first (if not the first.. James?) mbus CPU >modules. Yes, i think so. Yesterday i had two of them in a SS10 and they worked! But the 40 MHz SuperSparc of the SM-40 is WAY faster than the 40 MHz Cypress CPU. I'd think even the 33 MHz SM-21 will beat the SM-100. But under SunOS 4.1.4, you can have 4 (in Words: FOUR) of them. So depending on the workload, 4 Cypress CPUs can be faster than a single SuperSparc CPU. Another thing: I have a bunch of 1 MB SIMMs for Sun 3/60 or Sun 3/80 here. I won't ship them over the pond, but i'm willing to give them to people in the european community fro free. All are tested, with parity, 70-100ns, 9 chip types. Tell me the serial# and ethernet address of your 3/60 or 3/80 and i'll send them to you! Tschuess Peter From twmaster at earthlink.net Thu May 18 19:18:36 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:18:36 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Need a horizaontal Creator 3D like yesterday. Message-ID: Hi all, I need a horizontal 3D creator card for a U1 like right now, lemme know if you have one or who would have the best deal on one, used preferably. I also need 32 and/or 64 MB memory for ss20, U1 and 2 etc. Cheers, Mike N From a222 at redrose.net Thu May 18 19:43:07 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:43:07 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Need a horizaontal Creator 3D like yesterday. Message-ID: > Hi all, I need a horizontal 3D creator card for a U1 like right now, lemme > know if you have one or who would have the best deal on one, used > preferably. > > I also need 32 and/or 64 MB memory for ss20, U1 and 2 etc. > > Cheers, > > Mike N You might want to check with Greg Douglas @ www.reputable.com. I think he has a Creator 3D plus some components in stock. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From a222 at redrose.net Thu May 18 19:52:52 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:52:52 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 problem solved... Message-ID: Hello, I thought I would post my experiences to the list, as they might prove helpful to someone in the future. I have a SS1000, dual CPU, 900MB RAM, with 2 disk cards to go in the lower XDBus slots. the front tray has tape, CDROM, and 4 500MB drives. In my configuration, there are 3 different SCSI adapters present. The right way to handle this is to realize that the first on-board SCSI adapter is the one that goes to the front tray. On my system, that is the built-in SCSI on the first board (one at the very "top" of the chassis). Thus, that chain is full and you shouldn't try to put any more devices on it (4 disks + 1 tape + 1 CDROM + 1 SCSI adapter = 7 device IDs, the maximum). Instead, plug one cable from one of the other available adapters into the disk cards SCSI in port and put a terminator on the SCSI out port. Ignore the third unlabeled SCSI connector on the disk card - I don't know what it does and the docs don't tell me either. Then plug another cable going from the third available adapter into the second disk card, terminating on the SCSI out port as well. Now, boot the system and go into the PROM. Type "probe-scsi-all" and make sure that all the devices are seen. You're done, right? No. In order to get Solaris (2.6 at least) to "see" the new SCSI devices, you need to "touch /reconfigure" as root. Then, do a cold reboot of the system (ie cycle power). Then, the new drives will be seen and you can make filesystems, etc on them. Hope this helps someone else. It was a pain for me to puzzle this out. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From mvergall at double-barrel.be Thu May 18 20:49:07 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:49:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 problem solved... Message-ID: The thing you can do under solaris is when you are in the prom monitor type "boot -r" and it will automatically configure the devices for you so there is no need to do a "touch /reconfigure" and cycle the power. Hope this helps. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Thu, 18 May 2000, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > > In order to get Solaris (2.6 at least) to "see" the new SCSI devices, you > need to "touch /reconfigure" as root. Then, do a cold reboot of the system > (ie cycle power). > > Then, the new drives will be seen and you can make filesystems, etc on them. > > Hope this helps someone else. It was a pain for me to puzzle this out. > > Cordially > > Patrick Giagnocavo > a222 at redrose.net > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 18 22:45:45 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:45:45 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 Message-ID: I'm still looking for a SS1000 if anyone has one for sale.. -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From erico at bendcable.com Fri May 19 00:48:06 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:48:06 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] External case w/4MM tape unit Message-ID: Hi everyone, I recently aquired a Sun 411 case with a 4MM tape backup drive. I hooked it up to my trusty SSLX running the newest install of NetBSD. The dmesg output looks good for this device and reports: st0 at scsibus0 targ 5 lun 0: SCSI2 1/sequential removable st0: density code 0x8c, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled Now I just need to see if it works correctly. I have a few 2/4GB tapes laying around and I would like to see if this thing actually works. What I need to know is how do I check to see what size this tape drive is, how do I format new tapes, how do I read/write to this tape, etc... Do I need some specialized tape backup software or can I just mount the device and pretend it's a disk? If anyone can give me a lead on where to find information on this, or can just give me a few hints it would be great. Thanks in advance.... Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN From twmaster at earthlink.net Fri May 19 01:20:55 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:20:55 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 Message-ID: Bill, I have an SS1000 for sale, I have 3 so time to clean out a bit. What config are you looking for? Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bradford To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:45 PM Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 > I'm still looking for a SS1000 if anyone has one for sale.. > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From twmaster at earthlink.net Fri May 19 01:39:54 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:39:54 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 Message-ID: Doh!! That was supposed to go private! Stupid me. MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Nicewonger To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 > Bill, > > I have an SS1000 for sale, I have 3 so time to clean out a bit. What config > are you looking for? > > Mike N > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Bradford > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:45 PM > Subject: [SunRescue] Still looking for SS1000 > > > > I'm still looking for a SS1000 if anyone has one for sale.. > > > > -- > > +--------------------+-------------------+ > > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > > +--------------------+-------------------+ > > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > > +--------------------+-------------------+ > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mrbill at mrbill.net Fri May 19 03:14:21 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:14:21 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] External case w/4MM tape unit Message-ID: On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 10:48:06PM -0700, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > Hi everyone, > I recently aquired a Sun 411 case with a 4MM tape backup drive. I hooked > it up to my trusty SSLX running the newest install of NetBSD. The dmesg > output > looks good for this device and reports: > st0 at scsibus0 targ 5 lun 0: SCSI2 > 1/sequential removable > st0: density code 0x8c, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled > Now I just need to see if it works correctly. I have a few 2/4GB tapes > laying around > and I would like to see if this thing actually works. What I need to know is > how do I > check to see what size this tape drive is, how do I format new tapes, how do > I read/write > to this tape, etc... Do I need some specialized tape backup software or can > I just mount > the device and pretend it's a disk? > If anyone can give me a lead on where to find information on this, or can > just give me a few > hints it would be great. "man mt" should tell ya everything you need to know. 8-) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Fri May 19 06:40:54 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:40:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] RE: SPARCplug Message-ID: > > I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit > > fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz > > HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two > > audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI > > or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. > > Probably AUI, but I'm just guessing. It's the 26-way micro-D thing, but judging by the number of PCB tracks going to it, it's a parallel port. But that means the SPARCplug has no obvious serial connections, despite having two 85C30 SCC chips on board (one is used for Sun keyboard/mouse). > > The last looks like > > a 3/80 or SS1 motherboard power connector. I've checked again and the connector is actually 14-way, not 12-way as on the 3/80. > > There appears to be space in the base of the main unit for a low > > profile hard disk. There is no obvious way of connecting to it > > though (no 50-way IDC header plug). > > Are there any extra pin headers on the board anyplace? Nope. A number of jumpers, but no SCSI header. Oh, it also has four LEDs on the front panel. One is power, one is hard disc, two are mystery LEDs with icons ((o)) and ))o((. > > Am I missing a cable to take the SCSI from the main unit to an > > internal disk and to a external connector on an ISA back plate? > > Am I also missing a power cable assembly or can I just plug a > > SS1 power supply in? Will the SPARCplug take SuperSPARC MBus > > modules? > > I'm not sure. Got a DC or know where anybody has some pictures of these? I DC? > don't think it would be worthwhile to put a SuperSPARC module in there, even > if you could. The SM81 is the only CPU that would be faster than an HS125, > and the speed difference wouldn't be that huge, I don't think. I was thinking of moving the HyperSPARC module to my SS10, and moving the 40MHz SuperSPARC from that to the SPARCplug. The HyperSPARC module is part #511-6224-01 (on the MBus connector) #270-6214-58 on the PCB. I know this is a 125MHz unit, but what size cache does it have? Will it work in a SPARCstation 10 (currently containing a 36MHz SuperSPARC)? Does the module support SMP? > > Anyone with one of these critters? > > Not me, unless you want to give that one away... I'm hanging on to it as it's so cute! Chris. From shall1 at columbus.rr.com Fri May 19 08:05:34 2000 From: shall1 at columbus.rr.com (Sheldon T. Hall) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:05:34 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] External case w/4MM tape unit Message-ID: On Friday, May 19, 2000 1:48 AM, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > I recently aquired a Sun 411 case with a 4MM tape backup drive. I hooked > it up to my trusty SSLX running the newest install of NetBSD. [snip] > What I need to know is how do I check to see what size this tape drive is ... I'd open the case and see what make/model the actual drive is, then check a website or two. > ... how do I format new tapes ... I haven't had to format mine, so I suspect that DDS tapes don't need formatting at all. Mine's an HP SureStore Tape 5000, which writes 2 gigs on DDS2 90 meter tapes. > how do I read/write to this tape, etc... Do I need some specialized tape backup > software or can I just mount the device and pretend it's a disk? I just use dump, or the Solaris equivalent. Here's my little backup script: #!/bin/sh # A script using UFSDUMP to backup the filesystems specified on the command line # # Basic script by Logan Shaw, "enhancements" by Sheldon T. Hall (8-18-99) PATH="/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" case $# in 0) echo "Usage: `basename $0` filesystem [filesystem ...]" echo " Backs up to the DDS tape the filesystem(s) specified, using" echo " ufsdump at the dump level specified in the environment variable" echo " LEVEL. Defaults to dump level 0, i.e. complete backup." echo " Other environment variables used are:" echo " TAPE - Tape drive, defaults to /dev/rmt/0n" exit 1 ;; *) ;; # OK esac # A Logging function so we can look like the big boys. log () { /bin/logger -p user.err -t "`/bin/basename $0`" $1 } TAPE=${TAPE:-/dev/rmt/0n} ; export TAPE LEVEL=${LEVEL:-0} ; export LEVEL msg1="System backup starting; save your work and log out now." msg2="System backup in progress; logins prohibited. Try again later." log "Starting level $LEVEL backup of $@" # Disable non-console logins, alert the users. echo "$msg2" > /etc/nologin if who then echo "$msg1" | wall -a sleep 60 fi # Actually do the work for fs in "$@" do mt status sync ; ufsdump "$LEVEL"acuf /etc/dump.TOC "$TAPE" "$fs" echo done # Re-enable non-console logins rm -f /etc/nologin # Check the tape and spit it out mt status mt offline # Do some clever logging sed 's/ / level /g' < /etc/dumpdates > /tmp/dumpdates # 15 spaces log "Level $LEVEL dump complete:" log "-f /tmp/dumpdates" rm -f /tmp/dumpdates # Done From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sat May 20 08:16:41 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:16:41 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] RE: SPARCplug Message-ID: My recollection is that the Ross SPARCPlug was designed to ultimately fit into *any* machine with a full-height 5 1/4" bay open, and some way to get the I/O to the back panel. As originally intended, this meant a PC box, but over time they started to sell them as standalone systems in external SCSI - type cases with a CD-ROM and HD. There were probably different pig tails that routed the various I/O ports to connectors, but I am sure they were all custom. If installed in a PC case, your main connection to it was over an ethernet port IIRC. Hope this helps, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Powell" To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: [SunRescue] RE: SPARCplug > > > > I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit > > > fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz > > > HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two > > > audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI > > > or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. From southwick at gibralter.net Fri May 19 08:35:47 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] External case w/4MM tape unit Message-ID: If you really have time to waste, and your just dying to 'format' those tapes type "mt erase". Then while the tape drive is chewing for a few hours you can do anything you want on your SSLX. I just do a "mt rewind" and run my backups. If you really want to get a the best backups take your system down to single user mode and make sure the non essental slices are unmounted. Then dump the slices to tape with the verify switch ( man your version of DUMP/UFSDUMP ). Have fun! Dan On Fri, 19 May 2000, Sheldon T. Hall wrote: > On Friday, May 19, 2000 1:48 AM, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > > > I recently aquired a Sun 411 case with a 4MM tape backup drive. I hooked > > it up to my trusty SSLX running the newest install of NetBSD. > > [snip] > > > What I need to know is how do I check to see what size this tape drive is > ... > > I'd open the case and see what make/model the actual drive is, then check a > website or two. > > > ... how do I format new tapes ... > > I haven't had to format mine, so I suspect that DDS tapes don't need > formatting at all. Mine's an HP SureStore Tape 5000, which writes 2 gigs > on DDS2 90 meter tapes. > > > how do I read/write to this tape, etc... Do I need some specialized tape > backup > > software or can I just mount the device and pretend it's a disk? > > I just use dump, or the Solaris equivalent. Here's my little backup > script: > > > #!/bin/sh > > # A script using UFSDUMP to backup the filesystems specified on the command > line > # > # Basic script by Logan Shaw, "enhancements" by Sheldon T. Hall (8-18-99) > > PATH="/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" > > case $# in > 0) echo "Usage: `basename $0` filesystem [filesystem ...]" > echo " Backs up to the DDS tape the filesystem(s) specified, > using" > echo " ufsdump at the dump level specified in the environment > variable" > echo " LEVEL. Defaults to dump level 0, i.e. complete backup." > echo " Other environment variables used are:" > echo " TAPE - Tape drive, defaults to /dev/rmt/0n" > exit 1 ;; > *) ;; # OK > esac > > # A Logging function so we can look like the big boys. > > log () > { > /bin/logger -p user.err -t "`/bin/basename $0`" $1 > } > > TAPE=${TAPE:-/dev/rmt/0n} ; export TAPE > LEVEL=${LEVEL:-0} ; export LEVEL > > msg1="System backup starting; save your work and log out now." > msg2="System backup in progress; logins prohibited. Try again later." > > log "Starting level $LEVEL backup of $@" > > # Disable non-console logins, alert the users. > > echo "$msg2" > /etc/nologin > if who > then > echo "$msg1" | wall -a > sleep 60 > fi > > # Actually do the work > > for fs in "$@" > do > mt status > sync ; ufsdump "$LEVEL"acuf /etc/dump.TOC "$TAPE" "$fs" > echo > done > > # Re-enable non-console logins > > rm -f /etc/nologin > > # Check the tape and spit it out > > mt status > mt offline > > # Do some clever logging > > sed 's/ / level /g' < /etc/dumpdates > /tmp/dumpdates # 15 > spaces > log "Level $LEVEL dump complete:" > log "-f /tmp/dumpdates" > rm -f /tmp/dumpdates > > # Done > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Fri May 19 12:13:06 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... now what to run on it????? Message-ID: Whilst perusing the bilges of the local MooU surplus pit, I manages across a fine and complete 3/60 pizzabox thingie. Also, for a couple of buckeroos I pickued up a pair of disk drives and tape transport in an old Data General peripherial thing that might be usable. Assuming my scsi tape is still functional, or I can sub something, what might folks suggest to run on such a fine ancient old dinosaur? Previous expeditions have yielded the right keyboard and mouse and mouse pad and a shoebox with scsi cable, and a faint mono monitor, so I think enough is there to actually make the thing play. At most it has cost me about 10 bucks, which is OK for a playtoy. 1. What are the usual ram configs for a 3/60? 4M comes to mind but I think there were other setups. 2. What would be a usable os to run on it, if it only has 4M ram? I have SunOS 3.5, 4.1.1U1, and 4.1.3, plus NetBSD 1.4.1, 1.4.2 (and can dredge up some 1.3 things, maybe, too). 3. Anyting strange in getting a 3/60 up? I have 3/160, 3/260, and 4/260 crates, but those are all the big vme deskside crates with somewhat different setups compared to the 3/60, AFIK. 4. Where would one find any on-line docs pertaining to specifically the 3/60 settings as to any jumpers, switches, odd prom commands, etc? None of my docs cover the 3/60 specifically. 5. Will it run a 150mb tape, or only a 60mb tape? Memory says it needs a late prom to handle a 150mb tape, but I am not sure. Thanks Bob From jwbirdsa at picarefy.picarefy.com Fri May 19 15:27:39 2000 From: jwbirdsa at picarefy.picarefy.com (jwbirdsa at picarefy.picarefy.com) Date: 19 May 2000 20:27:39 -0000 Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... now what to run on it????? Message-ID: >1. What are the usual ram configs for a 3/60? 4M comes to mind but > I think there were other setups. Anywhere from 4M to 24M in 4M increments of 1M 30-pin parity SIMMs, 100ns or faster. Nine-chip SIMMs seem to work more consistently than three-chippers. >2. What would be a usable os to run on it, if it only has 4M ram? > I have SunOS 3.5, 4.1.1U1, and 4.1.3, plus NetBSD 1.4.1, 1.4.2 > (and can dredge up some 1.3 things, maybe, too). NetBSD 1.4 is running on my 3/60's. SunOS 4.1.1 was pretty good, too. >3. Anyting strange in getting a 3/60 up? I have 3/160, 3/260, > and 4/260 crates, but those are all the big vme deskside crates > with somewhat different setups compared to the 3/60, AFIK. The 3/60 is a lot easier, because the onboard si works as expected, unlike the VME ones. >4. Where would one find any on-line docs pertaining to specifically > the 3/60 settings as to any jumpers, switches, odd prom commands, > etc? None of my docs cover the 3/60 specifically. There's only one jumper block, and it's labelled pretty well. There's six positions used to indicate the memory size, one for AUI/coax, and one sets the onboard bwtwo (if present) to normal or high resolution. If you're going to run it diskless, you want to crank the memory way up. I have a pair of 4M 3/50's with disks and they do OK for light use. On the other hand, I have an 8M diskless 3/50 (third-party expansion board) and it has real troubles. Doing a "ps -aux" saturates the network for several minutes. --James B. From mrbill at mrbill.net Fri May 19 17:20:16 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:20:16 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Wanted: 3/50 in Austin area Message-ID: Anybody in the Austin area have a 3/50? I know, old and slow, but my first "real" UNIX box (not counting the ATT UNIXPC) was a 3/50 with 19" mono monitor, and external tape/HD box, running SunOS 4.1.1. It would be nice to pick up another, or a 3/60 if I cant get a 3/50, for old times sake and add to the collection. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From nick at ns.snowman.net Fri May 19 23:39:36 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] RE: SPARCplug Message-ID: Hmmm. Odd, the only thing I know of that runs 26MicroD is Fast Ethernet MII (it's AUI equiv). Is that possible? Nick On Fri, 19 May 2000, Chris Powell wrote: > > > > I recently obtained a Ross Technology SPARCplug unit. The main unit > > > fits into a full-height 5" drive bay. It came with a 125MHz > > > HyperSPARC MBus module and flying lead to a connector card with two > > > audio jacks, keyboard/mouse port, 10baseT and small connector (AUI > > > or serial ports?) on an ISA back plate. > > > > Probably AUI, but I'm just guessing. > > It's the 26-way micro-D thing, but judging by the number of PCB tracks > going to it, it's a parallel port. But that means the SPARCplug has > no obvious serial connections, despite having two 85C30 SCC chips on > board (one is used for Sun keyboard/mouse). > > > > The last looks like > > > a 3/80 or SS1 motherboard power connector. > > I've checked again and the connector is actually 14-way, not 12-way > as on the 3/80. > > > > There appears to be space in the base of the main unit for a low > > > profile hard disk. There is no obvious way of connecting to it > > > though (no 50-way IDC header plug). > > > > Are there any extra pin headers on the board anyplace? > > Nope. A number of jumpers, but no SCSI header. > > Oh, it also has four LEDs on the front panel. One is power, one is > hard disc, two are mystery LEDs with icons ((o)) and ))o((. > > > > Am I missing a cable to take the SCSI from the main unit to an > > > internal disk and to a external connector on an ISA back plate? > > > Am I also missing a power cable assembly or can I just plug a > > > SS1 power supply in? Will the SPARCplug take SuperSPARC MBus > > > modules? > > > > I'm not sure. Got a DC or know where anybody has some pictures of these? I > > DC? > > > don't think it would be worthwhile to put a SuperSPARC module in there, even > > if you could. The SM81 is the only CPU that would be faster than an HS125, > > and the speed difference wouldn't be that huge, I don't think. > > I was thinking of moving the HyperSPARC module to my SS10, and moving > the 40MHz SuperSPARC from that to the SPARCplug. The HyperSPARC module > is part #511-6224-01 (on the MBus connector) #270-6214-58 on the PCB. > I know this is a 125MHz unit, but what size cache does it have? Will > it work in a SPARCstation 10 (currently containing a 36MHz SuperSPARC)? > Does the module support SMP? > > > > Anyone with one of these critters? > > > > Not me, unless you want to give that one away... > > I'm hanging on to it as it's so cute! > > > Chris. > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From mathew at r2d2.eagle.y.se Sat May 20 11:09:25 2000 From: mathew at r2d2.eagle.y.se (Mattias Nordlund) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:09:25 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 1/170E Message-ID: I have a Ultra 1/170E for sale in Sweden (Europe), so if anyone in sweden is intrested in it pleas mail me off the list. Sincerly Mattias Nordlund From sammy at oh.verio.com Sat May 20 15:12:09 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... now what to run on it????? Message-ID: On Fri, 19 May 2000, BSD Bob wrote: > 2. What would be a usable os to run on it, if it only has 4M ram? > I have SunOS 3.5, 4.1.1U1, and 4.1.3, plus NetBSD 1.4.1, 1.4.2 > (and can dredge up some 1.3 things, maybe, too). Now, I'm totally biased here, but if you can dredge up the ram (16 megs I'd recommend) and have time to play, Linux does run on it. :) (and only the 3/60 and 3/50, probably...) 1x9 simms are usually trivial ti find though... calling 2 friends got me 16 more megs form ine in about 10 minutes... > 3. Anyting strange in getting a 3/60 up? I have 3/160, 3/260, > and 4/260 crates, but those are all the big vme deskside crates > with somewhat different setups compared to the 3/60, AFIK. The NetBSD install on it is entirely straightforward, I installed it NFS root with no problems. Never tried a disk install of netbsd on it, though... Linux is a pain in the ass to install, there being no installer of any sort... (and I don't really know, having rolled the distribution while building the binaries for my 3/60). > 4. Where would one find any on-line docs pertaining to specifically > the 3/60 settings as to any jumpers, switches, odd prom commands, > etc? None of my docs cover the 3/60 specifically. They're labelled pretty clearly. For memeory selection, jumper all of the blocks up to the amount of memory you have... the HIGHRES jumper is to select the resoultion for the bwtwo (1152x864 vs 1600x1200, I think). EXTXVR (I think) selects AUI port for ethernet when jumpered, BNC when not. "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From shall1 at columbus.rr.com Sun May 21 08:57:31 2000 From: shall1 at columbus.rr.com (Sheldon T. Hall) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:57:31 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] RE: ohio people Message-ID: A little over a year ago, on Friday, April 30, 1999 9:49 AM, you wrote on the SunRescus mail list: > Hi, I am also interested in sun equipment. I just wanted to let people in > OH know I am in Columbus. Right now I don't have any old sparcs or > anything. I was planning on picking up a couple in the future if anyone > has some. Thanks. > -Jason Did you ever find any Sun gear? Fi so, did you get it running? -Shel From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Mon May 22 03:54:46 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:54:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: Hi All, I'm trying to get an IBM DRVS-09V 9.1G LVD SCSI drive working on a Sun SPARCstation. The drive connector is a 68-way micro-D, and I'm using a 68-way to 50-way IDC converter to put the drive in a 411 box. I'm then connecting the 411 to the SCSI-2 connector of the base unit. I've tried both a SPARCstation 5 and 10. Neither the PROM probe-scsi command or UNIX see the drive. The drive does spin-up on power-up (not tried removing the jumper to spin-up on SCSI command). I have tried jumpering the drive to turn off single-ended and wide negotiations, still nothing. Am I doing something wrong here? My understanding is that LVD should work on a SCSI-2 bus. Thanks. Chris. From twmaster at earthlink.net Mon May 22 04:35:32 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 05:35:32 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: Unless that is one of the Multi-mode drives, i.e. SE or LVD it will not work. The Sparc Stations use SE (single-ended) SCSI, where that drive is LVD (low voltage differential) SCSI. If you are lucky you have not let the magic smoke out of the drive or the controllers. You run a high risk of destroying the electronics on the drive or the controller by mixing SE with differential. Cheers, Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Powell To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 4:54 AM Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to get an IBM DRVS-09V 9.1G LVD SCSI drive working on a Sun > SPARCstation. The drive connector is a 68-way micro-D, and I'm using > a 68-way to 50-way IDC converter to put the drive in a 411 box. I'm > then connecting the 411 to the SCSI-2 connector of the base unit. I've > tried both a SPARCstation 5 and 10. Neither the PROM probe-scsi command > or UNIX see the drive. The drive does spin-up on power-up (not tried > removing the jumper to spin-up on SCSI command). > > I have tried jumpering the drive to turn off single-ended and wide > negotiations, still nothing. > > Am I doing something wrong here? My understanding is that LVD should work > on a SCSI-2 bus. > > Thanks. > > > Chris. > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From koch at pz.pirmasens.de Mon May 22 04:42:21 2000 From: koch at pz.pirmasens.de (Peter Koch) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:42:21 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... now what to run on it????? Message-ID: Hi Bob! >...a fine and complete 3/60 pizzabox thingie. The Sun 3/60 is IMHO the best design of the Sun3 series. And it was the best selling Sun ever in these days. Thus it is not a rare machine. >...what might folks suggest to run on such >a fine ancient old dinosaur? Why not run SunOS 4.1.1 on it? I do and i enjoy it very much. Or run NetBSD on it. Works like a charm. >What are the usual ram configs for a 3/60? The more the better. The 3/60 can hold 24 standard 1 MB SIMMS with parity. That is a HUGE amout of memory for such a slow machine, but either SunOS or NetBSD will gladly make use if it. >What would be a usable os to run on it, if it only has 4M ram? Nothing, seriously. I have some 3/50 which have 4 MB soldered onto the mainboard and these are pretty useless, cause they start paging and swapping as soon as you start a gcc or X11. Memory is dirt cheap for the 3/60. If you were located in europe, i'd send you 24 MB. And it's normal 30 pin SIMM which can be found in many PeeCees. You only need such SIMMs with parity (e.g. 9 or 3 chip). Mac SIMMs won't work. >I have SunOS 3.5, 4.1.1U1... If you want to go with 4 MB, try 3.5. >Anyting strange in getting a 3/60 up? No. pretty cool thing and almost painless. Software installation is exactly the same as on the 3/160 or 3/260, but the hardware isn't that complicated. The only thing you should know are the jumpers near the battery. There are six jumpers (marked 4,8,12,16,20,24) which determine the amount of RAM, one switches between AUI and BNC (called EXTUR) and one switches resolution from 1152x900 to 1600x1280 (HIRES). That's it! >Where would one find any on-line docs... Sun3/3x-Archive, Peters Sun3 Zoo, ... >Will it run a 150mb tape, or only a 60mb tape? It will run a 60 MB tape drive. Get the newest PROM images from the sun3arc and then it will do with 150 MB streamer too. Tschuess Peter From davis at skink.net Mon May 22 08:07:44 2000 From: davis at skink.net (John F. Davis) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:07:44 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Message-ID: Hello Will sparc20 memory work in a sparc 5? How about a sparc 10? John From GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL Mon May 22 08:16:20 2000 From: GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL (Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:16:20 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Message-ID: John, SS20 -> SS10 = Maybe (Size and Speed issues) SS20 -> SS5 = NOPE (different form factor) SS10 -> SS20 = OK Put your part numbers on the list. Someone with a Field Engineer Handbook could give you the straight skinny. DG Dave Garten Coml: (703) 614-4616 -----Original Message----- From: John F. Davis [mailto:davis at skink.net] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 9:08 AM To: rescue at sunhelp.org Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Hello Will sparc20 memory work in a sparc 5? How about a sparc 10? John _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 22 08:24:32 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... continuing funzies... Message-ID: > Hi Bob! Guten tag, mein freund..... and all the others aboard.... > >...a fine and complete 3/60 pizzabox thingie. > > The Sun 3/60 is IMHO the best design of the Sun3 series. > And it was the best selling Sun ever in these days. > Thus it is not a rare machine. Well, at 5 bucks, I was a sucker for it. You know me and junk Suns.... After some scrounging and hair-pulling, I managed to get it going on a serial console, for testing. Also, I ripped out the 1M ram sticks from an old dead SS1, and now the thing has 24M ram. The ROM is 2.8.3. Yuk! All my spare tape transports are 150mb things. I put all my spare 60mb transports into my 3 VME crates, and I won't rob any of those to get the 3/60 going. My luck on old tape drives is getting thin. Can anyone burn me a spare 3.0.X bootprom? Alas, I don't have facilities to do that anymore, although I used to do a lot of that in the S100 days. I don't even have my eprom eraser anymore.... gads, getting soft here.... IFF someone can, email me directly to follow up on it. I am a bit confused on the eprom numbers. One source says 3.0.1 is the one to use for tape, and another says that won't work, and 3.0.2 is the one for both 150mb tape and cdrom????? Which is correct? Another source says 2.8 will boot from QIC150, yet my 2.8.3 would not. Confusing. Ideally, I would like to be able to boot from cd and from QIC-150 tape, so which boot prom image is required for that? It seems to work fine, otherwise. I tried bringing it up on my 1152/900 mono monitor, but it would not sync to it, in either jumper position. That does not seem right. Yet, the monitor came up on the 3/80. Is there something else I am doing wrong on it to get the monitor going? Could I have a blown video section on the motherboard? Yuk.... Any way to test that offhand? I will have to reinvestigate the junk pile later this week and see if there may be any more of the 3/60's about. Maybe I picked up a dud. Danke schon... Peter. Bob From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Mon May 22 08:44:38 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:44:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: SPARCplug Message-ID: On Sat, 20 May 2000 00:39:36 -0400 (EDT) nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > Hmmm. Odd, the only thing I know of that runs 26MicroD is Fast Ethernet > MII (it's AUI equiv). Is that possible? > Nick Could be MII/AUI yes. However, the SS10/LX/SS5 etc. parallel port is also 26-way microD. Luckily Sun saw sense and gave the MII/AUI and parallel connectors slightly different latches - sensible as they are one above each other on some (all?) machines. Chris. From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 22 09:19:38 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:19:38 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Powell [mailto:Chris_Powell at mitel.com] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:55 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to get an IBM DRVS-09V 9.1G LVD SCSI drive working on a Sun > SPARCstation. The drive connector is a 68-way micro-D, and I'm using > a 68-way to 50-way IDC converter to put the drive in a 411 box. I'm > then connecting the 411 to the SCSI-2 connector of the base unit. I've > tried both a SPARCstation 5 and 10. Neither the PROM > probe-scsi command > or UNIX see the drive. The drive does spin-up on power-up (not tried > removing the jumper to spin-up on SCSI command). > > I have tried jumpering the drive to turn off single-ended and wide > negotiations, still nothing. I think that you probably want WIDE set to OFF, and SE set to ON. Assuming that those machines still have SCSI at all, that should be what it takes to get it working. > Am I doing something wrong here? My understanding is that LVD > should work > on a SCSI-2 bus. As Mike said, a drive that is just LVD will only work on LVD busses. Most LVD drives also have a jumper to enable/disable LVD, which puts the drive in SE (single ended), which is the "normal" SCSI from older machines. Greg From brt at osk.sema.se Mon May 22 08:45:19 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:45:19 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Message-ID: John F. Davis wrote: > > Hello > > Will sparc20 memory work in a sparc 5? How about a sparc 10? No. SPARC 5 memory will only work on SPARC 5 and SPARC 4 platforms. (not counting any possible clones) Generally, SPARC 20 memory (with 60ns timing) will work on everything from SPARC 10 through Ultra 1, Ultra 2 and possibly forward. SPARC 10 memory (with 70ns timing) will only work on SPARC 10, although if your SPARC 10 happend to be equipped with 60ns memory modules, you can reuse these on 20's, U1's and forward. Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but the SPARC 10 can't run with 32MB modules? Only 16MB and 64MB, whereas all the other can run 16MB, 32MB and 64MB. /Regards, Bjorn From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 22 11:02:25 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:02:25 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bjrn Ramqvist [mailto:brt at osk.sema.se] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:45 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] sparc 5 memory ?= sparc 20 memory > > John F. Davis wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > Will sparc20 memory work in a sparc 5? How about a sparc 10? > > No. SPARC 5 memory will only work on SPARC 5 and SPARC 4 > platforms. (not > counting any possible clones) I thought James said that you could run it in some of the BIG machines, if you cut a small notch it there so that it would fit in the slot. Maybe I'm halucinating again, who knows... > Generally, SPARC 20 memory (with 60ns timing) will work on everything > from SPARC 10 through Ultra 1, Ultra 2 and possibly forward. SPARC 10 > memory (with 70ns timing) will only work on SPARC 10, although if your > SPARC 10 happend to be equipped with 60ns memory modules, you > can reuse > these on 20's, U1's and forward. > > Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but the SPARC 10 can't run with 32MB > modules? > Only 16MB and 64MB, whereas all the other can run 16MB, 32MB and 64MB. That sounds right to me, although I suspect that it's another one of those deals where it doesn't really work, but sometimes does. I don't have a 10, so I can't play around with it myself. Greg P.S. if this comes in a weird character set, it's not my fault! :-) From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 22 11:05:40 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Drive boxes for 3/60 for 4 x 5.25 HD's ???? Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone knew of any HD boxes for something like a Sun 3/60 that would hold 4x5.25 inch full height HD's? Everything I see in surplus seems to hold 2 drives horizontally or vertically. Something that might hold 4 on edge horizontally, or 4 in a vertical stack might be of interest. Anyone seen anything like that floating around? What should I be looking for brandwise? Bob From billj at calweb.com Mon May 22 11:05:29 2000 From: billj at calweb.com (William Janssen) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:05:29 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... continuing funzies... Message-ID: Bob I picked up three more tape drives for parts. Don't know if they work but one may be useful for your 3/60. I can check one out if you can use it. I have two Wangtek 5360 ES and one Archive 2150 S. Also I have a 3/60 with OS 4.1.1. I can make a copy of the boot tapes if you need them. Also I have a Eprom burner so can burn a Eprom if you point me to the software you want. I will have to fire up my 3/60 and see what prom version I have. I remember burning an updated prom for one of my machines. Every time I see a tape drive in the junk I check the rubber and if its good I grab the drive. Bill K7NOM BSD Bob wrote: > The ROM is 2.8.3. Yuk! All my spare tape transports are 150mb things. > I put all my spare 60mb transports into my 3 VME crates, and I won't > rob any of those to get the 3/60 going. My luck on old tape drives > is getting thin. > > Can anyone burn me a spare 3.0.X bootprom? Alas, I don't have facilities > to do that anymore, although I used to do a lot of that in the S100 days. > I don't even have my eprom eraser anymore.... gads, getting soft here.... > IFF someone can, email me directly to follow up on it. > > I am a bit confused on the eprom numbers. One source says 3.0.1 is the > one to use for tape, and another says that won't work, and 3.0.2 is > the one for both 150mb tape and cdrom????? Which is correct? > > Another source says 2.8 will boot from QIC150, yet my 2.8.3 would not. > Confusing. From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 22 12:08:45 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] 3/60 toy today.... continuing funzies... Message-ID: > I picked up three more tape drives for parts. Don't know if they work > but one may be useful for your 3/60. I can check one out if you can use > it. Hey, I am all ears......(:+}}... > I have two Wangtek 5360 ES and one Archive 2150 S. Those sound like 150mb drives? I would have to check the number on the Wangteks. The ones I need are 60mb, unless I can get the right prom into th3 3/60. > Also I have a 3/60 with OS 4.1.1. I can make a copy of the boot tapes > if you need them. I have those, but need a drive to mount up in some kind of little box or maybe in a dual box with an HD to bring up baby. I have plenty of boxes and plenty of drives with gooey rubber drive wheels (:+{{... > Also I have a Eprom burner so can burn a Eprom if you point me to the > software you want. I will have to fire up my 3/60 and see what > prom version I have. I remember burning an updated prom for one of my > machines. Hey.... Now we are getting into the gritty....(:+}}... The eprom images are on sun3arc.krupp.net, and I am assuming the 3.0.1 or maybe 3.0.2 is the one I need. What prom chip should I send you for burning? I can round up one, and maybe someone around here has an eraser lamp, still. (Peter Koch... you know for sure which rom on a 3/60 with 150mb tape and cd support?) > Every time I see a tape drive in the junk I check the rubber and if its > good I grab the drive. I lost all but 2 drives now with decomposing drive wheels. They are in my 3/260 and 4/260, so I don't want to mess with those. Even my RT PS/2 external drives are finaly going soft in the drive rubbers. Mebbie it is the heat/cold in the basement getting to the rubber in the winter. Dunno, yet. Mebbie I just run lots of tapes (I got about 1000 of them I use for boots, backups and source storage). > Bill K7NOM Thanks Bill ZUT OM DE NA4G/Bob UP From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon May 22 12:28:32 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:28:32 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Date on the first Sun4m? Message-ID: What was the first Sun4m machine, and about when was it introduced? My guess would be the Classic, but I have no idea when. Any pointers? Greg From kurthuhn at k-huhn.com Mon May 22 13:15:49 2000 From: kurthuhn at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:15:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Date on the first Sun4m? Message-ID: http://www.black-cube.net/Sun This has a lot of info that may prove useful. Kurt ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Leblanc To: Sun Rescue List (E-mail) Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: [SunRescue] Date on the first Sun4m? > What was the first Sun4m machine, and about when was it introduced? My > guess would be the Classic, but I have no idea when. Any pointers? > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From james at foonly.com Mon May 22 15:01:25 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Date on the first Sun4m? Message-ID: On Mon, 22 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > What was the first Sun4m machine, and about when was it introduced? My > guess would be the Classic, but I have no idea when. Any pointers? 4/600MP. Early 1992, if memory serves. The Classic didn't arrive until 1993 (first I see of it is on my July '93 pricelists). -James From earl at baugh.org Mon May 22 17:23:14 2000 From: earl at baugh.org (Earl Baugh) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 10's and 32MB memory Message-ID: Sparc 10's CAN use 32MB simms, if you've got the right PROM. I've seen a 10 loaded up with 32's....worked just fine. The Magic Prom was one of the Ross hypersparc ones from what I recall. Earl From brt at osk.sema.se Tue May 23 01:29:16 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:29:16 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 10's and 32MB memory Message-ID: Earl Baugh wrote: > > Sparc 10's CAN use 32MB simms, if you've got the right > PROM. I've seen a 10 loaded up with 32's....worked just > fine. The Magic Prom was one of the Ross hypersparc ones > from what I recall. Aaah. Something for the Sun-Ref to take notice... You have any idea what ROM-version this could have been? (Does this apply to all HyperSPARC-PROMs?) /Regards, Bjorn From brt at osk.sema.se Tue May 23 02:28:16 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:28:16 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Melting SS5? Message-ID: Time for some experimenting. >:-) Now and then people often wonder if it's generally possible to put a 7200rpm drive into a SS5 (SS4, SS20) without actually cooking that little pecker. Last night I had the wonderful opportunity to loan a Fujitsu MAG3091LC to try a little "experiment". This drive is a 9GB 10000rpm Wide Ultra-2 SCSI drive with an SCA-2 inderface, and ofcourse is LVD (Low-Voltage Differential, like a U2W-drives), 2MB cache and with just 5ms access-time! This one has a 16-pin jumperblock, making up to 8 pairs of jumpers, controlling (from left to right) ID0-3 (SCSI ID 0-15), WRITE PROT, START CMD, SINGLE/WIDE and DIFFSENS. This drive was factory set att Wide & Differential, so I just put two little jumpers across the last jumper pairs to "degrade" this drive to a somewhat more pleasent speed the SS5 could handle. :-) (Thus disabling both Wide and Differential capability) First of all this is a black and chrome HEAVY beauty, almost 0.7kg, which is waaay heavier than for example my 500MB Seagate drive which came original in SS5. :-) This one actually has some sort of "fins" near the SCA-connector which probably made me wonder if this was going to dissipate alot of heat. Anyway, I mounted the drive on a Sun-colored plastic sled and tried fitting it in the bottom part of the SS5. It sat there nicely and I tried starting up my 70MHz monster. At first the drive was rock-silent, as I would expect from the "START CMD"-jumper disabled. After just a few seconds it started accelerating, and beeing a 10000rpm drive this is, I would have expect some MAJOR noise from this one! Nope. Infact, when it has spun up to all it's glory, it went almost silent. Good. Not that all dead-silent as my Seagate ST34520N (a Conner design) 7200rpm, but very close. By that time I closed the cover, just to make sure proper airflow and try listening to the "real" sound enviroment. I put a DEC RRD45 into my Aurora-2 beauty and tried booting Solaris 2.6 install. (Don't ask me why I love 2.6 above all other versions) I filled in all those necessary pieces of information and started a full install of Sol 2.6. I even ended up having my dinner served and went to the gym, but hurried back to check out the progress. As I would have expected, it was finished with the installations, and was up and running. I tried logging in and carefully listen to the "funky sound" of that little speedster running in my SS5. Nice sound. :-) I shut the whole thing down to console-mode and opened the cover just to check the temperature of the drive. Remember, this was a single drive, along with a CDROM sitting there, so it might have been just the appropriate airflow to hold this one cooled. I touched the drive. Warm. Every drive gets warm, this one just slightly warmer than all the usual 5400rpm ones. Ofcourse, you'd all expect that I'd been cooking this speedster, but nope! I touched the CPU just for comparisation and couldn't hold my fingers on it for more than 1-2 seconds. conclusion: After all, this worked out just fine. I've never ever seen my slow 70MHz SS5-monster beeing this rapid and responsive as with this drive, very probably because of the ultra-low 5ms bad-ass access-time! And just to assure everyone of you concerning the (almost non-excistent) heat-problems; get one of those "SS20"-fankits out there, which is placed right in between the CDROM and the harddrive. This should certainly keep the drive well under any hazardous temperatures. But just to make sure, don't put the SPARC trapped in some sort of under-ventilated box cause that would probably raise temperature. I don't see any risk whatsoever in putting a drive like this into your favourite desktop machine if you keep it with just one drive. This was a 9GB model, but there are 18GB models available also, (hence named MAG3182LC) so that should be very well enough to put inside a SS5/20. fact: "Why on EARTH did you put a 10000rpm drive into this baby anyway???" I had the opportunity. This drive was labeled COMPAQ, which itself turns into the fact that I've bought this for my job as an add-on drive. Compaq REFUSE to sell anything less than 10000rpm drives nowadays, so I suspect others will follow along that path. Even now there are a huge need for 7200rpm drives, so all those 5400rpm would probably disappear. /Regards, Bjorn From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue May 23 11:58:20 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:58:20 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: ok, I've finally got an SBUS ethernet card, but I need a cable so that I can attach it to my TP network. The card is PN: 501-1869, a SCSI/ethernet card. The connector on the back looks like a micro-centronics thing, with (I think) 14-pins. Anybody got a line on these cables? Greg From a222 at redrose.net Tue May 23 12:30:44 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:30:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: > ok, I've finally got an SBUS ethernet card, but I need a cable so that I can > attach it to my TP network. The card is PN: 501-1869, a SCSI/ethernet card. > The connector on the back looks like a micro-centronics thing, with (I > think) 14-pins. Anybody got a line on these cables? > Greg It is probably an AUI (attachment unit interface) connector. They are widely available. Call your local networking/cabling guys and see if you can get a used one for about $3.00. I have an extra one I could sell you for a couple bucks. Note: you need to decide whether you want 10BaseT or 10Base2 connectors. Probably you want 10BaseT. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue May 23 15:01:46 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:01:46 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Giagnocavo [mailto:a222 at redrose.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:31 AM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card > > > ok, I've finally got an SBUS ethernet card, but I need a > cable so that I can > > attach it to my TP network. The card is PN: 501-1869, a > SCSI/ethernet card. > > The connector on the back looks like a micro-centronics > thing, with (I > > think) 14-pins. Anybody got a line on these cables? > > Greg > > It is probably an AUI (attachment unit interface) connector. > > They are widely available. Call your local > networking/cabling guys and see > if you can get a used one for about $3.00. I have an extra > one I could sell > you for a couple bucks. I've got AUI to 10baseT converters, I've been using them for ages on other machines. This is NOT the same thing that's on the motherboard of my SS330. > Note: you need to decide whether you want 10BaseT or 10Base2 > connectors. > Probably you want 10BaseT. Yeah, that's what I meant by TP, as in Twisted Pair. Anybody else know what connector this thing might take? Greg From twmaster at earthlink.net Tue May 23 15:19:17 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:19:17 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: I have that cable new. I will need to look and see which flavor of it I have, which means a trip to the warehouse, it comes in twisted pair and AUI IIRC. Anyway I know I have one. Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Leblanc To: Sun Rescue List (E-mail) Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card > ok, I've finally got an SBUS ethernet card, but I need a cable so that I can > attach it to my TP network. The card is PN: 501-1869, a SCSI/ethernet card. > The connector on the back looks like a micro-centronics thing, with (I > think) 14-pins. Anybody got a line on these cables? > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From twmaster at earthlink.net Tue May 23 15:21:54 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:21:54 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] cable for ethernet card Message-ID: > It is probably an AUI (attachment unit interface) connector. It is an AUI cable, however it is not the same as used on a Macintosh, you will let the magic smoke out if you try to connect a Mac AAUI cable Mike N From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 24 22:49:55 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:49:55 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for low-cost 2 Gig SCA drives??? Full-height drives? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01BFC5DA.C3144090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Found this offer in my mailbox - company seems reasonable, but beware, I have no connection with them: = http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept_id=3D7&sku=3DST32105WC 2.1 Gig SCA 1" high drives for $35/each... They also have one of my all-time favorite drives, Seagate 3.5 Gig = (formats down to 2.9 Gig) 5 1/4" full-height drives for $25/each: = http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=3D7&sku=3DST43400N I hope this helps anyone looking for storage... Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01BFC5DA.C3144090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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n2vip at bellatlantic.net<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01BFC5DA.C3144090-- From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue May 23 23:56:14 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:56:14 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for low-cost 2 Gig SCA drives??? Full-height drives? Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 11:49:55PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Found this offer in my mailbox - company seems reasonable, but beware, I > have no connection with them: > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept_id=7&sku=ST32105WC > 2.1 Gig SCA 1" high drives for $35/each... > They also have one of my all-time favorite drives, Seagate 3.5 Gig (formats down > to 2.9 Gig) 5 1/4" full-height drives for $25/each: > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST43400N > I hope this helps anyone looking for storage... > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net I"ve done a TON of business with them; never had a problem, plus you get free jellybeans with each order. 8-) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 24 23:51:51 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:51:51 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FA: Sun PCi acution at ebay... Message-ID: Well, since I ordered my Ultra 2 system I have no use for this card, so I am listing it on ebay with a starting bid of $200, in a 3 day auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=340575333 I encourage anyone interested, to bid accordingly - if you mention the sunrescue mailing list I will pay for shipping myself (Con. US only - sorry). Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Wed May 24 07:43:02 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:43:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: On Mon, 22 May 2000 05:35:32 -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote: > Unless that is one of the Multi-mode drives, i.e. SE or LVD it will not > work. > > The Sparc Stations use SE (single-ended) SCSI, where that drive is LVD (low > voltage differential) SCSI. If you are lucky you have not let the magic > smoke out of the drive or the controllers. You run a high risk of destroying > the electronics on the drive or the controller by mixing SE with > differential. The LVD standard is far funkier than just being differential. Proper LVD drives should sense if the bus is SE or differential, 8-bit or 16-bit and work accordingly. Really rather impressive! Still, it doesn't explain why my drive doesn't work. Chris. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Powell > To: > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 4:54 AM > Subject: [SunRescue] LVD drive on SCSI-2 > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm trying to get an IBM DRVS-09V 9.1G LVD SCSI drive working on a Sun > > SPARCstation. The drive connector is a 68-way micro-D, and I'm using > > a 68-way to 50-way IDC converter to put the drive in a 411 box. I'm > > then connecting the 411 to the SCSI-2 connector of the base unit. I've > > tried both a SPARCstation 5 and 10. Neither the PROM probe-scsi command > > or UNIX see the drive. The drive does spin-up on power-up (not tried > > removing the jumper to spin-up on SCSI command). > > > > I have tried jumpering the drive to turn off single-ended and wide > > negotiations, still nothing. > > > > Am I doing something wrong here? My understanding is that LVD should work > > on a SCSI-2 bus. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Chris. From mvergall at double-barrel.be Wed May 24 07:55:14 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:55:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] Need some parts ! Message-ID: Hi, Dous anyone have a HD of 2 - 4 GB for in a IPX ? my disc died so I need a replacement disc. This is the system that I use as my mail server. So I put in a spare disc I have but that one is only a 1 GB so not enough space. Will pay for disc & shipment. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 From twmaster at earthlink.net Wed May 24 08:09:01 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:09:01 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Re: LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: > The LVD standard is far funkier than just being differential. Proper > LVD drives should sense if the bus is SE or differential, 8-bit or > 16-bit and work accordingly. Really rather impressive! > That explains a few things, I myself am just now being able to afford nice drives like the new LVD's Mike N From kurt at csh.rit.edu Wed May 24 10:39:41 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SBus Ethernet card... Message-ID: I know these are in high demand, but I'm looking for an SBus ethernet card. I'm putting together a masquerading firewall for a local school, but I need a second ethernet interface for it. Can anyone help me out? --Kurt -- From a222 at redrose.net Wed May 24 11:05:44 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:05:44 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SBus Ethernet card... Message-ID: > I know these are in high demand, but I'm looking > for an SBus ethernet card. I'm putting together > a masquerading firewall for a local school, but > I need a second ethernet interface for it. Can > anyone help me out? > > --Kurt Hi Kurt, I have one, but I want to trade for a differential SCSI adapter. Any chance you have one of those? Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 24 11:42:36 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:42:36 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody need a diff<->SE scsi adapter? Message-ID: Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi adapter? Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From james at foonly.com Wed May 24 11:47:05 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Re: LVD drive on SCSI-2 Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Chris Powell wrote: > The LVD standard is far funkier than just being differential. Proper > LVD drives should sense if the bus is SE or differential, 8-bit or > 16-bit and work accordingly. Really rather impressive! In most cases LVD can fall back to SE mode. It cannot fall back to HVD (high voltage differential or just "differential"). The reason for developing LVD in the first place was that HVD line drivers couldn't be efficiently packaged into a controller ASIC and this made HVD cards more expensive. LVD uses TTL signalling levels, this gives it less range than HVD but makes it cheaper. -James From nick at ns.snowman.net Wed May 24 12:19:13 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody need a diff<->SE scsi adapter? Message-ID: I could find a use for one. I've got one running a chain of 9gig drives, but I'd sorta like to split them up. Nick On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > adapter? > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From james at foonly.com Wed May 24 12:30:37 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for low-cost 2 Gig SCA drives??? Full-height drives? Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > They also have one of my all-time favorite drives, Seagate 3.5 Gig (formats down > to 2.9 Gig) 5 1/4" full-height drives for $25/each: > > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST43400N If anyone is looking for the differential variant of this (ST43401ND, fast/wide/diff) I have upwards of a dozen of them brand new in OEM packaging. Asking $10/ea plus shipping in quantity. 2.1GB fast/narrow/diff $5/ea in quantity. Thanks, -James From mvergall at double-barrel.be Wed May 24 13:23:15 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: Hi, I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my question is will it work in a IPX ? Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Wed May 24 13:42:03 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody need a diff<->SE scsi adapter? Message-ID: > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > adapter? Would something like that allow me to hang an IBM differential scsi 9 track tape system on my IPX or SS1's? I picked up a perfectly fine IBM tape drive for almost nothing in surplus, but, the danged thing is differential (they used both but my luck was not with me apparently). Bob From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 24 13:47:59 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:47:59 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody need a diff<->SE scsi adapter? Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 02:42:03PM -0400, BSD Bob wrote: > > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > > adapter? > Would something like that allow me to hang an IBM differential scsi > 9 track tape system on my IPX or SS1's? I picked up a perfectly fine > IBM tape drive for almost nothing in surplus, but, the danged thing is > differential (they used both but my luck was not with me apparently). > Bob Yeah, it would, if you had the right cables. My adapter is going to James Lockwood, but I got it from hitechcafe for $25 a couple weeks back. Looking now, they're still selling them (DEC DWZZB-MA), but they're $49 now: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=1&sku=DWZZB+MA What you get is a circuit board with two ultra-high-density 68-pin female connectors and a standard disk-drive-type power connector; its intended to be an embedded solution but you can just tape it to the inside of a disk enclosure or whatever. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 24 14:21:34 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: On May 24, Michael C. Vergallen wrote: > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > question is will it work in a IPX ? It should work fine...it may need to be jumpered to spin up on powerup, but that should be your only concern. I've used those drives on many, many different kinds of systems. -Dave McGuire From kurt at csh.rit.edu Wed May 24 14:22:10 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SBus Ethernet card... Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > Hi Kurt, > > I have one, but I want to trade for a differential SCSI adapter. > > Any chance you have one of those? > > Cordially > > Patrick Giagnocavo > a222 at redrose.net Alas, I wish I did, but I don't =( --Kurt From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed May 24 15:12:43 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:12:43 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Need CG3 Message-ID: Anybody got a CG3 for sale cheap? I need to thrrow a framebuffer in the old SunHELP server. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mvergall at double-barrel.be Wed May 24 15:21:13 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:21:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: Okey thanks then I will get one of those drives at 59 USD for a HH disk, not bad I think.. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 24 May 2000, Dave McGuire wrote: > On May 24, Michael C. Vergallen wrote: > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > It should work fine...it may need to be jumpered to spin up on > powerup, but that should be your only concern. I've used those drives > on many, many different kinds of systems. > > -Dave McGuire > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From kurt at csh.rit.edu Wed May 24 15:57:19 2000 From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Need CG3 Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody got a CG3 for sale cheap? > > I need to thrrow a framebuffer in the old SunHELP server. > > Bill > I've got like 4 or 5 kicking around. Give me your address and it's yours. --Kurt From hiryu at transvirtual.com Wed May 24 17:22:13 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:22:13 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of that I'm afraid. I suppose if nothing can be done I'll just break down and buy a monitor adapter. Thanks. From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 24 18:24:46 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. > All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I > wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I > connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. > > The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the > obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, > stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of > that I'm afraid. In SunOS4.x, the default rc scripts will look for /etc/hostname.le0, which should contain the machine's hostname. That is then looked up in /etc/hosts to get the IP address for that interface (le0). -Dave McGuire From hiryu at transvirtual.com Wed May 24 19:12:03 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:12:03 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:24:46PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: I did edit those two files so maybe something happened and it's not actually booting anymore. Guess I'll just have to break down and get an adapter after all. Thanks. > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. > > All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I > > wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I > > connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. > > > > The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the > > obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > > > I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, > > stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of > > that I'm afraid. > > In SunOS4.x, the default rc scripts will look for /etc/hostname.le0, > which should contain the machine's hostname. That is then looked up > in /etc/hosts to get the IP address for that interface (le0). > > -Dave McGuire > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 24 19:16:43 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: Why not just string a serial cable to ttya and log in via serial console? -Dave McGuire On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:24:46PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > I did edit those two files so maybe something happened and it's not actually > booting anymore. Guess I'll just have to break down and get an adapter after > all. > > Thanks. > > > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > > I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. > > > All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I > > > wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I > > > connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. > > > > > > The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the > > > obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > > > > > I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, > > > stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of > > > that I'm afraid. > > > > In SunOS4.x, the default rc scripts will look for /etc/hostname.le0, > > which should contain the machine's hostname. That is then looked up > > in /etc/hosts to get the IP address for that interface (le0). > > > > -Dave McGuire > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From hiryu at transvirtual.com Wed May 24 19:39:14 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:39:14 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:16:43PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Why not just string a serial cable to ttya and log in via serial > console? Sounds like a good idea, but I'm fairly inexperienced at sun hardware so I'm not entirely sure how to do that. > -Dave McGuire > > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:24:46PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > I did edit those two files so maybe something happened and it's not actually > > booting anymore. Guess I'll just have to break down and get an adapter after > > all. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > > > I have a sparc classic and no monitor that I would like to get it going. > > > > All I really need to do at this point is get it on the network, where I > > > > wouldn't need a monitor for it. I can read and write to the drive if I > > > > connect it to the scsi controller on a linux box with ufs support compiled in. > > > > > > > > The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? I don't remember the exact SunOS version but it's 4.1, 4.1.1, or 4.2. I've edited a few of the > > > > obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure the thing still boots up. I booted it up about a month ago, > > > > stuck a network cord in it, and monitored the network and the sparc was sending out arp requests. Since I've edited those few files, I no longer get any of > > > > that I'm afraid. > > > > > > In SunOS4.x, the default rc scripts will look for /etc/hostname.le0, > > > which should contain the machine's hostname. That is then looked up > > > in /etc/hosts to get the IP address for that interface (le0). > > > > > > -Dave McGuire > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed May 24 19:44:18 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:16:43PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > Why not just string a serial cable to ttya and log in via serial > > console? > > Sounds like a good idea, but I'm fairly inexperienced at sun hardware so I'm not entirely sure how to do that. It really has little or nothing to do with anything Sun-specific. Give this a try: I assume you've got a working machine with a comm program on it, or a real terminal. Get a serial cable plus whatever gender-benders you'll need to connect the two serially. If there's a keyboard plugged into the SPARCstation, unplug it. Power it up. If you don't see the bootup messages, you'll need to insert a null modem into the serial line. -Dave McGuire From earl at baugh.org Wed May 24 21:13:24 2000 From: earl at baugh.org (Earl Baugh) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 10's and 32MB memory Message-ID: >Earl Baugh wrote: >> >> Sparc 10's CAN use 32MB simms, if you've got the right >> PROM. I've seen a 10 loaded up with 32's....worked just >> fine. The Magic Prom was one of the Ross hypersparc ones >> from what I recall. > >Aaah. Something for the Sun-Ref to take notice... >You have any idea what ROM-version this could have been? >(Does this apply to all HyperSPARC-PROMs?) > > > /Regards, Bjorn I'll have to check. I believe the machine was running 125's but I'll have to call the guy who I had set up the box and see if he recalls. (He was working at a Sun VAR when I stopped by and saw the machine, so I suspect this was a pretty well understood configuration.....) Earl From a222 at redrose.net Wed May 24 22:17:14 2000 From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:17:14 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Hi, I have 2 system boards for my SS1000, thus have 4 MBus slots. 2 of those slots are filled with either 40 or 50Mhz CPUs. Both are on the first system board. If I get two more CPUs to fit on the second board, do they have to be the same speed, or can they be different speeds from the CPUs on the first board (like SM81's which run at 85Mhz)? Anyone know? Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo a222 at redrose.net From ron at ronguye.com Wed May 24 23:07:31 2000 From: ron at ronguye.com (Ron Nguyen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:07:31 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: Has anyone else experienced HD failures in IPX (or any lunch boxes for that matter)? The reason I ask is because I recently had a couple of HDs go bad in my IPX's. One was a 2GB the other was a 4GB. They were in two differing IPX's and happened within about four months apart. I'm wondering if it might be due to heat or something. They originally came with 200 or 400 MB drives. Thanks, Ron Nguyen "Michael C. Vergallen" wrote: > Hi, > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > Michael > --- > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL Thu May 18 08:06:49 2000 From: GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL (Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:06:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... Message-ID: Patrick, Those 540's Mike mentions "under the hood" are on /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/ - *dma at 0,81000* - that's the internal controller (and SCSI card) on the XDBUS. It is the "half" card located on top of the front drive tray assembly with the reset button and DB25 female socket on it. Plugs into the XDBUS opposite the motherboards. Usually holds the machine specific information (ser #, ethernet, etc.) /io-unit at f,e1200000 is the interface to the XDBUS on the second motherboard (1). /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/ - *dma at 1,81000* is on the first motherboard (0) and is where the 548 (SCSI tray) is connected (SCSI port on back of board). /sbi at 0,0 is the SBUS interface on that board. /esp at 1,80000 is an individual SBUS "plug" on that board and on an SS1000 motherboard it's the SBUS interface dedicated to the on-board SCSI. Me thinks you are going to have to build a /dev reference to this "external" SCSI bus and drive. What I hear is that the operating system does not recognize the presence of the device. Adding devices is not always trivial... Have you done a "boot -r" with the drive tray attached? I don't know for sure, but some SBUS cards can go unrecognized on SPARCstation's without one. Moving an ethernet card over an SBUS slot is an example. It "disappears" until you reboot with the -r option. The -r option apparently rewrites the /dev file for the card so it can be "found" by the OS. Your SCSI tray is similar in that it is a "new" device on the XDBUS. There might be no way for Solaris to see it until a /dev entry is written. The prom does see it (probe-scsi-all found it) but otherwise you can't get at it, right? Failing the -r option, try mounting it using the entire device name..."/io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/esp at 1,80000/sd at 0,2". The /sd at 0,2 is not unique without the preceding interface details. A "boot disk 2" command from the ok prompt will default to the /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 unit since it is the "first" in search order. Device numbers on the SCSI tray are preset. You have placed your 548 in the "ID2" socket. SCA drives get their "number" from the "socket" you place them in (In a Sparc 20 it's ID3 for the bottom socket, top socket is ID0 (or is it 1?-I forget!)) q-8] Good luck DG Dave Garten Coml: (703) 614-4616 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Nicewonger [mailto:twmaster at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:32 PM To: rescue at sunhelp.org Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... In the front of that machine, behind the face cover and next to the open drive bays, there is mounting space for up to 4 3 1/2" hard disks, so I would bet they are connected to that bus. As for the other busses I dunno. Mike N ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Giagnocavo To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparcserver 1000 and disk trays... > > The actual error messages might be instructive... > > > > DG > > OK, here is some more information: > > I have two drive trays. I only connected one, after placing ONE drive in > the tray (all others were removed). > > probe-scsi-all gives: > > /io-unit at f,e1200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 > > /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 1,81000/esp at 1,80000 > Target 2 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30548 > > /io-unit at f,e0200000/sbi at 0,0/dma at 0,81000/esp at 0,80000 > Target 0 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 1 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 2 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 3 > Unit 0 Disk CONNER CP30540 > Target 5 > Unit 0 Removable Tape EXABYTE EXB-8505SMBANSH20793 06644396 > Target 6 > Unit 0 Removable Read Only Device SONY CDU 561 SUNMSCD1.9K > > (I had to type this in, since I am using a Wyse 60 terminal on the Sun.) > > I have been trying to understand this output. > > Do I have 3 different SCSI interfaces on this system? Of just two, but one > can handle 14 devices instead of 7? Or what? > > Cordially > > Patrick Giagnocavo > a222 at redrose.net > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From brt at osk.sema.se Thu May 25 01:32:47 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:32:47 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for low-cost 2 Gig SCA drives??? Full-height drives? Message-ID: James Lockwood wrote: > > > They also have one of my all-time favorite drives, Seagate 3.5 Gig (formats down > > to 2.9 Gig) 5 1/4" full-height drives for $25/each: > > > > http://hitechcafe.com/eshop/INproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=ST43400N > > If anyone is looking for the differential variant of this (ST43401ND, > fast/wide/diff) I have upwards of a dozen of them brand new in OEM > packaging. Asking $10/ea plus shipping in quantity. 2.1GB > fast/narrow/diff $5/ea in quantity. I'd suspect shipping these all the way over to Europe would cost me a fortune... Where are you located? /Regards, Bjorn From brt at osk.sema.se Thu May 25 01:44:00 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:44:00 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > > Hi, > > I have 2 system boards for my SS1000, thus have 4 MBus slots. > > 2 of those slots are filled with either 40 or 50Mhz CPUs. Both are on the > first system board. > > If I get two more CPUs to fit on the second board, do they have to be the > same speed, or can they be different speeds from the CPUs on the first board > (like SM81's which run at 85Mhz)? A rule-of-thumb on the SS1000(E) is to always fill it up with equal CPUs. If you can't find an 'E' on the front, and you're sure that these are either SM41 or SM51, you have the "usual SS1000" model. That one, along with the SC2000, had only a 40MHz XDBus/Mbus just like the SS10. As you might suspect, the 'E'-models had a 50MHz XDBus/Mbus, and therefore ran SM61 and SM81, like the SS20. All in all, Check what kind of CPU's you have, then check the appropriate partnumber on your second board, just to make sure you didn't got an 'E'-model. (Cause if you do, you can't run it in your SS1000) Remember also that you need SMx1, models with e-cache. It won't work with cache-less SM40 or SM50. /Regards, Bjorn From koch at pz.pirmasens.de Thu May 25 03:03:41 2000 From: koch at pz.pirmasens.de (Peter Koch) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:03:41 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: Hi! >The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? >I've edited a few of the obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). Obviously you ignored the most obvious one ;-) Question: Why do make these Linux-centric guys everything so complicated? The IP-Address of the machine is stored in /etc/hosts where all other IP addresses are stored too. No fancy /etc/rc.config is needed. >I suppose if nothing can be done I'll just break down and buy a monitor adapter. Any Sun will run fine with a serial terminal as console. Tschuess Peter From mcguire at neurotica.com Thu May 25 04:13:46 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: IPXs don't have the best cooling, that's for sure...but I don't think I've ever run anything smaller than a 2gb drive in an IPX and have never had a failure... -Dave McGuire On May 24, Ron Nguyen wrote: > Has anyone else experienced HD failures in IPX (or any lunch boxes for that > matter)? The reason I ask is because I recently had a couple of HDs go bad > in my IPX's. One was a 2GB the other was a 4GB. They were in two differing > IPX's and happened within about four months apart. I'm wondering if it might > be due to heat or something. They originally came with 200 or 400 MB drives. > > Thanks, > Ron Nguyen > > "Michael C. Vergallen" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > > > Michael > > --- > > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From erico at bendcable.com Thu May 25 04:33:36 2000 From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:33:36 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: I run a 6.4 GB Quantum in my LX and it runs fine, before that, I ran it in an IPC. I think it's a 7200 rpm drive. I recently got some 2GB HP SureStore drives and they run hot as hell. I keep my coffee HOT on them. Quick off topic question... what does IPC, IPX, or LX stand for? I've heard IPC stands for Internet Personal Computer or something like that. Regards, Eric Ozrelic aka ProjektSUN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave McGuire" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! > > IPXs don't have the best cooling, that's for sure...but I don't > think I've ever run anything smaller than a 2gb drive in an IPX and > have never had a failure... > > -Dave McGuire > > On May 24, Ron Nguyen wrote: > > Has anyone else experienced HD failures in IPX (or any lunch boxes for that > > matter)? The reason I ask is because I recently had a couple of HDs go bad > > in my IPX's. One was a 2GB the other was a 4GB. They were in two differing > > IPX's and happened within about four months apart. I'm wondering if it might > > be due to heat or something. They originally came with 200 or 400 MB drives. > > > > Thanks, > > Ron Nguyen > > > > "Michael C. Vergallen" wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > > > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > > > > > Michael > > > --- > > > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > > > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > > > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > > > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From mcguire at neurotica.com Thu May 25 04:30:03 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: On May 25, Eric Ozrelic wrote: > Quick off topic question... what does IPC, IPX, or LX stand for? I've heard > IPC stands > for Internet Personal Computer or something like that. If they stand for anything (which I doubt), it certainly wouldn't be "Internet"-anything. The IPC came out well before the Internet started turning into the giant commercial cesspool that it is now, so no company would have any motivation calling their product "internet"-anything. The SPARCstations were/are simply desktop engineering workstations. -Dave McGuire From martin at dsres.com Thu May 25 09:36:28 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:36:28 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > I have 2 system boards for my SS1000, thus have 4 MBus slots. > 2 of those slots are filled with either 40 or 50Mhz CPUs. Both are on the > first system board. > If I get two more CPUs to fit on the second board, do they have to > be the same speed, or can they be different speeds from the CPUs on > the first board (like SM81's which run at 85Mhz)? There are two separate issues. Firstly, different CPU revisions need slightly different initialisation by the boot ROM, so certain combinations won't work at all. Secondly, the OS scheduler assumes all CPUs are the same speed. If they aren't, then scheduling will be non-optimal and some processes may suffer starvation. Both of these mean that mixing different CPUs is a Bad Thing. I should acknowledge that I didn't know either of these things until James Lockwood posted about them a month or so ago. ;) --m From wedge at onlineimage.com Thu May 25 09:59:29 2000 From: wedge at onlineimage.com (Matthew Haas) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SE SCSI Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > adapter? > Excuse my ignorance.. but what is this "SE" SCSI I've seen floating around the list? Is it some rather new standard or an acronym for something I readily know? ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 StarRaiders * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - - || | || Lynx/Jaguar NetBSD 1.4.2 * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - -------------------------------------------------------------------- From nick at ns.snowman.net Thu May 25 10:33:37 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SE SCSI Message-ID: It's the plain old scsi you know and love. It stands for "Single Ended" and is to differ from differential scsi. (and lvd now) Nick On Thu, 25 May 2000, Matthew Haas wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > > > > Anybody have a use for a differential-fast-wide to fast-wide-SE-scsi > > adapter? > > > > Excuse my ignorance.. but what is this "SE" SCSI I've seen floating around > the list? Is it some rather new standard or an acronym for something I > readily know? > > ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- > - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - > - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - > - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 StarRaiders * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - > - || | || Lynx/Jaguar NetBSD 1.4.2 * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From martin at dsres.com Thu May 25 10:21:05 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:21:05 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SE SCSI Message-ID: Matthew Haas wrote: > Excuse my ignorance.. but what is this "SE" SCSI I've seen floating around > the list? Is it some rather new standard or an acronym for something I > readily know? Single-Ended. The cheapest and simplest type of SCSI bus, where all the return lines for all the signals are simply connected to the same ground. Also sometimes called `normal' SCSI, as most of the controllers and drives out there are of this type. As distinct from LVD (Low Voltage Differential) and HVD (High Voltage Differential, also known simply as `differential'), where each signal's return line is driven to the opposite polarity to the signal itself. --m From GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL Thu May 25 10:38:15 2000 From: GartenD at PR.OSD.MIL (Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:38:15 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FC-AL SCSI Message-ID: Good day, Anybody got the bubble on Fiber Channel (FC) SCSI? Are there internal FC S-bus or PCI adapters? Can we use these FC drives (like ST318203LC) without nose-bleed expenses on RAID arrays? What's this about 40 pin SCA. Are there any "stand-alone" solutions in reach of mere mortals? TIA DG Dave Garten Coml: (703) 614-4616 From ward at zilla.nu Thu May 25 11:55:14 2000 From: ward at zilla.nu (ward at zilla.nu) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:55:14 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] FC-AL SCSI Message-ID: I use both SBus and PCI adapters. I like Jaycor, as they work well with EMC. Never hooked up drives directly, though. I have what looks like a 40pin SCA, but I dunno; came out of a NetApp, and they claim FC to the disk. Reagen On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 11:38:15AM -0400, Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R wrote: > Good day, > Anybody got the bubble on Fiber Channel (FC) SCSI? Are there > internal FC S-bus or PCI adapters? Can we use these FC drives (like > ST318203LC) without nose-bleed expenses on RAID arrays? What's this about > 40 pin SCA. Are there any "stand-alone" solutions in reach of mere mortals? > > TIA > > DG > Dave Garten > Coml: (703) 614-4616 > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue -- "Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat." -- John Lehman, Secretary of the US Navy 1981-1987 From sammy at oh.verio.com Thu May 25 13:11:01 2000 From: sammy at oh.verio.com (Sam Creasey) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] FC-AL SCSI Message-ID: On Thu, 25 May 2000, Garten, David N., CTR, OSD/P&R wrote: > Good day, > Anybody got the bubble on Fiber Channel (FC) SCSI? Are there > internal FC S-bus or PCI adapters? Can we use these FC drives (like > ST318203LC) without nose-bleed expenses on RAID arrays? What's this about > 40 pin SCA. Are there any "stand-alone" solutions in reach of mere mortals? 40-pin SCA is really a FC disk interface... I've got a whole bunch of cheetahs sitting upstairs like that... I've used the Qlogic 2200 FC cards under linux/i386, but never dealt with it on sparc... There "are" stand-alone solutions, but it's still pretty pricey... and any remotely cheap solution for FC is going to involve rolling your own setup, basically... -- Sam "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." -- Robert E. McElwaine From twmaster at earthlink.net Thu May 25 16:26:48 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:26:48 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: > > Secondly, the OS scheduler assumes all CPUs are the same speed. If > they aren't, then scheduling will be non-optimal and some processes > may suffer starvation. > OK, miss matched CPU's = BadThing Now, I am seeing conflicting information when poking about on the web, I have an SS1000, non-"E" model, I have recently acquired 4 new SM-81-2, that is the CPU with 2 MB cache. Can the SS1000 non E utilize the second meg of cache? or is that limited to the "E" and the SS2000? Cheers, Mike N From martin at dsres.com Thu May 25 17:24:37 2000 From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:24:37 +0100 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Mike Nicewonger wrote: > Now, I am seeing conflicting information when poking about on the web, I > have an SS1000, non-"E" model, I have recently acquired 4 new SM-81-2, that > is the CPU with 2 MB cache. Can the SS1000 non E utilize the second meg of > cache? or is that limited to the "E" and the SS2000? I believe that not even the SS1000E can use the second megabyte. The SC2000 has two independent XDBus which use one megabyte each, but the SS1000E is just an SS1000 with the XDBus at 50MHz instead of 40MHz. I may be wrong here, but I believe this is the case. My SS1000E simply has eight normal 1Mb SM61s in. (If anyone wants to send me eight SM81-2s, I'm quite happy to test them out.) ;) On a related note, does anyone have a rack-mounting kit for a SS1000 for sale/trade? --m From mvergall at double-barrel.be Thu May 25 19:32:25 2000 From: mvergall at double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:32:25 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [SunRescue] HD's in sun IPX ! Message-ID: Nope I doubdt it because if that was the case my pile of old suns would have had fried disc's every week. I think that my disc was just old ! Will check when I pull the disc but in my case I would guess that because the machine is used as a mail & homedirectory server so lots of writes & deletes to a section of the disc that the platters ended up being worn out after to my recollection 6 or 8 years ( I think the latter) of 24/7 uptime it is normal that the disc is starting to fail ( normaly they only last 5 years in my environment ). Luckily I found a replacement disc without a lot of problem. Ordered a few disc's today so to have some SCSI 50pins as spares because you really have to be lucky to still find them. Should be here tomorrow, I just told the person at www.hitechcafe.com to UPS Red them to me because I need to have my data archives on-line and now I have to search trough the hardcopy's of them and that is hell if you are like me and have a room full of paper's but don't have a decent way to store the documents so you just pile everything is whatever folder or closset you can to have it out of the way. You end up not being able to find anything. Becuase the index of my storage system is on the now defunct mail server's disc. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 24 May 2000, Ron Nguyen wrote: > Has anyone else experienced HD failures in IPX (or any lunch boxes for that > matter)? The reason I ask is because I recently had a couple of HDs go bad > in my IPX's. One was a 2GB the other was a 4GB. They were in two differing > IPX's and happened within about four months apart. I'm wondering if it might > be due to heat or something. They originally came with 200 or 400 MB drives. > > Thanks, > Ron Nguyen > > "Michael C. Vergallen" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've seen that hitechcafe has 3.5 GB Disc's for sale, the DSP3210. now my > > question is will it work in a IPX ? > > > > Michael > > --- > > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From hiryu at transvirtual.com Thu May 25 18:12:35 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:12:35 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 10:03:41AM +0200, Peter Koch wrote: > Hi! > > >The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? > >I've edited a few of the obvious files with no luck (like /etc/hostname.le0). > > Obviously you ignored the most obvious one ;-) > > Question: Why do make these Linux-centric guys everything so complicated? > > The IP-Address of the machine is stored in /etc/hosts where all other IP addresses are stored too. No fancy /etc/rc.config is needed. I did edit /etc/hosts, the system most not be booting anymore. I got the idea that I had to edit a lot of files because you do for solaris, not because I'm linux-centric. ^_^ > > >I suppose if nothing can be done I'll just break down and buy a monitor adapter. > > Any Sun will run fine with a serial terminal as console. If I had a sun with a working monitor, I wouldn't be asking these questions. I guess I have to install from scratch. Know where I can get a copy of SunOS 4.* for the SPARC Classic? > Tschuess > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From james at foonly.com Thu May 25 18:30:34 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Thu, 25 May 2000, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > >The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? ... > I did edit /etc/hosts, the system most not be booting anymore. > I got the idea that I had to edit a lot of files because you do for > solaris, not because I'm linux-centric. ^_^ The procedure for changing your IP address is idential on SunOS 4.* and all versions of Solaris. Simply change /etc/hosts. > If I had a sun with a working monitor, I wouldn't be asking these questions. Why not? -James From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 25 19:59:34 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:59:34 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] workstations.org revamped Message-ID: I've revamped workstations.org in the style of the new SunHELP page, let me know what you think (I need a differing color scheme...) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu May 25 20:11:56 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:11:56 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] Anybody want wireless ethernet? Message-ID: I've got a pile (actually, two) Proxim RangeLAN/ISA wireless ethernet networking cards, and a new-in-box Proxim RangeLAN/PCMCIA kit, along with a floppy disk with the "latest" (last) revision of all the drivers for the pile. These are wireless ethernet cards that work with DOS / Novell / Windows Networking (but NOT with Win95 or higher, unless you want to write your own drivers). I beleive they run at around 256k for data transfer. These are *NOT* the RangeLAN/2 or Symphony 802.11-standard-based cards; these are the original thing, circa '92-93ish. Anybody want these tot play with them? Offer me some trinket or something nifty in return, and they're yours.. I've got to get them out of my way. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From hiryu at transvirtual.com Fri May 26 01:27:13 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:27:13 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 04:30:34PM -0700, James Lockwood wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2000, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > > > >The question is, how do I manually change the ip on SunOS 4.*? > > ... > > > I did edit /etc/hosts, the system most not be booting anymore. > > > I got the idea that I had to edit a lot of files because you do for > > solaris, not because I'm linux-centric. ^_^ > > The procedure for changing your IP address is idential on SunOS 4.* and > all versions of Solaris. Simply change /etc/hosts. > > > If I had a sun with a working monitor, I wouldn't be asking these questions. Because then I'd have something to use for a serial terminal or I'd be able to use the monitor from that machine on the classic. Why not? > > -James > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From brt at osk.sema.se Fri May 26 01:49:22 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:49:22 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: Martin Frost wrote: > > I believe that not even the SS1000E can use the second megabyte. > The SC2000 has two independent XDBus which use one megabyte each, > but the SS1000E is just an SS1000 with the XDBus at 50MHz instead > of 40MHz. I may be wrong here, but I believe this is the case. I don't know about the first statement, haven't got a clue, but it sure sounds like it would be possible. You're right about the second statement though. Everything in the machine, including backplane and the odd-ball "SCSI-controller" on the front, is just 50MHz clocked instead of 40MHz. The SC2000E is done the same. > My SS1000E simply has eight normal 1Mb SM61s in. (If anyone wants > to send me eight SM81-2s, I'm quite happy to test them out.) ;) Feels like they'd cost me a smaller fortune. If I believe my memory right, there was an issue concerning 2MB e-cache and the Mbus on smaller machines, which made the SC2000E the only machine that these wonderful modules could work, with full 2MB e-cache. I don't know if I'm right about this one, but I'm almost certain I've read this somewhere... > On a related note, does anyone have a rack-mounting kit for a > SS1000 for sale/trade? Try yank some old x90 cabinets and use the rails that holds the cardcage up. Works like a charm, atleast for us. Although, we're going to build 10-12 more rails with holes underneath (where the "feet" are one the SS1000), to really tighten these into the cabinet. Remember to put enough ventilation in front-side of the cabinet (if you use the Sun Datacenter cabinet), cause it might build up some heat in there. If you look up the FEH, you can see a Sun Partnumber for a fan assembly that sits right in the front, to push fresh air into the cabinet. These was standard on the SPARCcluster 1000. (two SS1000 cross-connected with two SPARCstorage Array 100) /Regards, Bjorn From twmaster at earthlink.net Fri May 26 11:31:41 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:31:41 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SS1000 questions... Message-ID: > Martin Frost wrote: > > > > I believe that not even the SS1000E can use the second megabyte. > > The SC2000 has two independent XDBus which use one megabyte each, > > but the SS1000E is just an SS1000 with the XDBus at 50MHz instead > > of 40MHz. I may be wrong here, but I believe this is the case. > Well Pooh! I have 4 of the SM-81-2's that I cannot use as intended. Mike N From bobk at sinister.com Fri May 26 17:19:04 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] What drives will fit in ss5? Message-ID: Hi guys, I have an ss5 board sitting in an ss4 case, and I am wondering if the 18.2GB hitachi drives on hitechcafe.com will fit and work in this thing. They say the drives are 1.6" high. I'd try to measure the clearance but I haven't got a mounting bracket yet (anyone got one cheap?) damned yankee bob keyes From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sat May 27 18:29:18 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:29:18 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] What drives will fit in ss5? Message-ID: You need a caddy, and the caddy only accepts 1" drives. You can "hack-up" the caddy, but I would suggest instead springing for an external drive case instead... If yo go "external" you can look at full-height drives (that *no one* wants) at great prices! HTH, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobk" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 6:19 PM Subject: [SunRescue] What drives will fit in ss5? > Hi guys, > I have an ss5 board sitting in an ss4 case, and I am wondering if the > 18.2GB hitachi drives on hitechcafe.com will fit and work in this thing. > They say the drives are 1.6" high. I'd try to measure the clearance but I > haven't got a mounting bracket yet (anyone got one cheap?) > > damned yankee bob keyes > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Fri May 26 19:47:42 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:47:42 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] VT420 termcap/terminfo entries? Message-ID: Anyone have any links for a termcap or terminfo entry I could add for my VT420? I'm using VT220 emu now, but would like to use VT420. Also, does Solaris automatically choose from either /etc/termcap or /usr/lib/terminfo, or do I have to set it somewhere as to where to look? Thanks, Paul -- Paul Khoury Tech Support pkhoury3 at earthlink.net From volker at Illuminatus.MZ.Rhein-Main.DE Sat May 27 01:18:01 2000 From: volker at Illuminatus.MZ.Rhein-Main.DE (Volker Schmidt) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:18:01 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] VT420 termcap/terminfo entries? Message-ID: Hi! Quoting Paul Khoury - Tech Support (pkhoury3 at earthlink.net) [000526 17:47]: > Anyone have any links for a termcap or terminfo entry I could > add for my VT420? Most recent I know is inside the ncurses distribution. For years this was located on , but it seems moving. ftpsearch ist your friend. > I'm using VT220 emu now, but would like to use VT420. Also, > does Solaris automatically choose from either /etc/termcap or > /usr/lib/terminfo, or do I have to set it somewhere as to where > to look? Check /etc/inittab for a console entry. In the ttymon line might be a "-T"-parameter; change it as you like. Celeste Stokely at has very fine hints on consoles, ttys and modems on SUN's, plus a bag of nice scripts for handling the saf-, ttymon-machinery... HTH. regards, --volker -- Ticking away the moments that makes up a dull day | Pink You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way | Floyd Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town | (Time, Waiting for someone or something to show you the way | 1973) From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sun May 28 07:38:00 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:38:00 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BFC880.0800EA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I = am stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP addresses, = but not names. I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all = available Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and running, = suspend etc. I manually adjusted these values: Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: 192.168.1.32 tadpole ###.###.###.### nameserver ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: # /etc/resolv.conf domain bellatlantic.net nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values = it got from bellatlantic.net) nameserver ###.###.###.### Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file # /etc/defaultrouter 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, = names not available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can telnet/ping = valid IP addresses at will - but sun.com comes up as an unknown host... Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if = there is somewhere where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - but I can't = remember/find it documented. (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware = appears to be=20 functioning fine... Thanks in advance, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend = :^( Oh well) ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BFC880.0800EA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
    I just rebuilt my = SPARCBook 3GX=20 with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I am
stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access = the internet=20 using IP addresses, but
not names.
 
I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg = Recommended=20 Patch Cluster, and all available
Tadpole-specific tools - the = laptop runs fine,=20 cot CDE up and running, suspend etc.
 
I manually adjusted these = values:
 
    Added a host and two = name=20 servers to /etc/hosts:
 
       =20 192.168.1.32    tadpole
       =20 ###.###.###.###    nameserver
       =20 ###.###.###.###    nameserver2 (?) from = memory
 
    Created = /etc/resolv.conf with=20 the following:
 
        # = /etc/resolv.conf
        domain=20 bellatlantic.net
        = nameserver=20 ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it got from=20 bellatlantic.net)
        = nameserver=20 ###.###.###.###
 
    Then I created a=20 /etc/defaultrouter file
 
        # = /etc/defaultrouter
        = 192.168.1.1=20 (my DSL router IP)
 
As I said, I can access machine on my = local network=20 by IP (DHCP WinPCs, names not
available, no local nameserver to = resolve them),=20 and I can telnet/ping valid IP addresses
at will - but sun.com comes up as an = unknown=20 host...
 
Any ideas? I question the domain line = in=20 /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if there is somewhere
where I need to tell Solaris to use = DNS, then files=20 - but I can't remember/find it documented.
 
(BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be = found by=20 name, of course)
 
AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a = pure=20 Solaris issue, the hardware appears to be
functioning fine...
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ken
n2vip at bellatlantic.net<= /DIV>
(Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... = Wish it came=20 for the long weekend :^(  Oh well)
------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BFC880.0800EA30-- From mvergall at mail.double-barrel.be Sat May 27 08:08:02 2000 From: mvergall at mail.double-barrel.be (Michael C. Vergallen) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:08:02 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: You also need to add dns to the line hosts: files in nsswitch.conf. Then you should get it working. BTW what hd did you get in there ? I have a tadpole 3GX but would like to get a bigger disc for it. Michael --- On Sun, 28 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > Hello, > I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I am > stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP addresses, but > not names. > > I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all available > Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and running, suspend etc. > > I manually adjusted these values: > > Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: > > 192.168.1.32 tadpole > ###.###.###.### nameserver > ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory > > Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: > > # /etc/resolv.conf > domain bellatlantic.net > nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it got from bellatlantic.net) > nameserver ###.###.###.### > > Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file > > # /etc/defaultrouter > 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) > > As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, names not > available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can telnet/ping valid IP addresses > at will - but sun.com comes up as an unknown host... > > Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if there is somewhere > where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - but I can't remember/find it documented. > > (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) > > AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware appears to be > functioning fine... > > Thanks in advance, > > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend :^( Oh well) > From paul at partitura.com Sat May 27 09:11:53 2000 From: paul at partitura.com (Paul Phillips) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:11:53 -0600 Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: Ken - Did you edit /etc/nsswitch.conf so it will use dns? If not, you must change the line that reads hosts: files to hosts: files dns Reboot, then it should work. Good luck. Paul Phillips --On Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:38 AM -0400 Ken Hansen wrote: > > Hello, > I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I > am stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP > addresses, but not names. > > I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all > available Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and > running, suspend etc. > > I manually adjusted these values: > > Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: > > 192.168.1.32 tadpole > ###.###.###.### nameserver > ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory > > Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: > > # /etc/resolv.conf > domain bellatlantic.net > nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it > got from bellatlantic.net) nameserver ###.###.###.### > > Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file > > # /etc/defaultrouter > 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) > > As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, > names not available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can > telnet/ping valid IP addresses at will - but sun.com comes up as an > unknown host... > > Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if > there is somewhere where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - > but I can't remember/find it documented. > > (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) > > AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware > appears to be functioning fine... > > Thanks in advance, > > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend > :^( Oh well) ___________________________________________________ Paul Phillips Director of Orchestral Activities, Meadows School of the Arts Southern Methodist University "You must sing every note you play, sing even through the rests!" Arturo Toscanini From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sun May 28 22:32:32 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:32:32 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: I ordered the 6.4 GIg HD w/IDE->SCSI adapter for $400 from one of the suppliers listed at Hugos SPARCBook FAQ. Pricey, but I needed an adapter and this got the deal done quickly. Very happy with the upgrade so far - I do not regret it at all (I also just bought 2x32 Meg SIMMs at a local computer show - took my SPARCbook with me, tested on the spot, cost about $100). With 64 M RAM and 6.4G HD, this is a nice little unit (3GX unit). Thanks for the pointer - my laptop is powering up as I write... Ken Hansen n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... > You also need to add dns to the line hosts: files in nsswitch.conf. > > Then you should get it working. > BTW what hd did you get in there ? I have a tadpole 3GX but would like to > get a bigger disc for it. > > > Michael > --- > > On Sun, 28 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > Hello, > > I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I am > > stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP addresses, but > > not names. > > > > I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all available > > Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and running, suspend etc. > > > > I manually adjusted these values: > > > > Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: > > > > 192.168.1.32 tadpole > > ###.###.###.### nameserver > > ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory > > > > Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: > > > > # /etc/resolv.conf > > domain bellatlantic.net > > nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it got from bellatlantic.net) > > nameserver ###.###.###.### > > > > Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file > > > > # /etc/defaultrouter > > 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) > > > > As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, names not > > available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can telnet/ping valid IP addresses > > at will - but sun.com comes up as an unknown host... > > > > Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if there is somewhere > > where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - but I can't remember/find it documented. > > > > (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) > > > > AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware appears to be > > functioning fine... > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Ken > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend :^( Oh well) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Sun May 28 22:56:38 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:56:38 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... Message-ID: Yipee! It worked - Thanks one and all (actually Michael & Paul) - now my Tadpole laptop (hostname tadpole - it just seemed right) can access the wealth that is the Internet, on to download a decent browser (Hot Java is only *so* good, and Netscape 3.X is not worth the effort to install from CD in solaris 2.6 distrobution... Thanks again, Ken n2vip at njcc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] So I'm a dope - I can't figure out what I'm missing here... > You also need to add dns to the line hosts: files in nsswitch.conf. > > Then you should get it working. > BTW what hd did you get in there ? I have a tadpole 3GX but would like to > get a bigger disc for it. > > > Michael > --- > > On Sun, 28 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > Hello, > > I just rebuilt my SPARCBook 3GX with a new larger HD (6.4 Gig) and I am > > stuck on a Solaris issue: I can access the internet using IP addresses, but > > not names. > > > > I installed Solaris 2.6, the 40+ Meg Recommended Patch Cluster, and all available > > Tadpole-specific tools - the laptop runs fine, cot CDE up and running, suspend etc. > > > > I manually adjusted these values: > > > > Added a host and two name servers to /etc/hosts: > > > > 192.168.1.32 tadpole > > ###.###.###.### nameserver > > ###.###.###.### nameserver2 (?) from memory > > > > Created /etc/resolv.conf with the following: > > > > # /etc/resolv.conf > > domain bellatlantic.net > > nameserver ###.###.###.### (as supplied by DSL router - values it got from bellatlantic.net) > > nameserver ###.###.###.### > > > > Then I created a /etc/defaultrouter file > > > > # /etc/defaultrouter > > 192.168.1.1 (my DSL router IP) > > > > As I said, I can access machine on my local network by IP (DHCP WinPCs, names not > > available, no local nameserver to resolve them), and I can telnet/ping valid IP addresses > > at will - but sun.com comes up as an unknown host... > > > > Any ideas? I question the domain line in /etc/resolv.conf and wonder if there is somewhere > > where I need to tell Solaris to use DNS, then files - but I can't remember/find it documented. > > > > (BTW, hosts added to /etc/hosts can be found by name, of course) > > > > AFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) this is a pure Solaris issue, the hardware appears to be > > functioning fine... > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Ken > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > (Still eagerly awaiting my Ultra 2... Wish it came for the long weekend :^( Oh well) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From ido at physics.utexas.edu Sun May 28 07:30:15 2000 From: ido at physics.utexas.edu (Ido Dubrawsky) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 07:30:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Dave McGuire wrote: > On May 24, Cameron Berkenpas wrote: > It really has little or nothing to do with anything Sun-specific. > Give this a try: > > I assume you've got a working machine with a comm program on it, or > a real terminal. Get a serial cable plus whatever gender-benders > you'll need to connect the two serially. If there's a keyboard > plugged into the SPARCstation, unplug it. Power it up. If you > don't see the bootup messages, you'll need to insert a null modem > into the serial line. > At work, we use the Cisco male 25-PIN connector to plug into the Sun's ttyA and on my laptop I hook in the Cisco 9-PIN connector (these connectors come with every router and other piece of network equipment I've gotten from Cisco). You then just use a standard CAT-5 ethernet cable between the two and voila! Instant TTY console on your Sun box... For terminal software, I use minicom (you can even get it to work on a Solaris box and it's great...) Ido -- Ido Dubrawsky Team Lead, UNIX and Network Systems E-mail: ido at globeset.com Infrastructure Systems/Facilties Globeset.com Austin, TX From hiryu at transvirtual.com Sun May 28 17:03:58 2000 From: hiryu at transvirtual.com (Cameron Berkenpas) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:03:58 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS 4.* Message-ID: THanks, I'll see if I have that stuff at work so I can give it a try. -Cameron From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Sun May 28 20:58:56 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:58:56 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] memory addressing in solaris Message-ID: Does anyone know how much memory Solaris can allot to each process, considering you have the most memory a machine could support (in the GB range)? From james at foonly.com Sun May 28 21:27:10 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] memory addressing in solaris Message-ID: On Sun, 28 May 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > Does anyone know how much memory Solaris can allot to each process, > considering > you have the most memory a machine could support (in the GB range)? In 64-bit mode on an UltraSparc, as much memory as the machine physically has (no Sun currently planned has anywhere near 2^64 bytes). In 32-bit mode it varies from 3GB to 4GB, depending on the kernel arch and the OS version. I could quote from memory but I'd probably be wrong, and the differences are minor. -James From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Sun May 28 21:40:35 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:40:35 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] memory addressing in solaris Message-ID: At 07:27 PM 5/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >On Sun, 28 May 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > >> Does anyone know how much memory Solaris can allot to each process, >> considering >> you have the most memory a machine could support (in the GB range)? > >In 64-bit mode on an UltraSparc, as much memory as the machine physically >has (no Sun currently planned has anywhere near 2^64 bytes). > Which is how many TB? =) >In 32-bit mode it varies from 3GB to 4GB, depending on the kernel arch and >the OS version. I could quote from memory but I'd probably be wrong, and >the differences are minor. > Ahh. Just was wondering to compare with a coworkers' comment about how much NT can address. Paul From james at foonly.com Sun May 28 21:58:21 2000 From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] memory addressing in solaris Message-ID: On Sun, 28 May 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote: > >In 64-bit mode on an UltraSparc, as much memory as the machine physically > >has (no Sun currently planned has anywhere near 2^64 bytes). > > > Which is how many TB? =) 16384. I think the real "limit" right now is 8192TB, though. > >In 32-bit mode it varies from 3GB to 4GB, depending on the kernel arch and > >the OS version. I could quote from memory but I'd probably be wrong, and > >the differences are minor. > > > Ahh. Just was wondering to compare with a coworkers' comment about how > much NT can address. Guesstimates from memory (may well be wrong!): 32-bit app running under 64-bit kernel: 4GB 32-bit app running under 32-bit sun4u: 3.95GB 32-bit app running under 32-bit sun4m: 3.75GB Solaris 2.5 or older: 3GB -James From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 29 00:05:53 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:05:53 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that up..) Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Tue May 30 00:17:29 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:17:29 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: I am I don't and I welcome you to the fold! WHat class license are you going for - I have a no-code Tech, and I may upgrade someday soon, but no real rush at this point. I would like to do voice on HF (1 -> 30 Mhz), but too lazy to study Morse and my wife would balk a any serious antennas for anything under 2 meters! Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradford" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:05 AM Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) > > Bill > > -- > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | > +--------------------+-------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From brt at osk.sema.se Mon May 29 01:42:21 2000 From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:42:21 +0200 Subject: [SunRescue] What drives will fit in ss5? Message-ID: bobk wrote: > > Hi guys, > I have an ss5 board sitting in an ss4 case, and I am wondering if the > 18.2GB hitachi drives on hitechcafe.com will fit and work in this thing. > They say the drives are 1.6" high. I'd try to measure the clearance but I > haven't got a mounting bracket yet (anyone got one cheap?) Only 1" high drives will fit into your SS5. Incase you'd be willing to sacrifice the second harddrive connector, you can remove the SCA-connector on that backplane, along with all pins that might be sticking out. Ofcourse you render the backplane worthless for dual-drive operation, but atleast you can run your 1.6" drive with a charm. Oh, and remove the handle on the mounting bracket. You will have a quite difficult time trying to fit it with a 1.6" drive. :-) /Regards, Bjorn From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon May 29 04:24:29 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 04:24:29 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 01:17:29AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > I am I don't and I welcome you to the fold! > WHat class license are you going for - I have a no-code Tech, and > I may upgrade someday soon, but no real rush at this point. I would > like to do voice on HF (1 -> 30 Mhz), but too lazy to study Morse > and my wife would balk a any serious antennas for anything under > 2 meters! > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net I'm going for the no-code Tech at first, then will get the code stuff out of the way in a month or two. Bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+ From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Mon May 29 04:31:55 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:31:55 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] more termcap questions Message-ID: If I want to copy over a new termcap file from a linux installation to solaris, is that possible? I tried doing so (making backups of the old file, of course) in /usr/share/lib, but when I tried specifiying my term as vt420, it didn't recognize it (and this termcap file has that entry). Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 29 13:05:07 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) > > Bill Hey, Bill.... contrats! Sorry, no equipment for sale, though, and all mine is 50 years old and more, so, few folks want to run that kind of gear. But, for sure, welcome aboard. ZUT OM DE NA4G/Bob UP From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Mon May 29 14:40:23 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Archive Tape Drive Jumpers for Sun3 toyz????? Message-ID: Does anyone have the correct jumpering for various tape drives of the Archive 2150S or the older QIC36+scsi interposer controller board types? I have the mt02 manual, but I need the jumper settings for the 2150S for use on sun3 vme crates, and the same for the QIC36 drives. There are 6 pins on the back of the QIC36 drives, and about 24 on the back of the 2150S scsi things. I am trying to get my sun 3/60's up, and what works with sunos does not work with NetBSD on the same settings. I am trying to figure out why. Thanks Bob From kris at hiwaay.net Mon May 29 22:19:45 2000 From: kris at hiwaay.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:19:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) No. ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." From ari.reen at nokia.com Mon May 29 23:58:09 2000 From: ari.reen at nokia.com (Ari Reen) Date: 30 May 2000 07:58:09 +0300 Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: Tervehdys EXT Bill Bradford writes: > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) > I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) Yes, No (it would be in OH-land anyway) and Welcome to the crowd 73 de OH2BBW From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 00:26:58 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:26:58 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] need/want ss20 RAM (1 DIMM) - also, a few odd bits for sale/trade... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFCA9F.5061F0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, As I read last week the Ultra 2 I am expecting uses SS20-style RAM, and when I checked out my SS10, I found 3 SS20-spec (50 ns) RAM DIMMs installed. If I can find one more stick, I'll have the four I need to = add another 256 Meg RAM to my new machine... I would like to either buy (for low price) a 64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 = spec. DIMM, or, if possible, trade something I have for it. I can offer an = SCSI/Ethernet adapter (Fast SCSI/10 Mb/s Ethernet) in exchange if that would make you happy... = I have other bits as well, so if there is some older bit you could use in = exchange for your SS20 spec. 64 Meg RAM DIMM, please email me privately. The Etherent/SCSI card is worth about $75 or so, right? If my = estimates are way off, I reserve the right to pull my trade offer (Hey, it's 1:20 am = local time and I went without caffine *nearly* all day)... Thanks in advance, Ken Hansen n2vip at bellatlantic.net PS: Anyone interested in a 4 port 10 Mb/s SBUS card, as well as a Sun = HSI/S set (card, cable, paddle in new condition) please let me know. I'd probably = be willing to trade either for a full 256 Meg bank (4x64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 RAM)... Oh, = and I could use an Ultra 2 drive tray/holder (Memoryx has them for $23.95 + S/H,any = cheaper?). Thanks again, Ken PPS: Finally, I have two 1/4" tapes, SunOS 4.1.1 (tape 1 of 2 and tape 2 = of 2) - any offers? These are untested but look nearly unused... ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFCA9F.5061F0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
    As I read last week = the Ultra 2=20 I am expecting uses SS20-style RAM,
and when I checked out my SS10, I found = 3 SS20-spec=20 (50 ns) RAM DIMMs
installed. If I can find one more = stick, I'll have=20 the four I need to add another
256 Meg RAM to my new = machine...
 
    I would like to = either buy (for=20 low price) a 64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 spec. DIMM,
or, if possible, trade something I have = for it. I=20 can offer an SCSI/Ethernet adapter
(Fast SCSI/10 Mb/s Ethernet) in = exchange if that=20 would make you happy... I have
other bits as well, so if there is some = older bit=20 you could use in exchange for your
SS20 spec. 64 Meg RAM DIMM, please = email me=20 privately.
 
    The Etherent/SCSI = card is worth=20 about $75 or so, right? If my estimates are
way off, I reserve the right to pull my = trade offer=20 (Hey, it's 1:20 am local time and
I went without caffine *nearly* all=20 day)...
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ken Hansen
n2vip at bellatlantic.net<= /DIV>
 
PS: Anyone interested in a 4 port 10 = Mb/s SBUS=20 card, as well as a  Sun HSI/S set
(card, cable, paddle in new condition) = please let=20 me know. I'd probably be willing to
trade either for a full 256 Meg bank = (4x64 Meg=20 SS20/Ultra 2 RAM)... Oh, and I could
use an Ultra 2 drive tray/holder = (Memoryx has them=20 for $23.95 + S/H,any cheaper?).
Thanks again, Ken
 
PPS: Finally, I have two 1/4" tapes, = SunOS 4.1.1=20 (tape 1 of 2 and tape 2 of 2) - any
offers? These are untested but look = nearly=20 unused...
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFCA9F.5061F0F0-- From twmaster at earthlink.net Tue May 30 02:53:49 2000 From: twmaster at earthlink.net (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 03:53:49 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: SSA 100, DT1000, SS1000, SS670MP, SS630MP Message-ID: Hi All, The quest for a new place to live goes on.......So, I am still trying to clean out a bit. Here is the list of "heavy" stuff that needs to leave: I have a fairly nice Sparc Storage Array for sale, I think it is a late model 100. It is the same chassis as an SS1000, has room for 30 1" SCA drives, complete unit, no drives 9 sleds. Color is Slate. No controller card or cable. $450.00 Disk Tower 1000, looks like an SS1000, the predecessor of the SSA. Holds 4 trays of 4 1" SCA drives. Complete unit includes 4 trays, no sleds. Uses same sled as SSA. A little scuffed up but should clean up nicely. $200.00 SS1000, 2 SM-51, 128 MB (16x8), CD-ROM Latest PROM kit. A bit scuffed up but works like a champ. $700.00 OBO SS630MP & SS670MP, well I can either fit this box out the way you want or I can give you the chassis if you haul it away. If you want it loaded, we can talk. Don't even ask me to ship these. Honestly I would prefer somebody to come out here and get these items rather than the hassles of shipping these heavy mutha's. :) I offer three words to the Sun lovers out there 1. Road-trip 2. U-Haul 3. Money!! Thanks for looking, Mike N www.twmaster.com From hyena at interport.net Tue May 30 06:55:42 2000 From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 04:55:42 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: SSA 100, DT1000, SS1000, SS670MP, SS630MP Message-ID: Unless Im missing something, you fail to list your location ... Chris Mike Nicewonger wrote: > > Hi All, > > The quest for a new place to live goes on.......So, I am still trying to > clean out a bit. Here is the list of "heavy" stuff that needs to leave: > > I have a fairly nice Sparc Storage Array for sale, I think it is a late > model 100. It is the same chassis as an SS1000, has room for 30 1" SCA > drives, complete unit, no drives 9 sleds. Color is Slate. No controller card > or cable. > > $450.00 > > Disk Tower 1000, looks like an SS1000, the predecessor of the SSA. Holds 4 > trays of 4 1" SCA drives. Complete unit includes 4 trays, no sleds. Uses > same sled as SSA. A little scuffed up but should clean up nicely. > > $200.00 > > SS1000, 2 SM-51, 128 MB (16x8), CD-ROM Latest PROM kit. A bit scuffed up but > works like a champ. > > $700.00 OBO > > SS630MP & SS670MP, well I can either fit this box out the way you want or I > can give you the chassis if you haul it away. If you want it loaded, we can > talk. Don't even ask me to ship these. > > Honestly I would prefer somebody to come out here and get these items rather > than the hassles of shipping these heavy mutha's. > > :) I offer three words to the Sun lovers out there > > 1. Road-trip > 2. U-Haul > 3. Money!! > > Thanks for looking, > > Mike N > www.twmaster.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From davis at skink.net Tue May 30 07:13:16 2000 From: davis at skink.net (John F. Davis) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:13:16 -0500 Subject: [SunRescue] need/want ss20 RAM (1 DIMM) - also, a few odd bits for sale/trade... Message-ID: On Wed, May 31, 2000 at 01:26:58AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > Hello all, > As I read last week the Ultra 2 I am expecting uses SS20-style RAM, > and when I checked out my SS10, I found 3 SS20-spec (50 ns) RAM DIMMs > installed. If I can find one more stick, I'll have the four I need to add another > 256 Meg RAM to my new machine... > > I would like to either buy (for low price) a 64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 spec. DIMM, > or, if possible, trade something I have for it. I can offer an SCSI/Ethernet adapter > (Fast SCSI/10 Mb/s Ethernet) in exchange if that would make you happy... I have > other bits as well, so if there is some older bit you could use in exchange for your > SS20 spec. 64 Meg RAM DIMM, please email me privately. > > The Etherent/SCSI card is worth about $75 or so, right? If my estimates are > way off, I reserve the right to pull my trade offer (Hey, it's 1:20 am local time and > I went without caffine *nearly* all day)... > > Thanks in advance, > > Ken Hansen > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > PS: Anyone interested in a 4 port 10 Mb/s SBUS card, as well as a Sun HSI/S set > (card, cable, paddle in new condition) please let me know. I'd probably be willing to > trade either for a full 256 Meg bank (4x64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 RAM)... Oh, and I could > use an Ultra 2 drive tray/holder (Memoryx has them for $23.95 + S/H,any cheaper?). > Thanks again, Ken > > PPS: Finally, I have two 1/4" tapes, SunOS 4.1.1 (tape 1 of 2 and tape 2 of 2) - any > offers? These are untested but look nearly unused... Hello Ken, I have two 32 meg simms for a sparc20. I don't know if they will work in a ultra or not. I do know that they only show up as 16Meg simms in my sparc 10. I would like to sell them. John From bobk at sinister.com Tue May 30 11:29:23 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: On Mon, 29 May 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody on either of these two lists an amateur radio operator? If so, got > any used equipment for sale? 8-) I'm finally getting my licenes in a couple > of weeks (was gonna do it in February, but a job switch messed all of that > up..) > Welcome to the fold bill! there's a lot of similarity between people on this list and the better type of ham radio operator. THat being said, I might have some equipment I can part with. I'll have to take a complete inventory and see what else might go, but I have an old heathkit crystal-controller 2 meter mobile that would be a good cheap way to start in 2m. I am considering selling my Heathkits, I have an HW-100 and HW-101, both solid, but old (the HW-100 was made in 1965!). In case you are unfamiliar with them, they do 80-10 SSB & CW, something like 100W output. If you are interested in packet, I might want to sell my old Kantronics KPC-9612. It would be great to see more sun guys in the radio scene. Traditionally, most of the ham software has been for ms-dos (for the past ten years. before that the C-64 was most popular). There's a lot of activity now in Linux, but it seems mostly x86 based. It would be great to take an old IPC and make it a packet BBS (this is one place the slowness of the serial ports on an IPC doesn't matter). Of course, I bet a lot of the linux software could be ported to sunos, netbsd, or whatever sun OS you are running. The linux kernel soundcard-modem stuff is really great, but I don't think there's any support for the Sun sound system in it. --bob (damned yankee) 73, N1YRK From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 30 11:41:11 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. Thanks Dan ----------------- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 11:39:58 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:39:58 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] need/want ss20 RAM (1 DIMM) - also, a few odd bits for sale/trade... Message-ID: My need is for an Ultra 2 that is expected to arrive any day, they RAM it uses is the same as the SS20 uses, and I am trying to make a complete set of 64 Meg DIMMs (I have three, need four total). Thanks anyway though - you should be able to get a decent price on eBay (or here) for them... Sorry, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John F. Davis" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [SunRescue] need/want ss20 RAM (1 DIMM) - also, a few odd bits for sale/trade... > On Wed, May 31, 2000 at 01:26:58AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > > Hello all, > > As I read last week the Ultra 2 I am expecting uses SS20-style RAM, > > and when I checked out my SS10, I found 3 SS20-spec (50 ns) RAM DIMMs > > installed. If I can find one more stick, I'll have the four I need to add another > > 256 Meg RAM to my new machine... > > > > I would like to either buy (for low price) a 64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 spec. DIMM, > > or, if possible, trade something I have for it. I can offer an SCSI/Ethernet adapter > > (Fast SCSI/10 Mb/s Ethernet) in exchange if that would make you happy... I have > > other bits as well, so if there is some older bit you could use in exchange for your > > SS20 spec. 64 Meg RAM DIMM, please email me privately. > > > > The Etherent/SCSI card is worth about $75 or so, right? If my estimates are > > way off, I reserve the right to pull my trade offer (Hey, it's 1:20 am local time and > > I went without caffine *nearly* all day)... > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Ken Hansen > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > > > PS: Anyone interested in a 4 port 10 Mb/s SBUS card, as well as a Sun HSI/S set > > (card, cable, paddle in new condition) please let me know. I'd probably be willing to > > trade either for a full 256 Meg bank (4x64 Meg SS20/Ultra 2 RAM)... Oh, and I could > > use an Ultra 2 drive tray/holder (Memoryx has them for $23.95 + S/H,any cheaper?). > > Thanks again, Ken > > > > PPS: Finally, I have two 1/4" tapes, SunOS 4.1.1 (tape 1 of 2 and tape 2 of 2) - any > > offers? These are untested but look nearly unused... > > > Hello Ken, > > I have two 32 meg simms for a sparc20. I don't know if they will work in a ultra or not. > I do know that they only show up as 16Meg simms in my sparc 10. > > I would like to sell them. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From bobk at sinister.com Tue May 30 11:48:54 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images Message-ID: Hi everyone, At work, I do security testing. I have to go review some bugs in some ANCIENT SunOS. I have a machine, I even have a tape drive, but no tapes. The standard was QIC-150, right? I had a rather outlandish idea of trying to write the tape images to a CD and installing from that. Does anyone know if this will work? -bob From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 11:56:56 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:56:56 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM for a PC)... Sorry, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > Thanks > > Dan > ----------------- > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed May 31 12:15:12 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:15:12 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images Message-ID: I'll repeat my note from early this morning: I have SunOS 4.1.1 Sun-4 SUNBIN and OPENWINDOWS Version 2 on 1/4" tape available Part number 700-2721-10 Rev. A available if anyone needs it. Two tapes , look to be in very good shape, but are untested. Dated 01-18-91. Available for something over postage ($3.20 Priority mail) - interested? Make me an offer... I wonder though if you can make a bootable CD-ROM from a tape image, but then again, Suns treat bootable CD-ROMs as tapes (IIRC)... Thanks, Ken n2vip at bellatlantic.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobk" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images > Hi everyone, > At work, I do security testing. I have to go review some bugs in some > ANCIENT SunOS. I have a machine, I even have a tape drive, but no tapes. > The standard was QIC-150, right? > > I had a rather outlandish idea of trying to write the tape images to a CD > and installing from that. Does anyone know if this will work? From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 30 12:56:24 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms are detected too big, too small is the usual issue. Have you tried booting with the 128/256's and running the memory checker that's built into the prom? Nick On Wed, 31 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi > board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you > need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many > Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) > but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM > for a PC)... > > Sorry, > > Ken > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM > Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > > > Thanks > > > > Dan > > ----------------- > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Tue May 30 13:23:05 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images Message-ID: > I'll repeat my note from early this morning: > > I have SunOS 4.1.1 Sun-4 SUNBIN and OPENWINDOWS Version 2 on > 1/4" tape available Part number 700-2721-10 Rev. A available if anyone > needs it. > Two tapes , look to be in very good shape, but are untested. Dated > 01-18-91. > > Available for something over postage ($3.20 Priority mail) - interested? > Make me an offer... > > I wonder though if you can make a bootable CD-ROM from a tape image, but > then again, Suns treat bootable CD-ROMs as tapes (IIRC)... Hi, Ken.... If noone is interested, I am interested. AFIK you cannot make a cd set from a tape set. The reason is that the tape and cd xdrtocs are different, the miniroot kernels are different, and there is a difference in the scripting internally, from what I can tell. (Does that sound like I tried that.....(:+{{...). You can make a later tape from an earlier tape using cd bits, provided you keep the original boot/kernel/miniroot/xdrtoc files, from the orignal tape and overlay the actual tarballs with the later cd stuff. That works. I had an old 4.1 tape that I upgraded to a minimal 4.1.3 boot tape, by using the 4.1.3 cd bits and the 4.1 boot bits. There may be some internal Sun way of doing it, but I have not seen it from the outside. Someone mentioned some scripts for that at one time, but I was never able to follow that up. ZUT OM DE NA4G/Bob UP > n2vip at bellatlantic.net Hey, it's that damn Yankee Bob Keys feller .....! (:+}}... I be da Suthern' a'mint julep a'sippin' Bob Keys... Different branch somewhere back in time...... > From: "bobk" > > > Hi everyone, > > At work, I do security testing. I have to go review some bugs in some > > ANCIENT SunOS. I have a machine, I even have a tape drive, but no tapes. > > The standard was QIC-150, right? QIC-60. > > I had a rather outlandish idea of trying to write the tape images to a CD > > and installing from that. Does anyone know if this will work? Nope.... From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Tue May 30 13:27:10 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: > Welcome to the fold bill! there's a lot of similarity between people > on this list and the better type of ham radio operator. Agreed! > --bob (damned yankee) > 73, > N1YRK Small World! Gee, even that Danged Yankee feller is a ham.....! ZUT OM DE NA4G/Bob UP (I be that Suthern a'mint julep a'sippin' feller ham wid da same moniker!) Now, back to boatanchor suntoyz.....(:+}}... Sorry, folks, couldn't resist.... From bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu Tue May 30 13:39:09 2000 From: bobkey at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] SunOS tape images Message-ID: > Hi everyone, > At work, I do security testing. I have to go review some bugs in some > ANCIENT SunOS. I have a machine, I even have a tape drive, but no tapes. > The standard was QIC-150, right? QIC 11 on the earliest (4 trackers) and QIC 24 (9 trackers, 60mb) on the later ones. I have yet to run across a sparc tape set on 150mb tapes. Anyone know if they exist? It might be neat to dredge up a sun4 set, before they go bellyup. The latest I have run across is 4.1, but I am assuming a 4.1.1 existed for sun4. My 4/260 originally had that on it, but I had to fall back to an old 4.1 tape when the HD's developed trouble. A script to do a 150mb tape exists in the sun3 archive, so you might be able to adapt that, provided you can dittle the xdrtoc files and come up with the right munix bits. There was a script to do that somewhere on the net, but I never got it to work correctly. > I had a rather outlandish idea of trying to write the tape images to a CD > and installing from that. Does anyone know if this will work? Won't work that I know of. Several things are different between them. The xdrtoc, the install scripts (I think), the boot loader, and maybe some other things (kernel?). I tried.... didn't work on the old suntoyz. You can upgrade a tape to a later set, by overlaying later bits onto the tape, in the correct sequence. The tape loaders don't care what gets loaded, just that they are in the right location, and the right type of file. Any others try this sort of thing? Bob From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 30 13:38:42 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: To answer your question yes I did run the memory checker.... and it reads all of the memory properly ( mixed or not ) in the ultra 5. it seems if I go into single user mode and the comp seems to run fine but if I go to the full boot process it gets a kernel panic about the time the login window appears ( I run solaris 8 ). Maybe I need to try a different OS? Or reinstall with the new ram in place so the kernel is awhere of the changes? On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms > are detected too big, too small is the usual issue. Have you tried > booting with the 128/256's and running the memory checker that's built > into the prom? > Nick > > On Wed, 31 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi > > board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you > > need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many > > Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) > > but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM > > for a PC)... > > > > Sorry, > > > > Ken > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM > > Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > > > > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > > > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > > > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > > > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > > > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > > > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > > > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > > > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > > > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > > > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > > > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > > > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > > > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > > > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > > > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > > > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Dan > > > ----------------- > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From kris at hiwaay.net Tue May 30 13:44:43 2000 From: kris at hiwaay.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: > No. I didn't mean this to sound terse; it's my favorite joke that I reply with: "I am not a ham." My .sig speaks differently though. :-) Anyone interested is DS-SS or FH-SS or any of the other SSes? (Spread Spectrum) ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." From mcguire at neurotica.com Tue May 30 13:56:14 2000 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: On May 30, Kris Kirby wrote: > interested is DS-SS or FH-SS or any of the other SSes? (Spread Spectrum) Me, definitely. I'm formerly KA2UZK (expired, about to re-test)...I've been experimenting with DSSS on the test bench on-and-off for about a year. It's absolutely fascinating. I've got a bunch of EFData SDM-100 satellite modems (RS-422 digital I/O, 70MHz IF I/O, 224kbps, QPSK) and I've been experimenting with a "spreader widget" box on which you program a PN sequence, squirt 70MHz IF through it, and get DSSS output on the other side. It works ok but I've yet to come up with a good, reliable synchronization scheme. -Dave McGuire From james at quickdog.com Tue May 30 13:54:14 2000 From: james at quickdog.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms The AXi and the U5/10 do not use the same memory. I have tried this before with similar results. -James From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 30 14:22:31 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Hmmm... that's really odd. Just for kicks did you try boot -r? I've upgraded several systems here to 1gig or more when they started as low as 128 and I've had no problems (U10's and E450 clones mostly). Nick On Tue, 30 May 2000, Daniel Debow Southwick wrote: > To answer your question yes I did run the memory checker.... and it reads > all of the memory properly ( mixed or not ) in the ultra 5. it seems if I > go into single user mode and the comp seems to run fine but if I go to the > full boot process it gets a kernel panic about the time the login window > appears ( I run solaris 8 ). Maybe I need to try a different OS? Or > reinstall with the new ram in place so the kernel is awhere of the > changes? > > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms > > are detected too big, too small is the usual issue. Have you tried > > booting with the 128/256's and running the memory checker that's built > > into the prom? > > Nick > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > > Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi > > > board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you > > > need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many > > > Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) > > > but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM > > > for a PC)... > > > > > > Sorry, > > > > > > Ken > > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM > > > Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > > > > > > > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > > > > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > > > > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > > > > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > > > > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > > > > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > > > > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > > > > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > > > > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > > > > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > > > > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > > > > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > > > > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > > > > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > > > > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > > > > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > ----------------- > > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 30 14:43:15 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? Nick On Tue, 30 May 2000, James Lockwood wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms > > The AXi and the U5/10 do not use the same memory. I have tried this > before with similar results. > > -James > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From twmaster at twmaster.com Tue May 30 14:31:57 2000 From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:31:57 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] FS: SSA 100, DT1000, SS1000, SS670MP, SS630MP Message-ID: The above mentioned goodies are in Edgewood, Maryland. (30 Mins north of Baltimore) Mike N From twmaster at twmaster.com Tue May 30 14:33:11 2000 From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:33:11 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] (OT) Please all make note of my new e-mail address Message-ID: It is twmaster at twmaster.com Thanks, Mike N www.twmaster.com From james at quickdog.com Tue May 30 14:39:07 2000 From: james at quickdog.com (James Lockwood) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc > dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms > that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? The U5/U10 use identical DIMMs (they use the same motherboard, after all). The AXi does not. -James From bobk at sinister.com Tue May 30 14:43:58 2000 From: bobk at sinister.com (bobk) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] any ham radio operators? Message-ID: On Tue, 30 May 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: > > No. > > I didn't mean this to sound terse; it's my favorite joke that I reply > with: "I am not a ham." My .sig speaks differently though. :-) Anyone > interested is DS-SS or FH-SS or any of the other SSes? (Spread Spectrum) Yes, I am. I have been for a while but lack the test equipment to build my own. I have played around with the Wavelan stuff for 915 Mhz, but it doesn't work too well. It looks as though the newer proxim symphony cards are a better bet. I've been waiting for tapr.org to come out with their spread spectrum device for quite some time now. As far as techie stuff for SS goes - anyone thought of using a GPS device for synchronization? They have that very accurate clock. I don't know too much about GPS but its something that occured to me. I've got a radio page on http://sinister.com/radio and look at http://bowsig.am as well. -bob N1YRK (sound like new york, doesn't it?) From nick at ns.snowman.net Tue May 30 15:22:42 2000 From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: "System Memory Memory Type DRAM, 168-pin DIMMs, EDO; Error checking and correcting (ECC) Min 16MB Max 1GB Voltage 3.3V Access 60ns Number of Sockets 8" Am I wrong about U5/U10's? I could of sworn that they too use edo ecc dimms? Nick On Tue, 30 May 2000, James Lockwood wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc > > dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms > > that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? > > The U5/U10 use identical DIMMs (they use the same motherboard, after all). > The AXi does not. > > -James > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue May 30 15:03:08 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:03:08 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: nick at ns.snowman.net [mailto:nick at ns.snowman.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:43 PM > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc > dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms > that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? The Ultra 5 and 10 use the same memory. The memory that the AXi uses is NOT the same as the memory that's used in the Ultra5/10. Greg > Nick > > On Tue, 30 May 2000, James Lockwood wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues > where simms/dimms > > > > The AXi and the U5/10 do not use the same memory. I have tried this > > before with similar results. > > > > -James From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 30 15:40:13 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Yep in fact that was the first thing I did! ( told you this was a good one ) On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > Hmmm... that's really odd. Just for kicks did you try boot -r? I've > upgraded several systems here to 1gig or more when they started as low as > 128 and I've had no problems (U10's and E450 clones mostly). > Nick > > On Tue, 30 May 2000, Daniel Debow Southwick wrote: > > > To answer your question yes I did run the memory checker.... and it reads > > all of the memory properly ( mixed or not ) in the ultra 5. it seems if I > > go into single user mode and the comp seems to run fine but if I go to the > > full boot process it gets a kernel panic about the time the login window > > appears ( I run solaris 8 ). Maybe I need to try a different OS? Or > > reinstall with the new ram in place so the kernel is awhere of the > > changes? > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues where simms/dimms > > > are detected too big, too small is the usual issue. Have you tried > > > booting with the 128/256's and running the memory checker that's built > > > into the prom? > > > Nick > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > > > > Ultra 5's use odd memory (ECC EDO IIRC), not sure about the AXi > > > > board you pulled them from. Unfortunately, the ECC EDO RAM you > > > > need was only ever used in one or two SPARCS (obvious) and many > > > > Pentium Pro servers. The RAM is not too hard to find (see memoryx.com) > > > > but it does get rather expensive (est. $1.50 - $2/Meg vs. < $1 for SDRAM > > > > for a PC)... > > > > > > > > Sorry, > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > n2vip at bellatlantic.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Daniel Debow Southwick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:41 PM > > > > Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok here's a good one, I've never bumped into this one. I had 4 128MB > > > > > 168pin dimms that came off of a AXi Ultra sparc mainboard all the exact > > > > > same. I attempted to replace the dimms currenly in my ultra 5 ( 2x 64MB ) > > > > > with the ones from the AXi mainboard. Here's where it gets wierd. I place > > > > > all 4 if the 128MB dimms into the proper slots ( or I assume ) the 2 64MB > > > > > dimms are removed. The boot prom reads that I have 1024MB of ram. At > > > > > first I was quite happy that the dimms were incorrectly labeled, and I > > > > > now had a GB of memory. But behold I get kernel panics as soon as the > > > > > login window appears ( sometimes even before then ). I brought back the > > > > > memory to the AXi board and they register as 128 meg dimms not 256 as my > > > > > ultra 5 reads them. I've tested them and there appears to not be any flaws > > > > > in the dimms. Is there a incompatiblity issue here? ??? The dimms I've > > > > > removed are 60ns and the ones I'm putting in are 60ns. I'd also like to > > > > > know if a PROM update might help. I can't remember my prom code so that > > > > > doesn't help much. But if you can think of something it would be a great > > > > > help. I'd just love to get this thing working with 512MB of ram. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > I read Dilbert daily, often understanding the humor > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From southwick at gibralter.net Tue May 30 15:46:04 2000 From: southwick at gibralter.net (Daniel Debow Southwick) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues Message-ID: Ok let's try this. Anyone want to trade? 4 128MB ecc edo dimms from a SUN AXi mainboard for 4 128MB ecc edo dimms for a U5? On Tue, 30 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nick at ns.snowman.net [mailto:nick at ns.snowman.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:43 PM > > To: rescue at sunhelp.org > > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 5 Mem issues > > > > > > What's the difference? To the best of my knowledge the 128meg edo ecc > > dimms that I use in my U10's are identical to the 128meg edo ecc dimms > > that I use in the U5's. Am I missing something? > > The Ultra 5 and 10 use the same memory. The memory that the AXi uses is NOT > the same as the memory that's used in the Ultra5/10. > Greg > > > Nick > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000, James Lockwood wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 30 May 2000 nick at ns.snowman.net wrote: > > > > > > > The AXi uses the same memory. I've never seen issues > > where simms/dimms > > > > > > The AXi and the U5/10 do not use the same memory. I have tried this > > > before with similar results. > > > > > > -James > _______________________________________________ > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue > From pkhoury3 at earthlink.net Tue May 30 21:12:52 2000 From: pkhoury3 at earthlink.net (Paul Khoury - Tech Support) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:12:52 -0700 Subject: [SunRescue] Certification Message-ID: I'm seriously thinking of taking the test for Sun Solaris Admin I test. Would I need Sun's expensive courses, or not really? I'm pretty familiar with most of the course objectives they present, but is it required? Also, how much does it cost to take the test? They're administered at Sylvan Prometric, right? Thanks, Paul From tom at nipltd.com Wed May 31 03:33:28 2000 From: tom at nipltd.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:33:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SunRescue] Certification Message-ID: I took the tests recently for a laugh. In the UK, they worked out at 150 each test (Admin I and Admin II) - this includes nice UK things like VAT. I've been adminning Sun boxen for about 4 years now - I was mostly familiar with the test objectives, but like all things, there were objectives for the test that I had never dealt with where I work. No revision, no prep, showed up for the exams, passed Admin I, and failed Admin II (by 2 questions! :-) So I'll probably get around to re-doing Admin II, just to get the Solaris CNA cert. Since then I picked up a book from Exam Cram that covers the Solaris 7 CNA cert - can't remember the title, but dig through their web site or search your favourite online book seller. It just covers the exam, but I've found it a useful reference for things I haven't come across yet. YMMV, but I don't think you need to do the courses at all. As long as you have a decent grounding in the version of Solaris you're interested in. It's all good fun :-) It's not like it'll make you a better sysadmin or anything, but it might open your eyes to some stuff that's useful, that you never came across before - and it's always nice to have something to wave under your bosses nose to impress him into granting that pay rise :-) :-) Cheers, TOM >I'm seriously thinking of taking the test for Sun Solaris Admin I test. >Would I need Sun's expensive courses, or not really? >I'm pretty familiar with most of the course objectives they >present, but is it required? > >Also, how much does it cost to take the test? They're administered >at Sylvan Prometric, right? -- Tom Kranz - tom at nipltd.com Systems Administrator, New Information Paradigms Ltd. My opinions are my own, not NIP's, and not my cat's. From apotter at icsa.net Wed May 31 08:59:45 2000 From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:59:45 -0400 Subject: [SunRescue] Certification Message-ID: Before you throw money away, check out brainbench.com. Online, adaptive testing which is free (for now). FWIW, my transcript # is 344576. AL